What does it mean when someone scores a 160 on the Naglieri?

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While it is true that NNAT has big discrepancies of scores being either too high or too low, achieving 160 is an accomplishment.
To be fair, it is generally know that Einstein did not have high IQ. And OP's DD is in 9th grade so AAP does not apply.
if there are any reason for OP to test the DD at GMU or private psychologist, it will be to gain more knowledge as a parent to better support their child.
or OP can wait until DD turns 16 to take Stanford-Binet instead of WISC incase she scores high enough to join Triple Nine society.
I have read many posts stating their kids scores over 145 on NNAT but haven't seen scores such as 160 before (didn't look every forum post)
this ability tests are well, doesn't really have consistency, for instance, my DD received 151 in Cogat last month as 5th grade (private school)
but DAS II she took month prior she only obtained 136, and 134 in WISC 6 month prior. In another hand I've read someone with 120 CogAT receiving 145 on WISC.
because this ability tests have different sub-tests, some kids have extreme talent in some areas to boost their scores.

In general, while people with high IQ does have little advantage in quick learning, it also is their weakness as they tend to become too confident in their abilities over time.
most cases, those who tries their best will always win over those with high IQ.

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Anonymous wrote:160 is a true genius. Nobody gets 160 out of 160 easily. It requires both natural and highly prepared brain at the moment in time. Plus she would need to be born between May and Aug. Younger in her spectrum. My childhood friends who scored very high scores in similar tests are equally successful now. Haters will always hate true genius and seek excuses but a perfect score is never easy.

I think that a perfect score actually is easy for the person who is very smart. A highly intelligent person has no trouble getting high score on tests like this because they are so smart and their strengths are exactly the qualities the test is measuring.

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OP's DD can submit the NNAT score to become Mensan (American Mensa) and apply for Mensa Honor society, might be able to get some scholarship through it.

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None of the NNAT, CogAT, or even WISC without extended norms are designed to distinguish between a 140 and a 160. The difference in NNAT between a 145 and a 160 is around one correct answer on a multiple choice test. The main difference between a kid scoring 160 and one scoring 145 is that the 160 kid had a luckier guess that day.

NNAT and CogAT are very crude instruments. I think rather than an IQ test, OP should have her kid take the ACT and SAT. I'm somewhat surprised that OP's DD didn't take them in 7th grade. It's common for very bright children to take those tests in middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why you are surprised a kid who formerly got two 99% now gets a perfect score. Where is the news other than what may be a slight surprise on your part?

Well it was years ago, so I really haven't given much thought to her scores in quite a while. And even though she scored 99 percentile, she could have still scored quite a few points below the max. Seeing her get the max score was really quite a bit more than a slight surprise, I was actually rather astounded by it

I have no idea why this would astound you. My kid scored very high on the cogat and Wisc. You had no idea with 2- 99% scores, admission into the gifted program, and presumably years of success in that program and you are astounded that the kid got a perfect score on an abilities test?

Yeah. To me a 160 seems like it's Einsteinian level smart, and while it's pretty obvious to me that DD is very smart, she spends most of her free time texting friends, making tik toks, and watching James Charles makeup tutorials. She doesn't seem to be on the path for curing cancer.

What math is she taking? What county is she in and what gifted program? What are her grades? What science and English is she taking?[/quote]

Op?

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This kid is a 9th grader and op isn’t posting what classes she’s in or what the kid’s prior testing from elem school showed. I’m guessing they are run of the mill ones. If they were really Einstein like, as she thinks the scores reflect, she wouldn’t have been so surprised at the score and if they are low she doesn’t want people to say, “See, we told you it doesn’t necessarily mean anything.”

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Anonymous wrote:This kid is a 9th grader and op isn’t posting what classes she’s in or what the kid’s prior testing from elem school showed. I’m guessing they are run of the mill ones. If they were really Einstein like, as she thinks the scores reflect, she wouldn’t have been so surprised at the score and if they are low she doesn’t want people to say, “See, we told you it doesn’t necessarily mean anything.”

Dear God, I'm not trying to hide anything, or make my kid look smarter than what she actually is, In fact, I thought it was pretty clear that I don't see my daughter as being an Einstein, which is why I was so taken aback by her score. To answer your question quickly before I head out to work, we are in Prince William County, she has been in the gifted program since 3rd grade. The gifted program here is more enrichment oriented, they are not actually separated into different instructional classes like AAP in Fairfax County. Her scores on the Naglieri and Cogat in 3rd grade were 99 percentile in every category, but I don't remember what the specific scores were, and I suspect she didn't max out. She is in Algebra II this year, (took Alg. I in 7th, Geometry in 8th). She is in all Pre-AP classes and one AP class now (There is only one AP that Freshmen are allowed to take at her H.S.) I guess I'm just trying to figure out what to make of this score. To be honest, I've always been a bit worried that we haven't done as much as we should have for her to live up to her potential. I don't know if we should be doing more now (although it might be too late), or if it's really not necessary to do anything at all.

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If you feel that your DD might be underachieving, or if you feel a strong need to know exactly where she stands, get an IQ test. Otherwise, it isn't necessary to do anything. She sounds like she's in all advanced classes and doing fine. What more do you think you ought to be doing for her?

Don't get too wrapped up in the NNAT. It has a low ceiling and isn't designed to tell the difference between a kid at the 99th percentile and one at the 99.9+ percentile. A single ceiling NNAT score doesn't mean that your DD is a supergenius and you dropped the ball. It most likely means that your DD is a very bright kid who is especially talented at visual puzzles and is already doing great in all of her pre-AP classes.

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You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

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OP, don't mind few of the posts, you know your DD is gifted. While some posters arguments are correct where NNAT scores only difference between 147/8 to 160 is one question as one can get upto three wrong and get 160 but get four wrong and they get 147/8. Sounds of it your kid is already doing extremely well and probably has great outlook for the future, if she hasn't already joined Mensa, please do and have her join the Mensa honor society to additional chance of scholarship as well as many monthly opportunities where young Mensan's meet for various reasons. If you want to know the actual IQ than schedule session with psychologist or at GMU to have her take Stanford-Binet testing done. We all know connections play big role in our lives, having ability to join some of high IQ society (Triple Nine, Prometheus (only about 100 worldwide member), and other clubs and societies may provide knowledge and opportunities. Mensa does provide good program for youth while anything beyond that is just like normal social gathering.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

Disagree. OP doesn't have much data in front of her, since neither the CogAT nor NNAT are strongly correlated to IQ and neither test is very comprehensive. It's possible that OP's DD is a genius who is somewhat underachieving and coasting in classes too easy for her. A real IQ test would be the best way to determine just how bright OP's DD is.

I disagree with you. Op has loads of data. She’s taken tests and she’s been in school for what, 10 years now? Op, herself, says this kid is bright but not remarkable. Has she taken the SAT? Surely she has. A genius would score above a 1400 in 7th grade at the very least. Getting a high IQ now isn’t going to make her a genius overnight.

No she hasn’t taken the SAT. She is in 9th grade. Why would you think she has taken the SAT already?

Because that’s what gifted kids do.

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Anonymous wrote:You’ve got all the data right in front of you. She’s bright but no genius.

This. She's a bright girl. Bask in that. I don't think there is anything to indicate she is beyond that. She's in an advanced math track but not crazy ahead. SHe's probably exactly where she should be...or else you wouldn't be so shocked by the results.