S/O: I like Joel Osteen. Change my mind.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On top of the hurricane debacle where a mattress salesman was infinitely more Christ-like to fellow Houston citizens, Osteen drives a $325K Ferrari, but his church received $4M in PPP loans.

Tax dollars for a church that doesn’t pay taxes.

Yup- this is where people were fleeing. Do you think they cared if there were cots, water (HAH), etc?
The mattress guy opened up his warehouse and it wasn't a "proper shelter". He probably had to write off all those mattresses, but hey, he PAYS TAXES!

It doesn't matter if people here are convinced. All of Houston saw it with their own eyes.

Now post the picture of Lakewood's flooded parking lot and atrium. But I guess that wouldnt paint the picture you like, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So there are some accusations being leveled against Osteen that he is a “prosperity gospel” preacher. I have watched quite a few of his sermons and none of them have that message as far as I can see.

If you have a link to any heretical messages by Ostend I would watch them. I think Osteen gets lumped in with prosperity gospel preachers because he does talk about faith leading to “prosperity” but he isn’t really talking about material wealth, he is talking about inner peace, peace in your relationships, being able to cope with crisis and solve problems through faith. And yes, a lot of people’s problems are material like job loss and being unable to pay the bills. These are the things people deal with in day to day life.

He's not lumped in with PG pastors, he's one of the most famous. The "increase" he promises his followers is explicitly about money, not "inner peace." https://www.ft.com/content/3990ce66-60a6-11e9-b285-3acd5d43599e

In his latest book, Next Level Thinking, Osteen writes: “If you do your part, God will do His. He will promote you; He’ll give you increase.” Osteen writes from experience. The television broadcasts on which Lakewood spends tens of millions each year provide a lucrative platform for his books and a rolling investment in his global brand. He is reported to have received a $13m advance on his second book, Become A Better You, which came out in 2007. He has written several since then.

When I asked Don Iloff, Lakewood’s spokesman and Joel’s brother-in-law, how Osteen’s riches squared with Christian theology, he laughed. “Poverty isn’t a qualification for heaven,” he said. “Look at how wealthy Abraham was.” Iloff pointed out that all royalties from Osteen’s books that are sold at Lakewood’s bookshop, or from its website, go to the church.

The bolded isn’t Osteen himself and is a response to criticism about Osteen’s personal wealth. “Increase” in the quote above isn’t necessarily material or money. I mean, I have listened to his sermons and they are not really about money. Money is a part of them because money struggles are a part of everyday life.

I don’t really judge him on his lifestyle because, quite frankly, you could judge a LOT of Christians on lavish their lives are, including myself. Where do you draw the line?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So there are some accusations being leveled against Osteen that he is a “prosperity gospel” preacher. I have watched quite a few of his sermons and none of them have that message as far as I can see.

If you have a link to any heretical messages by Ostend I would watch them. I think Osteen gets lumped in with prosperity gospel preachers because he does talk about faith leading to “prosperity” but he isn’t really talking about material wealth, he is talking about inner peace, peace in your relationships, being able to cope with crisis and solve problems through faith. And yes, a lot of people’s problems are material like job loss and being unable to pay the bills. These are the things people deal with in day to day life.

He's not lumped in with PG pastors, he's one of the most famous. The "increase" he promises his followers is explicitly about money, not "inner peace." https://www.ft.com/content/3990ce66-60a6-11e9-b285-3acd5d43599e

In his latest book, Next Level Thinking, Osteen writes: “If you do your part, God will do His. He will promote you; He’ll give you increase.” Osteen writes from experience. The television broadcasts on which Lakewood spends tens of millions each year provide a lucrative platform for his books and a rolling investment in his global brand. He is reported to have received a $13m advance on his second book, Become A Better You, which came out in 2007. He has written several since then.

When I asked Don Iloff, Lakewood’s spokesman and Joel’s brother-in-law, how Osteen’s riches squared with Christian theology, he laughed. “Poverty isn’t a qualification for heaven,” he said. “Look at how wealthy Abraham was.” Iloff pointed out that all royalties from Osteen’s books that are sold at Lakewood’s bookshop, or from its website, go to the church.

The bolded isn’t Osteen himself and is a response to criticism about Osteen’s personal wealth. “Increase” in the quote above isn’t necessarily material or money. I mean, I have listened to his sermons and they are not really about money. Money is a part of them because money struggles are a part of everyday life.

I don’t really judge him on his lifestyle because, quite frankly, you could judge a LOT of Christians on lavish their lives are, including myself. Where do you draw the line?

Did you go to the link? It follows him from sermon to sermon and interviews the people who actually attend and hear him preach -- strange how they all get the idea that if they give him money they will get jobs, win the lottery, get money back from heaven, if you're so very sure that's not what he's saying. That's what he preaches. The bolded is his freaking spokesman, so it's a bit rich to say "that's not him."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So there are some accusations being leveled against Osteen that he is a “prosperity gospel” preacher. I have watched quite a few of his sermons and none of them have that message as far as I can see.

If you have a link to any heretical messages by Ostend I would watch them. I think Osteen gets lumped in with prosperity gospel preachers because he does talk about faith leading to “prosperity” but he isn’t really talking about material wealth, he is talking about inner peace, peace in your relationships, being able to cope with crisis and solve problems through faith. And yes, a lot of people’s problems are material like job loss and being unable to pay the bills. These are the things people deal with in day to day life.

He's not lumped in with PG pastors, he's one of the most famous. The "increase" he promises his followers is explicitly about money, not "inner peace." https://www.ft.com/content/3990ce66-60a6-11e9-b285-3acd5d43599e

In his latest book, Next Level Thinking, Osteen writes: “If you do your part, God will do His. He will promote you; He’ll give you increase.” Osteen writes from experience. The television broadcasts on which Lakewood spends tens of millions each year provide a lucrative platform for his books and a rolling investment in his global brand. He is reported to have received a $13m advance on his second book, Become A Better You, which came out in 2007. He has written several since then.

When I asked Don Iloff, Lakewood’s spokesman and Joel’s brother-in-law, how Osteen’s riches squared with Christian theology, he laughed. “Poverty isn’t a qualification for heaven,” he said. “Look at how wealthy Abraham was.” Iloff pointed out that all royalties from Osteen’s books that are sold at Lakewood’s bookshop, or from its website, go to the church.

The bolded isn’t Osteen himself and is a response to criticism about Osteen’s personal wealth. “Increase” in the quote above isn’t necessarily material or money. I mean, I have listened to his sermons and they are not really about money. Money is a part of them because money struggles are a part of everyday life.

I don’t really judge him on his lifestyle because, quite frankly, you could judge a LOT of Christians on lavish their lives are, including myself. Where do you draw the line?

Did you go to the link? It follows him from sermon to sermon and interviews the people who actually attend and hear him preach -- strange how they all get the idea that if they give him money they will get jobs, win the lottery, get money back from heaven, if you're so very sure that's not what he's saying. That's what he preaches. The bolded is his freaking spokesman, so it's a bit rich to say "that's not him."

I did read the article and it had very little in the way of substance in its criticisms of Osteen. The writer appears to have very little material and goes on tangents about Donald Trump and prosperity gospel preachers without actually being able to make a firm connection to Osteen.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of all the televangelists out there, Joel Osteen seems remarkably inoffensive to me. I have seen a few of his sermons and dare I say I like them. They are uplifting and not really “meaty” but that’s not his ministry or his goal. His goal is to encourage people and make them feel like faith in God is a positive, uplifting thing. I like that, especially when you consider how many people were exposed to a punitive, fire and brimstone type of Christianity. I have heard about the various controversies surrounding him and Lakewood church and they all seem rather manufactured.

Isn't he that Texas preacher who was shamed into allowing hurricane victims in his church after he closed the doors to them. He is also that same Texas preacher who received 4.4 million dollars of CARES money. Okay. May they all burn in the hell they scare people with from the pulpit while fattening the purses. He is what Jesus called a Pharsiee.

[Anonymous]

Joel Osteen didn't go to seminary or divinity school. He has no in-depth understanding of scripture and no theology apart from the prosperity gospel. Televangelists love the prosperity gospel because they can live lavishly off their audience and point to their wealth as evidence that they are doing God's will. It might feel good to hear his sermons, but there's not much substance there and it won't sustain you. Plus - and this is just my opinion - I think he's kinda creepy.

[Anonymous]

*paid for by Joel Osteen

[Anonymous]

He looks like a pedo.

I am not saying he is. But he is super creepy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He looks like a pedo.

I am not saying he is. But he is super creepy.

SHE is a pedo and his wife, DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM, is involved in human trafficking. Their wealth has already been frozen and will be taken away.

God will bring their judgement.

[Anonymous]

He's one d the most prominent faces of the "prosperity gospel," which is directly antithetical to the teachings of Christ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On top of the hurricane debacle where a mattress salesman was infinitely more Christ-like to fellow Houston citizens, Osteen drives a $325K Ferrari, but his church received $4M in PPP loans.

Tax dollars for a church that doesn’t pay taxes.

Yup- this is where people were fleeing. Do you think they cared if there were cots, water (HAH), etc?
The mattress guy opened up his warehouse and it wasn't a "proper shelter". He probably had to write off all those mattresses, but hey, he PAYS TAXES!

It doesn't matter if people here are convinced. All of Houston saw it with their own eyes.

Now post the picture of Lakewood's flooded parking lot and atrium. But I guess that wouldnt paint the picture you like, huh?

Exactly. His church is not shown flooded in this photo. There are photos that WERE taken at his church -- no flooding. But we understand as people gullible enough to defend this hellbound carnival barker, you don't allow facts to cloud your judgement.

[Anonymous]

Remember that lady with the pink hair and that massive amount of makeup on PTL ? She was a man. Her husband was a prolific child rapist.

Pat Robertson is a woman.

Joyce Meyer is a man.

Jim and Tammy Baker. She was a man. He was a woman. And for what they did on this Earth they will burn in hell for.

Get ready because the truth will hurt but it will SET YOU FREE !

[Anonymous]

Osteen is a charlatan. How do Christians not see that?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember that lady with the pink hair and that massive amount of makeup on PTL ? She was a man. Her husband was a prolific child rapist.

Pat Robertson is a woman.

Joyce Meyer is a man.

Jim and Tammy Baker. She was a man. He was a woman. And for what they did on this Earth they will burn in hell for.

Get ready because the truth will hurt but it will SET YOU FREE !

Um. Wut

Take your meds dude