White Male Anger

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

Here you go! Enjoy!


https://www.npr.org/people/3874941/scott-simon

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Girls get massively more freebies and attention....look at every metric across the board. Boy are disciplined more than girls at almost every age in school. Boys by far and away are pumped much more full with drugs like ritalin at an early age compared to girls simply because they have more energy and low energy female teachers can't handle them. Women have higher rates of acceptance to college these days, so much so that the gender imbalance is getting so bad at some universities that colleges now have to go out of their way to recruit men. Men have had gender death gaps that have existed for forever now, yet women's health issues constantly get more funding. Men will die more from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer's and almost every other disease at a higher rate than women, yet do you see the NFL and all sorts of other big companies/orgs taking on men's health? No, the PC crap forces them to have pink awareness days for breast cancer even though men 1 out of every 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime. It's also absolutely asinine the number of grants and other opportunities that are only specifically available to women in STEM. Just for existing you get extra bonus points tacked on to your funding application of you have a vagina in STEM. Maybe women simply go into STEM less out of free choice. Time to give men extra advantages when it comes to gender disparities in fields like nursing school admissions because men have penises. We also should be calling out the hypocrisy of billion dollar industries that have huge pay gap disparities for female models compared to male models. Men should be getting paid more in the fashion industry.

Why do men have so much more wealth than women?
Why are women (and children) so much more likely to wind up in poverty compared to men?
Why do men hold more than 50% of Congressional seats when they make up less than half of the population?
Why has there never been a female President?
Why are women so much more likely to die from domestic violence than men?
Why are so many more women the victim of sexual assault compared to men?
Why are there so many missing girls and women in the world?
Why are the top companies and firms run by men?
Why have four times as many women dropped out of the work force compared to men during the pandemic?

Why do men die are exponentially higher rates due to violence overall compared to women? That includes issues like workplace violence.
Why are more than ~95% of fatalities on the job men?
Why are women so risk adverse, according to numerous studies, yet then complain about why they have less wealth and don't run companies? Duh, no one is gonna reward you for less risk taking.
Why isn't there more focus on men's health wrt COVID, when many reports now show that the coronavirus is deadlier for men than women?
Why do women overwhelmingly win custody battles in court for children when parents separate?
Why are men more likely to die from suicide?
Why are 70% of individuals who are homeless men?
Also, when looking at homeless, why do women get higher rates of shelter than men?
Why do workplaces overwhelmingly give moms time off for childcare, yet men get nothing?
Why do men get 63% longer prison sentences than women for the same exact crimes?
Why are women more likely to have health insurance than men?

Why are men so much more likely to commit violent crimes/murder? https://dataunodc.un.org/
Why do women get paid less for doing the same job?
Why are men more likely to cheat? Numerous studies have shown that more men cheat than women.
Why did four times as many women as men drop out of the labor force during the COVID pandemic?
Why do studies show that women are much more likely to be killed by their male partner or ex than men by their female partner? "More than 55 percent of the deaths were related to partner violence, and the vast majority of those were carried out by a male partner." https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538518569/cdc-half-of-all-female-murder-victims-are-killed-by-intimate-partners

[Anonymous]

Over the past several decades there have been labor market changes that have eroded the working class and turned many white working class in poor whites. There are many communities in this country, many white, that suffer from lack of jobs and an opioid crisis. So many white communities, especially rural ones, are experiencing problems that minority communities have had to contend with. In my career I have seen these problems first hand. These are not the white men posting on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls get massively more freebies and attention....look at every metric across the board. Boy are disciplined more than girls at almost every age in school. Boys by far and away are pumped much more full with drugs like ritalin at an early age compared to girls simply because they have more energy and low energy female teachers can't handle them. Women have higher rates of acceptance to college these days, so much so that the gender imbalance is getting so bad at some universities that colleges now have to go out of their way to recruit men. Men have had gender death gaps that have existed for forever now, yet women's health issues constantly get more funding. Men will die more from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer's and almost every other disease at a higher rate than women, yet do you see the NFL and all sorts of other big companies/orgs taking on men's health? No, the PC crap forces them to have pink awareness days for breast cancer even though men 1 out of every 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime. It's also absolutely asinine the number of grants and other opportunities that are only specifically available to women in STEM. Just for existing you get extra bonus points tacked on to your funding application of you have a vagina in STEM. Maybe women simply go into STEM less out of free choice. Time to give men extra advantages when it comes to gender disparities in fields like nursing school admissions because men have penises. We also should be calling out the hypocrisy of billion dollar industries that have huge pay gap disparities for female models compared to male models. Men should be getting paid more in the fashion industry.

Why do men have so much more wealth than women?
Why are women (and children) so much more likely to wind up in poverty compared to men?
Why do men hold more than 50% of Congressional seats when they make up less than half of the population?
Why has there never been a female President?
Why are women so much more likely to die from domestic violence than men?
Why are so many more women the victim of sexual assault compared to men?
Why are there so many missing girls and women in the world?
Why are the top companies and firms run by men?
Why have four times as many women dropped out of the work force compared to men during the pandemic?

Why do men die are exponentially higher rates due to violence overall compared to women? That includes issues like workplace violence.
Why are more than ~95% of fatalities on the job men?
Why are women so risk adverse, according to numerous studies, yet then complain about why they have less wealth and don't run companies? Duh, no one is gonna reward you for less risk taking.
Why isn't there more focus on men's health wrt COVID, when many reports now show that the coronavirus is deadlier for men than women?
Why do women overwhelmingly win custody battles in court for children when parents separate?
Why are men more likely to die from suicide?
Why are 70% of individuals who are homeless men?
Also, when looking at homeless, why do women get higher rates of shelter than men?
Why do workplaces overwhelmingly give moms time off for childcare, yet men get nothing?
Why do men get 63% longer prison sentences than women for the same exact crimes?
Why are women more likely to have health insurance than men?

Why are men so much more likely to commit violent crimes/murder? https://dataunodc.un.org/
Why do women get paid less for doing the same job?
Why are men more likely to cheat? Numerous studies have shown that more men cheat than women.
Why did four times as many women as men drop out of the labor force during the COVID pandemic?
Why do studies show that women are much more likely to be killed by their male partner or ex than men by their female partner? "More than 55 percent of the deaths were related to partner violence, and the vast majority of those were carried out by a male partner." https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538518569/cdc-half-of-all-female-murder-victims-are-killed-by-intimate-partners

These are all great data points that would be useful for guiding social policy but they do not help very much when applied to an individual. I think this may be where the two sides are talking past each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I totally agree that men have problems unique to them that we should be thinking about more...it seems to me that their own toxic masculinity is eating them away from the inside. The reason they are so angry about losing privilege and status is that they’ve been taught for so long that this is the basis of their worth as a person and that it’s their responsibility as a man to use their wealth and privilege to shelter their loved ones. I see it even in guys who are pretty feminist—this creeping fear and anxiety that they can’t meet that expectation. It comes out as anger, sleeplessness, heart conditions, alcoholism, etc. Its really sad—the make mystique that is as toxic as the feminine mystique.

I quite agree with this. I think women have more flexibility in some ways, than men do. We also tend to have more supports. It's a shame that this has changed. My parents both belonged to clubs and social organizations, and were active in church, and involved with their siblings and peers. If they needed something, there were multiple people in their lives that they could call on. Few of the men that I know in subsequent generations seem to have that level of community support.

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Anonymous wrote:Girls get massively more freebies and attention....look at every metric across the board. Boy are disciplined more than girls at almost every age in school. Boys by far and away are pumped much more full with drugs like ritalin at an early age compared to girls simply because they have more energy and low energy female teachers can't handle them. Women have higher rates of acceptance to college these days, so much so that the gender imbalance is getting so bad at some universities that colleges now have to go out of their way to recruit men. Men have had gender death gaps that have existed for forever now, yet women's health issues constantly get more funding. Men will die more from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer's and almost every other disease at a higher rate than women, yet do you see the NFL and all sorts of other big companies/orgs taking on men's health? No, the PC crap forces them to have pink awareness days for breast cancer even though men 1 out of every 2 men will get cancer in their lifetime. It's also absolutely asinine the number of grants and other opportunities that are only specifically available to women in STEM. Just for existing you get extra bonus points tacked on to your funding application of you have a vagina in STEM. Maybe women simply go into STEM less out of free choice. Time to give men extra advantages when it comes to gender disparities in fields like nursing school admissions because men have penises. We also should be calling out the hypocrisy of billion dollar industries that have huge pay gap disparities for female models compared to male models. Men should be getting paid more in the fashion industry.

Why do men have so much more wealth than women?
Why are women (and children) so much more likely to wind up in poverty compared to men?
Why do men hold more than 50% of Congressional seats when they make up less than half of the population?
Why has there never been a female President?
Why are women so much more likely to die from domestic violence than men?
Why are so many more women the victim of sexual assault compared to men?
Why are there so many missing girls and women in the world?
Why are the top companies and firms run by men?
Why have four times as many women dropped out of the work force compared to men during the pandemic?

Why do men die are exponentially higher rates due to violence overall compared to women? That includes issues like workplace violence.
Why are more than ~95% of fatalities on the job men?
Why are women so risk adverse, according to numerous studies, yet then complain about why they have less wealth and don't run companies? Duh, no one is gonna reward you for less risk taking.
Why isn't there more focus on men's health wrt COVID, when many reports now show that the coronavirus is deadlier for men than women?
Why do women overwhelmingly win custody battles in court for children when parents separate?
Why are men more likely to die from suicide?
Why are 70% of individuals who are homeless men?
Also, when looking at homeless, why do women get higher rates of shelter than men?
Why do workplaces overwhelmingly give moms time off for childcare, yet men get nothing?
Why do men get 63% longer prison sentences than women for the same exact crimes?
Why are women more likely to have health insurance than men?

Why are men so much more likely to commit violent crimes/murder? https://dataunodc.un.org/
Why do women get paid less for doing the same job?
Why are men more likely to cheat? Numerous studies have shown that more men cheat than women.
Why did four times as many women as men drop out of the labor force during the COVID pandemic?
Why do studies show that women are much more likely to be killed by their male partner or ex than men by their female partner? "More than 55 percent of the deaths were related to partner violence, and the vast majority of those were carried out by a male partner." https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/21/538518569/cdc-half-of-all-female-murder-victims-are-killed-by-intimate-partners

These are all great data points that would be useful for guiding social policy but they do not help very much when applied to an individual. I think this may be where the two sides are talking past each other.

The original PP did not apply any of their data points to an individual, and that was what I was responding to - the implication that men have it hard and women have everything handed to them. Typical incel/MGTOW/red piller thinking. The data doesn't support any of their points. You being passed up for a job for someone female that you perceive to be less qualified is not an indication that there's a systemic problem and that men have it "worse".

I do agree that the messaging in society isn't the greatest. Little boys are told to be tough, traits like sensitivity are viewed as "feminine" and are therefore bad, movies / television promise them they will slay the dragon and get the girl if only they persevere...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

I am agnostic bordering on atheist. I never exposed my kids to God or prayer. When my first born was about 5 we got into a debate about, assuming there *was* a God in the first place - was God male or female? (yes, she was like that, a debater at 5) I said I believe God is female. She said no, male. I said, I will show you. I walked her up to the local Catholic church and stopped in front of a statue of Mary in their garden. I said, "see? there she is!" She shook her head, "no, the real God must be *inside* the Church".

Somehow my agnostic kid had picked up on the fact that God was a (white) male. My point, don't worry PP, somehow your son will pick up on the fact that (white) males are the center of the universe and our society. Your pearl clutching and hand wringing about boys not having role models is misplaced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

Ever watch "forensic files" or "unsolved mysteries"? I mean, males basically *are* the root of all evil. Imagine a society where we didn't have rapists, murderers, serial killers, school shooter.... it would have to be a world without men.

White or black, maleness is the problem. Sorry not sorry for saying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the past several decades there have been labor market changes that have eroded the working class and turned many white working class in poor whites. There are many communities in this country, many white, that suffer from lack of jobs and an opioid crisis. So many white communities, especially rural ones, are experiencing problems that minority communities have had to contend with. In my career I have seen these problems first hand. These are not the white men posting on DCUM.

I know that "they started it" is not a great solution focused argument, but I think my comments, at least, followed from the way the OP worded the first post. There are a lot of people hurting in this country -- in a variety of different ways, that would suggest different solutions, if, indeed, we as a country wanted to prioritize such solutions. The original post, though, was about "rage", not about hurt, and looked to "women and minorities" and "special interest groups" as a focus of their resentment.

My hope is that these white men, who, at least at this point have far far more power than I do, will ask questions that could lead to a higher quality of life overall for everyone. I'm pretty sure though, that that is not the way they hope to resolve their resentments.

[Anonymous]

This movement is not new. I have heard my husband and BIL complain about being passed over for jobs because they are white for 25 years. It never occurs to them that they actually do not work that hard. Nor are they good at office politics (my husband improved over time).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

I am agnostic bordering on atheist. I never exposed my kids to God or prayer. When my first born was about 5 we got into a debate about, assuming there *was* a God in the first place - was God male or female? (yes, she was like that, a debater at 5) I said I believe God is female. She said no, male. I said, I will show you. I walked her up to the local Catholic church and stopped in front of a statue of Mary in their garden. I said, "see? there she is!" She shook her head, "no, the real God must be *inside* the Church".

Somehow my agnostic kid had picked up on the fact that God was a (white) male. My point, don't worry PP, somehow your son will pick up on the fact that (white) males are the center of the universe and our society. Your pearl clutching and hand wringing about boys not having role models is misplaced.

Right but the problem is that rather than see the poor societal outcomes of a single gender being favored and idealized for superficial stereotypes you instead seem to view it as a competition where your “side” deserves to win. You could teach your kid that statues are not real and humans tend to have ridiculous religious beliefs rather than try to survey religious depictions in a search for truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Can you give an example? I'm thinking of all my 4 year old's favorite TV shows - Daniel Tiger, Paw Patrol, Blaze and the Monster Machines, Rusty Rivets, Arthur, Dinosaur Train... all male leads with some female characters thrown in. Who wear head to toe pink and have all pink everything (I'm looking at you, Skye!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

Ever watch "forensic files" or "unsolved mysteries"? I mean, males basically *are* the root of all evil. Imagine a society where we didn't have rapists, murderers, serial killers, school shooter.... it would have to be a world without men.

White or black, maleness is the problem. Sorry not sorry for saying it.

+1000, pp speaks the truth.

It's not the race, it's not the religion, it's not the profession, it's not the nationality, it's not the citizen/immigration status. The common denominator is overwhelmingly, a Y chromosome.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

Ever watch "forensic files" or "unsolved mysteries"? I mean, males basically *are* the root of all evil. Imagine a society where we didn't have rapists, murderers, serial killers, school shooter.... it would have to be a world without men.

White or black, maleness is the problem. Sorry not sorry for saying it.

At the same time, the vast majority of men are not murderers, serial killers, or school shooters. (I left out rapists because since sexual abuse is way under-reported, I don't want to lump it in with clearer data.) And some women, albeit a much smaller percentage, are. So we don't necessarily need a world without men. Maybe we need a world that's based on something other than competition. Imagine if we had more meaningful, obviously valuable roles for teenagers, if we all valued win-win solutions over rewarding win-lose ones, and males and females were valued as individuals with unique patterns of strengths and skills. (Okay, now I'm hearing that John Lennon song.....)

[Anonymous]

male fragility