S/O: I like Joel Osteen. Change my mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LOL
1. He pushed for Churches opening in a pandemic while sending emails saying he only "wants Church so donations do not stop" Yes that line is real.
2. During hurricane he literally turned people away. FACT.
3. He owns how many luxury cars over $100,000 how many homes? How much is in his bank account?
4. His financials he doesn't donate to the Church
5. He got a ridiculous amount of PPE loans why?
6. He's a criminal to the max, under the guise of Christianity.
7. I do not care that he makes a living I care that he is a liar and false god....
8. He is a sub human period....
9. He or his minions have not helped anyone in the community. he's too busy getting his nails done..

Easy OP but I know you will say he's amazing LOL..

I did not see this email about Church so donations don’t stop... is there a link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

Okay. I'll ask you for a third time. What do you think about the church taking 4 million in PPP? Can you defend that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

"Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God.
Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.
Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you, and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.

But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort."

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of the needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God."

"Do not store up for yourself treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in an steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

Yup. Anyone who thinks prosperity gospel is consistent with Christ's teaching is lying to themselves. Jesus was pretty clear on that.

I respect the hustle because Osteen's done very well for himself, but man of God he is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

Okay. I'll ask you for a third time. What do you think about the church taking 4 million in PPP? Can you defend that?

What's the problem with that? I'm so confused...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

I just like to see what kind of pretzels people twist into to justify supporting evangelical scammers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

Okay. I'll ask you for a third time. What do you think about the church taking 4 million in PPP? Can you defend that?

What's the problem with that? I'm so confused...

Are you really confused? Come on or you cannot be the simple. I hate this game playing. Think about the restaurants and small businesses that have could be used 4 million dollars. Not a self-sustaining mega church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He convinces elderly people on minimal fixed incomes that giving as much of their money as they can to him is the godly thing to do (“faithful support”). He lives in a massive mansion and his net worth is in the tens of millions. If you can’t see how this is problematic, no one can really help you.

All churches ask for donations, and all churches have elderly and poor congregants. Again, this seems like you have a problem with Christian institutions in general.

You don’t see the difference between a church that requests donations for the good of the poor or furtherance of a humanitarian based mission and one that serves to make a leader filthy rich?

[Anonymous]

https://halfwaypost.com/2020/03/19/joel-osteen-if-jesus-wanted-me-to-share-my-wealth-he-wouldnt-have-let-me-accumulate-40-million/

“Look, I view my Lakewood Church as my flock, and I look after my flock like a shepherd would his sheep,” explained Osteen. “But the flock of sheep also provides the shepherd with very valuable wool that he then sells to support himself and pay the mortgage of a mansion. So when I ask for money donations, I am merely asking my sheep for their wool. And maybe their kids’ college funds. What’s wrong with that? And besides, my church knows I’m sincere. They come to me for advice on how to be rich like me, and I help them plant their seeds for success by taking their seeds, which are donations to my church or purchases of my books, and then burying those seeds into my bank account to blossom. But they are happy to give! They know I’m 100% authentic, and that I care about them. And though they may be my sheep, they’re looking after me, too. They don’t want me to get coronavirus, and neither do I. Which is why, in this trying time, it is especially imperative that I continue to get cash money donations.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

Okay. I'll ask you for a third time. What do you think about the church taking 4 million in PPP? Can you defend that?

What's the problem with that? I'm so confused...

Are you really confused? Come on or you cannot be the simple. I hate this game playing. Think about the restaurants and small businesses that have could be used 4 million dollars. Not a self-sustaining mega church.

Okay... and this is a church helping tens of millions around the world. IMO that's pretty important

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

Okay. I'll ask you for a third time. What do you think about the church taking 4 million in PPP? Can you defend that?

What's the problem with that? I'm so confused...

Are you really confused? Come on or you cannot be the simple. I hate this game playing. Think about the restaurants and small businesses that have could be used 4 million dollars. Not a self-sustaining mega church.

Okay... and this is a church helping tens of millions around the world. IMO that's pretty important

And they could have helped so many more if JO wasn't feathering his nest with millions of dollars. How can you go to sleep in a mansion knowing that so many of God's people, God's children, are suffering without a home? Honestly, it is unfathomable to me that people don't see this, but here we are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear you don't want your mind changed, so why start this stupid thread

NP. Aka your insults and rudeness didn't work, so now you're mad. Yawn

Okay. I'll ask you for a third time. What do you think about the church taking 4 million in PPP? Can you defend that?

What's the problem with that? I'm so confused...

Are you really confused? Come on or you cannot be the simple. I hate this game playing. Think about the restaurants and small businesses that have could be used 4 million dollars. Not a self-sustaining mega church.

Okay... and this is a church helping tens of millions around the world. IMO that's pretty important

And they could have helped so many more if JO wasn't feathering his nest with millions of dollars. How can you go to sleep in a mansion knowing that so many of God's people, God's children, are suffering without a home? Honestly, it is unfathomable to me that people don't see this, but here we are.

Well, he doesnt take any money from the church, so you're wrong. Maybe get your facts straight before spouting your self righteous nonsense?

[Anonymous]

I find him very inspirational. Is it wrong that I watch him almost every Sunday as I get ready to go to Mass?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://halfwaypost.com/2020/03/19/joel-osteen-if-jesus-wanted-me-to-share-my-wealth-he-wouldnt-have-let-me-accumulate-40-million/

“Look, I view my Lakewood Church as my flock, and I look after my flock like a shepherd would his sheep,” explained Osteen. “But the flock of sheep also provides the shepherd with very valuable wool that he then sells to support himself and pay the mortgage of a mansion. So when I ask for money donations, I am merely asking my sheep for their wool. And maybe their kids’ college funds. What’s wrong with that? And besides, my church knows I’m sincere. They come to me for advice on how to be rich like me, and I help them plant their seeds for success by taking their seeds, which are donations to my church or purchases of my books, and then burying those seeds into my bank account to blossom. But they are happy to give! They know I’m 100% authentic, and that I care about them. And though they may be my sheep, they’re looking after me, too. They don’t want me to get coronavirus, and neither do I. Which is why, in this trying time, it is especially imperative that I continue to get cash money donations.”

That’s satire. But not off the mark.

[Anonymous]

prosperity gospel seems like an easy way to blame poor people for being poor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:prosperity gospel seems like an easy way to blame poor people for being poor

An easy way to make money off of the ignorant, rich or poor.