Familiarity with a disruptive kid in the classroom (FCPS) - what to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure you can involve the police if children are being assaulted by other children. We had this type of situation at a private - basically were told there was nothing they could do, but was made clear we were not constrained from contacting the authorities.

And so continues the school to prison pipeline. This is a child we're talking about. Do you really think this child should have an arrest record and perhaps be incarcerated so that your child doesn't miss a few minutes of instruction? Do you think that's good for society long term?

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Pp said assaulted. That's VERY different than just missing out on a few minutes of instruction. I wouldn't want the kid to be arrested, but if my kid was assaulted I wouldn't just tell him he had to deal with it. And why should I be the one to have to pay for private school or find a new school? So if calling the cops is what's needed to protect my kid, I'm going to do it.

[Anonymous]

There are either two issues - the parents are either refusing a different school placement or the IEP team is refusing a different placement. I would ask for a classroom change for this year (it will probably be declined) and if your child is attacked, file a bullying or what ever complaint with the school board. That way the documentation builds up.

Personally, I'd just remove my kid from the school as they are not only not helping that child but also others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure you can involve the police if children are being assaulted by other children. We had this type of situation at a private - basically were told there was nothing they could do, but was made clear we were not constrained from contacting the authorities.

And so continues the school to prison pipeline. This is a child we're talking about. Do you really think this child should have an arrest record and perhaps be incarcerated so that your child doesn't miss a few minutes of instruction? Do you think that's good for society long term?

This post is unresponsive to the problem being discussed.

Pp said assaulted. That's VERY different than just missing out on a few minutes of instruction. I wouldn't want the kid to be arrested, but if my kid was assaulted I wouldn't just tell him he had to deal with it. And why should I be the one to have to pay for private school or find a new school? So if calling the cops is what's needed to protect my kid, I'm going to do it.

Arresting a child with mental health or Sn isn't going to help and make matters worse. Why would you pay for a private or find a new school? Your child is your priority and their safety is #1. This school isn't helping any of the kids and at some point you really risk yours becoming a target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, my suggestion would be to contact the principal and request that another adult be added to the room in the short term to help the disruptive child and keep everyone else safe.

That takes a long time and a lot of documentation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure you can involve the police if children are being assaulted by other children. We had this type of situation at a private - basically were told there was nothing they could do, but was made clear we were not constrained from contacting the authorities.

And so continues the school to prison pipeline. This is a child we're talking about. Do you really think this child should have an arrest record and perhaps be incarcerated so that your child doesn't miss a few minutes of instruction? Do you think that's good for society long term?

This post is unresponsive to the problem being discussed.

Pp said assaulted. That's VERY different than just missing out on a few minutes of instruction. I wouldn't want the kid to be arrested, but if my kid was assaulted I wouldn't just tell him he had to deal with it. And why should I be the one to have to pay for private school or find a new school? So if calling the cops is what's needed to protect my kid, I'm going to do it.

Arresting a child with mental health or Sn isn't going to help and make matters worse. Why would you pay for a private or find a new school? Your child is your priority and their safety is #1. This school isn't helping any of the kids and at some point you really risk yours becoming a target.

This school could be almost any school now given the requirement that SN kids be placed in a "least restrictive" setting. If other children are being hurt physically, that needs to be stopped now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure you can involve the police if children are being assaulted by other children. We had this type of situation at a private - basically were told there was nothing they could do, but was made clear we were not constrained from contacting the authorities.

And so continues the school to prison pipeline. This is a child we're talking about. Do you really think this child should have an arrest record and perhaps be incarcerated so that your child doesn't miss a few minutes of instruction? Do you think that's good for society long term?

The school to prison pipeline continues because the disruptive kid never learns it is wrong to assault someone. They are never disciplined at home for throwing chairs.
They are not disciplined in the school district for assaulting the teacher. They turn 18, assault someone, and then they see prison. Maybe they could learn
what is acceptable behavior before then.

Wrong, at least for many with special needs. It isn't a matter of knowing right from wrong, and for these kids discipline doesn't teach right from wrong. When they are in crisis mode, "fight or flight" kicks in. They cannot think rationally. What they haven't learned is how to regulate to keep from getting to that point, and this is where the schools need to focus the attention. Not in what to do when the child is upset, but in figuring out why the child is upset and teaching the child skills to deal with those feelings. When the school just kicks the kid out, or warehouses them off in a separate school, the skills are never learned and the kid ends up in prision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure you can involve the police if children are being assaulted by other children. We had this type of situation at a private - basically were told there was nothing they could do, but was made clear we were not constrained from contacting the authorities.

And so continues the school to prison pipeline. This is a child we're talking about. Do you really think this child should have an arrest record and perhaps be incarcerated so that your child doesn't miss a few minutes of instruction? Do you think that's good for society long term?

The school to prison pipeline continues because the disruptive kid never learns it is wrong to assault someone. They are never disciplined at home for throwing chairs.
They are not disciplined in the school district for assaulting the teacher. They turn 18, assault someone, and then they see prison. Maybe they could learn
what is acceptable behavior before then.

Wrong, at least for many with special needs. It isn't a matter of knowing right from wrong, and for these kids discipline doesn't teach right from wrong. When they are in crisis mode, "fight or flight" kicks in. They cannot think rationally. What they haven't learned is how to regulate to keep from getting to that point, and this is where the schools need to focus the attention. Not in what to do when the child is upset, but in figuring out why the child is upset and teaching the child skills to deal with those feelings. When the school just kicks the kid out, or warehouses them off in a separate school, the skills are never learned and the kid ends up in prision.

If the kid is in crisis mode 3x per week and physically harming other students, the current placement isn't working. The rights of the two dozen other students to a safe and appropriate learning environment matter too.

[Anonymous]

you are either a parent at my daughter's school or this is really close to what is happening in my daughter's classroom.

The school is not doing anything and does not care about the rest of the kids in the class. This one kid is getting all the resources and all the attention. It really sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At what point does the right of the other children to safety and a public education finally trump the right of this one particular child? How long are these disruptions - 2 minutes or 20?

Serious question from an uninformed new parent.

At our school- the only kid who seems to have rights is the one that is throwing desks and destroying the classroom. Everyone else just needs to except his differences. Seriously that is what I was told.

[Anonymous]

Wrong, at least for many with special needs. It isn't a matter of knowing right from wrong, and for these kids discipline doesn't teach right from wrong. When they are in crisis mode, "fight or flight" kicks in. They cannot think rationally. What they haven't learned is how to regulate to keep from getting to that point, and this is where the schools need to focus the attention. Not in what to do when the child is upset, but in figuring out why the child is upset and teaching the child skills to deal with those feelings. When the school just kicks the kid out, or warehouses them off in a separate school, the skills are never learned and the kid ends up in prision.

That is sad, but the other kids should not have to live this way at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At what point does the right of the other children to safety and a public education finally trump the right of this one particular child? How long are these disruptions - 2 minutes or 20?

Serious question from an uninformed new parent.

The other children’s parents have no basis to sue, but the child with SN has the basis for discrimination and loss of FAPE.

[Anonymous]

What do you mean OP - the kid is "gifted"? How do you know he accelerates in academics? Are you looking at his report card?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Wrong, at least for many with special needs. It isn't a matter of knowing right from wrong, and for these kids discipline doesn't teach right from wrong. When they are in crisis mode, "fight or flight" kicks in. They cannot think rationally. What they haven't learned is how to regulate to keep from getting to that point, and this is where the schools need to focus the attention. Not in what to do when the child is upset, but in figuring out why the child is upset and teaching the child skills to deal with those feelings. When the school just kicks the kid out, or warehouses them off in a separate school, the skills are never learned and the kid ends up in prison.

If the kid is in crisis mode 3x per week and physically harming other students, the current placement isn't working. The rights of the two dozen other students to a safe and appropriate learning environment matter too.

Maybe, maybe not. Kid shouldn't be kicked out of school because of an unwillingness on the part of the school to provide supports and accommodations to which the child is entitled, and which may be required under an IEP. I'll grant you that something isn't working, but it may not be the placement. However, my response above was in reference to the statement that it was a lack of discipline that leads to the kid ending up in jail. It isn't that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, my suggestion would be to contact the principal and request that another adult be added to the room in the short term to help the disruptive child and keep everyone else safe.

That takes a long time and a lot of documentation.

And then you have to find someone willing and able to do the hard work! We started the process for my classroom in September. If we are lucky someone will start in December

[Anonymous]

In a similar (possibly the same), the mom who complained to the principal EVERY SINGLE TIME there was an incident got her kid moved to a different class. So there's always that.