Possible legal challenge against TJ lottery

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Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

In your wet dream. Just wait a year or two.

the sense of entitlement is hilarious. No one in public school is guaranteed a TJ level education, if you want to ensure you kids gets it, pay for a comparable private

This sentiment swings both ways.

which leaves the elected board to make the decision as long as they do so within legal confines- a race blind lottery fits that description

What is the difference between a race blind (all students) lottery and merit ( 3.5 GPA is merit or average ) lottery ? 70 to 80% of students will have 3.5 GPA. 14,000 to 17,000 students will apply for lottery admission (below 5% acceptance rate).. How will parents ever explain to a child why they were not chosen and another child with lower GPA? This proposal is outrageous and unfair. The loser can be from any race , teased for having higher GPA .. but he thinks bad in his entire life. Do you think the another kid who won lotter would be happy and self respect ?

Please think .. come up with better solution ..

bad and ill-conceived is not the same as illegal. If you don't like the plan, run for school board next time around or volunteer on a campaign

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

In your wet dream. Just wait a year or two.

the sense of entitlement is hilarious. No one in public school is guaranteed a TJ level education, if you want to ensure you kids gets it, pay for a comparable private

This sentiment swings both ways.

which leaves the elected board to make the decision as long as they do so within legal confines- a race blind lottery fits that description

What is the difference between a race blind (all students) lottery and merit ( 3.5 GPA is merit or average ) lottery ? 70 to 80% of students will have 3.5 GPA. 14,000 to 17,000 students will apply for lottery admission (below 5% acceptance rate).. How will parents ever explain to a child why they were not chosen and another child with lower GPA? This proposal is outrageous and unfair. The loser can be from any race , teased for having higher GPA .. but he thinks bad in his entire life. Do you think the another kid who won lotter would be happy and self respect ?

Please think .. come up with better solution ..

bad and ill-conceived is not the same as illegal. If you don't like the plan, run for school board next time around or volunteer on a campaign

Hate to break it to you but it is also clearly illegal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

In your wet dream. Just wait a year or two.

the sense of entitlement is hilarious. No one in public school is guaranteed a TJ level education, if you want to ensure you kids gets it, pay for a comparable private

This sentiment swings both ways.

which leaves the elected board to make the decision as long as they do so within legal confines- a race blind lottery fits that description

And when you find that the new process increases white enrollment i'm sure some will be back to DCUM complaining.

What is the difference between a race blind (all students) lottery and merit ( 3.5 GPA is merit or average ) lottery ? 70 to 80% of students will have 3.5 GPA. 14,000 to 17,000 students will apply for lottery admission (below 5% acceptance rate).. How will parents ever explain to a child why they were not chosen and another child with lower GPA was? This proposal is outrageous and unfair. The loser can be from any race , teased for having higher GPA .. but he thinks bad in his entire life. Do you think the another kid who won lotter would be happy and self respect ?

Please think .. come up with better solution ..

This will be sort out in courts only ..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

In your wet dream. Just wait a year or two.

the sense of entitlement is hilarious. No one in public school is guaranteed a TJ level education, if you want to ensure you kids gets it, pay for a comparable private

This sentiment swings both ways.

which leaves the elected board to make the decision as long as they do so within legal confines- a race blind lottery fits that description

What is the difference between a race blind (all students) lottery and merit ( 3.5 GPA is merit or average ) lottery ? 70 to 80% of students will have 3.5 GPA. 14,000 to 17,000 students will apply for lottery admission (below 5% acceptance rate).. How will parents ever explain to a child why they were not chosen and another child with lower GPA? This proposal is outrageous and unfair. The loser can be from any race , teased for having higher GPA .. but he thinks bad in his entire life. Do you think the another kid who won lotter would be happy and self respect ?

Please think .. come up with better solution ..

bad and ill-conceived is not the same as illegal. If you don't like the plan, run for school board next time around or volunteer on a campaign

Hate to break it to you but it is also clearly illegal.

can you point to any case on point?

[Anonymous]

The better solution is to end TJ as a magnet. Make it a neighborhood school - like it used to be - and send all the kids back to their base schools. Distribute the funds back to the base schools to better address adding more educational options for ALL types of students at the neighborhood level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The better solution is to end TJ as a magnet. Make it a neighborhood school - like it used to be - and send all the kids back to their base schools. Distribute the funds back to the base schools to better address adding more educational options for ALL types of students at the neighborhood level.

Then, we must end aap as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The better solution is to end TJ as a magnet. Make it a neighborhood school - like it used to be - and send all the kids back to their base schools. Distribute the funds back to the base schools to better address adding more educational options for ALL types of students at the neighborhood level.

Great solution, it should be implemented this year.

[Anonymous]

Then end AAP centers. Keep kids at their neighborhood schools and encourage differentiated instruction locally. Stop the competition to move kids out to other schools. Make local schools serve ALL their students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then end AAP centers. Keep kids at their neighborhood schools and encourage differentiated instruction locally. Stop the competition to move kids out to other schools. Make local schools serve ALL their students.

Totally agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

+1. Families should not change the way they behave - but that behavior, insofar as it relates to TJ admissions directly, shouldn't be a factor in the admissions process. And before this year it clearly has been.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

still waiting for a single case cite with a relevant holding

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

No, it won't. Such a ruling would completely throw charter schools into disarray because this is how many of them select their students, and conservatives are relentless advocates of school choice.