Never Have I Ever (Netflix)

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Anonymous wrote:I liked it, but the wheelchair/ handicap jokes were in very poor taste. I am a wheelchair user and it just stings. I like Mindy Khaling and I liked this show, but it's very lame and old to have it be socially acceptable to make these kind of jokes (hey FDR). In 2020 it's time to just have a character in a wheelchair just be treated like a regular character (like in Raising Dion).

For better or worse, that would not be representative of what it's like to be a disabled teen. Kids are cruel. We should be allowed to tell stories that reflect reality. The kid that makes that joke isnt portrayed in a positive light

Are you a disabled person? Maybe watch Crip Camp to see what some of us have had to go through. Disabled people are just people. I don’t need ableism to discredit my complaint. We are the last group where it is still socially acceptable to be treated “separate but equal” even today. No kids don’t go around calling people FDR. And many people in wheelchairs today aren’t dying to be able to walk. The jokes were bad and give license to viewers to continue to treat us in this way.

Do you have jokes against Jews, blacks, gays? I mean are kids are cruel, NBD right?

The show literally also showcases an ongoing joke calling her the UN which is double entendre for united nations and unf_ckable nerds. Mocking them on two fronts, one racist. Kids are telling cruel jokes about their race in the show as well. But you didn't notice those because they aren't your cause? The high school kids are aholes. And as has been the case since the dawn of the US grade school system, and probably history. kids will look for differences and exploit and mock them to gain status in the group because they haven't fully fleshed out their moral compass yet and are obsessed with fitting in. This is a central line of plot for virtually every piece of film featuring a teenager for the last fifty years.

Also, for the record, it isn't no big deal. This type of casual cruelty is shown to inflict anxiety, stress, sadness, depression and lifelong painful memories and almost all of these high school stories portray this bullying as very damaging.

Nope, who said other things weren't my cause. The handicap/ wheelchair jokes need to end. Period.

All mean-spirited jokes need to end then.

You don't get to decide for me, so no.

Like I said, I thought the show was funny, but I am sick and tired of wheelchairs and disability being a socially acceptable joke, period, and I felt that the use in the show of that plot was unnecessary and offensive. Don't like my opinion, based on my experience growing up with a disability, then I don't care. You trying to discredit me or blend my argument into yours does zero. I have an opinion, deal with it. Maybe educate yourself. I guess in the US if you are a minority it's acceptable for you to poke fun at your minority. But Mindy's not handicap or in a chair. So having a character that is all upset about being in one, and having people treat her like she's got some disease (and the teacher saying "it's not contagious), people calling her FDR, people accusing her of faking, of everyone staring, etc. Give me a break. No, it's not funny, and she shouldn't have had those depictions in there. Just no. Show would have been just as strong without it.

NP. You are unhinged.

No one, in this thread or the show, said it is ok to make fun of disabled people. But, lots of stuff that isn’t ok happens in high school and will be portrayed as happening in a show about high school.

That other groups also had jokes thrown their way is directly relevant to whether the writers were attacking the disabled community. That doesn’t mean those jokes are ok.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion. But so is everyone else and you don’t get to simply decree that we must all be offended.

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Anonymous wrote:I liked it, but the wheelchair/ handicap jokes were in very poor taste. I am a wheelchair user and it just stings. I like Mindy Khaling and I liked this show, but it's very lame and old to have it be socially acceptable to make these kind of jokes (hey FDR). In 2020 it's time to just have a character in a wheelchair just be treated like a regular character (like in Raising Dion).

For better or worse, that would not be representative of what it's like to be a disabled teen. Kids are cruel. We should be allowed to tell stories that reflect reality. The kid that makes that joke isnt portrayed in a positive light

Are you a disabled person? Maybe watch Crip Camp to see what some of us have had to go through. Disabled people are just people. I don’t need ableism to discredit my complaint. We are the last group where it is still socially acceptable to be treated “separate but equal” even today. No kids don’t go around calling people FDR. And many people in wheelchairs today aren’t dying to be able to walk. The jokes were bad and give license to viewers to continue to treat us in this way.

Do you have jokes against Jews, blacks, gays? I mean are kids are cruel, NBD right?

There are jokes about those other groups. The lead said she wished that a Jewish kid was killed by the Nazis. So, very interesting choice there on your part.

And, if given the choice, the vast majority of people in a wheelchair would prefer to be able to walk.

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I also was bothered by the wheelchair jokes. They were unnecessary and offensive. You don’t have to be unhinges to feel that way, and if I was watching it in a wheelchair or with a child in a wheelchair they would sting.

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Anonymous wrote:I also was bothered by the wheelchair jokes. They were unnecessary and offensive. You don’t have to be unhinges to feel that way, and if I was watching it in a wheelchair or with a child in a wheelchair they would sting.

I agree, you don’t have to be unhinged to have been offended by the wheelchair jokes, although I wasn’t and don’t think people should be. But the PP’s long rants against the jokes and her reasoning behind to the rants were unhinged.

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I wouldn't let my under-16 watch it! But I'm a prude. Kids are grown now & they like outrageous fare, so I guess it didn't matter much in the end.

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Can the people start a separate thread about the jokes about people in wheelchairs? Let’s get back to talking about the show more generally. The wheelchair is not a major topic and I don’t know why they even did it. They forgot about it after like the second episode.

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Anonymous wrote:I liked it, but the wheelchair/ handicap jokes were in very poor taste. I am a wheelchair user and it just stings. I like Mindy Khaling and I liked this show, but it's very lame and old to have it be socially acceptable to make these kind of jokes (hey FDR). In 2020 it's time to just have a character in a wheelchair just be treated like a regular character (like in Raising Dion).

For better or worse, that would not be representative of what it's like to be a disabled teen. Kids are cruel. We should be allowed to tell stories that reflect reality. The kid that makes that joke isnt portrayed in a positive light

Are you a disabled person? Maybe watch Crip Camp to see what some of us have had to go through. Disabled people are just people. I don’t need ableism to discredit my complaint. We are the last group where it is still socially acceptable to be treated “separate but equal” even today. No kids don’t go around calling people FDR. And many people in wheelchairs today aren’t dying to be able to walk. The jokes were bad and give license to viewers to continue to treat us in this way.

Do you have jokes against Jews, blacks, gays? I mean are kids are cruel, NBD right?

Add to the fact that she had just lost her dad in a very public and tragic way - I can’t imagine kids would be so cruel after that. *Maybe* in 6th grade but not in 10th. It would’ve made more sense if her character felt “invisible”, etc. but for a guy to call her “un-f-able nerd” or “FDR” is off.

Regardless - I’m 3 episodes in and it’s cute. I don’t love it yet but I like it enough to keep watching. Its predictable and sentimental, but that’s the formula of these teen coming-of-age shows. But hey, I didn’t love the first couple of episodes of Schitt’s Creek and it became my favorite show in the world, so...we’ll see.

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Anonymous wrote:Can the people start a separate thread about the jokes about people in wheelchairs? Let’s get back to talking about the show more generally. The wheelchair is not a major topic and I don’t know why they even did it. They forgot about it after like the second episode.

Yes, please! That one poster has made her point and keeps derailing the thread.

As for why it was included, I listened to the Fresh Air interview with Kaling. A co-writer’s brother (I may have the relationship wrong) had this form of paralysis after a parent was born. Apparently it is not that uncommon of a reaction in kids who lose parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't let my under-16 watch it! But I'm a prude. Kids are grown now & they like outrageous fare, so I guess it didn't matter much in the end.

Really? My 15 year old wants to watch, I was considering watching with him.

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I'm first generation Indian American (Hindu) and also grew up in SoCal, so I was incredibly excited to watch this. It was spot on in so many respects (arm hair was the bane of my existence in HS), though my parents were different from hers in important ways. Like Devi, I struggled for most of my adolescence and young adulthood with reconciling my Indian identity with being an American. I found some parts of it too preachy for my liking, but overall, incredibly well done and it moved me to tears as well as made me laugh. I would say it's appropriate for older high schoolers and up. I really hope it gets renewed; since it's in the top 10 of netflix I'm figuring it probably will.

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Anonymous wrote:I liked it, but the wheelchair/ handicap jokes were in very poor taste. I am a wheelchair user and it just stings. I like Mindy Khaling and I liked this show, but it's very lame and old to have it be socially acceptable to make these kind of jokes (hey FDR). In 2020 it's time to just have a character in a wheelchair just be treated like a regular character (like in Raising Dion).

For better or worse, that would not be representative of what it's like to be a disabled teen. Kids are cruel. We should be allowed to tell stories that reflect reality. The kid that makes that joke isnt portrayed in a positive light

Are you a disabled person? Maybe watch Crip Camp to see what some of us have had to go through. Disabled people are just people. I don’t need ableism to discredit my complaint. We are the last group where it is still socially acceptable to be treated “separate but equal” even today. No kids don’t go around calling people FDR. And many people in wheelchairs today aren’t dying to be able to walk. The jokes were bad and give license to viewers to continue to treat us in this way.

Do you have jokes against Jews, blacks, gays? I mean are kids are cruel, NBD right?

The show literally also showcases an ongoing joke calling her the UN which is double entendre for united nations and unf_ckable nerds. Mocking them on two fronts, one racist. Kids are telling cruel jokes about their race in the show as well. But you didn't notice those because they aren't your cause? The high school kids are aholes. And as has been the case since the dawn of the US grade school system, and probably history. kids will look for differences and exploit and mock them to gain status in the group because they haven't fully fleshed out their moral compass yet and are obsessed with fitting in. This is a central line of plot for virtually every piece of film featuring a teenager for the last fifty years.

Also, for the record, it isn't no big deal. This type of casual cruelty is shown to inflict anxiety, stress, sadness, depression and lifelong painful memories and almost all of these high school stories portray this bullying as very damaging.

Nope, who said other things weren't my cause. The handicap/ wheelchair jokes need to end. Period.

All mean-spirited jokes need to end then.

You don't get to decide for me, so no.

Like I said, I thought the show was funny, but I am sick and tired of wheelchairs and disability being a socially acceptable joke, period, and I felt that the use in the show of that plot was unnecessary and offensive. Don't like my opinion, based on my experience growing up with a disability, then I don't care. You trying to discredit me or blend my argument into yours does zero. I have an opinion, deal with it. Maybe educate yourself. I guess in the US if you are a minority it's acceptable for you to poke fun at your minority. But Mindy's not handicap or in a chair. So having a character that is all upset about being in one, and having people treat her like she's got some disease (and the teacher saying "it's not contagious), people calling her FDR, people accusing her of faking, of everyone staring, etc. Give me a break. No, it's not funny, and she shouldn't have had those depictions in there. Just no. Show would have been just as strong without it.

I've always loved Mindy Kaling but I agree. It was in such poor taste that it is clear she doesn't understand disabilities and doesn't care to. I am fed up with using disabled people as a punch line. People still do not get it. Also John Mcenroe absolutely ruins this for me. I still haven't finished the first episode.

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Anonymous wrote:I liked it, but the wheelchair/ handicap jokes were in very poor taste. I am a wheelchair user and it just stings. I like Mindy Khaling and I liked this show, but it's very lame and old to have it be socially acceptable to make these kind of jokes (hey FDR). In 2020 it's time to just have a character in a wheelchair just be treated like a regular character (like in Raising Dion).

For better or worse, that would not be representative of what it's like to be a disabled teen. Kids are cruel. We should be allowed to tell stories that reflect reality. The kid that makes that joke isnt portrayed in a positive light

Are you a disabled person? Maybe watch Crip Camp to see what some of us have had to go through. Disabled people are just people. I don’t need ableism to discredit my complaint. We are the last group where it is still socially acceptable to be treated “separate but equal” even today. No kids don’t go around calling people FDR. And many people in wheelchairs today aren’t dying to be able to walk. The jokes were bad and give license to viewers to continue to treat us in this way.

Do you have jokes against Jews, blacks, gays? I mean are kids are cruel, NBD right?

The show literally also showcases an ongoing joke calling her the UN which is double entendre for united nations and unf_ckable nerds. Mocking them on two fronts, one racist. Kids are telling cruel jokes about their race in the show as well. But you didn't notice those because they aren't your cause? The high school kids are aholes. And as has been the case since the dawn of the US grade school system, and probably history. kids will look for differences and exploit and mock them to gain status in the group because they haven't fully fleshed out their moral compass yet and are obsessed with fitting in. This is a central line of plot for virtually every piece of film featuring a teenager for the last fifty years.

Also, for the record, it isn't no big deal. This type of casual cruelty is shown to inflict anxiety, stress, sadness, depression and lifelong painful memories and almost all of these high school stories portray this bullying as very damaging.

Nope, who said other things weren't my cause. The handicap/ wheelchair jokes need to end. Period.

All mean-spirited jokes need to end then.

You don't get to decide for me, so no.

Like I said, I thought the show was funny, but I am sick and tired of wheelchairs and disability being a socially acceptable joke, period, and I felt that the use in the show of that plot was unnecessary and offensive. Don't like my opinion, based on my experience growing up with a disability, then I don't care. You trying to discredit me or blend my argument into yours does zero. I have an opinion, deal with it. Maybe educate yourself. I guess in the US if you are a minority it's acceptable for you to poke fun at your minority. But Mindy's not handicap or in a chair. So having a character that is all upset about being in one, and having people treat her like she's got some disease (and the teacher saying "it's not contagious), people calling her FDR, people accusing her of faking, of everyone staring, etc. Give me a break. No, it's not funny, and she shouldn't have had those depictions in there. Just no. Show would have been just as strong without it.

NP. You are unhinged.

No one, in this thread or the show, said it is ok to make fun of disabled people. But, lots of stuff that isn’t ok happens in high school and will be portrayed as happening in a show about high school.

That other groups also had jokes thrown their way is directly relevant to whether the writers were attacking the disabled community. That doesn’t mean those jokes are ok.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion. But so is everyone else and you don’t get to simply decree that we must all be offended.

Oh, you again. Anyone who disagrees with you particularly when you are wrong, is mentally unstable. What privilege you show. People are blind and discriminate against people with disabilities so let's all make fun of them. Gotcha.

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Anonymous wrote:Can the people start a separate thread about the jokes about people in wheelchairs? Let’s get back to talking about the show more generally. The wheelchair is not a major topic and I don’t know why they even did it. They forgot about it after like the second episode.

No. We're not going to hide like you'd like us to.

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Did you see my post earlier about the Fresh Air interview ? This stuff happens. Please stop. Your point has been made again and again. We understand.

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I've always loved Mindy Kaling but I agree. It was in such poor taste that it is clear she doesn't understand disabilities and doesn't care to. I am fed up with using disabled people as a punch line. People still do not get it. Also John Mcenroe absolutely ruins this for me. I still haven't finished the first episode.

The bolded says it all. You haven't even watched one full episode and you've posted multiple long rants on this thread?? MOVE ALONG