Wootton boundaries

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Of course I am interested in public education. And from my standpoint, this boundary study is intended to destroy whatever is good about MCPS. And, yes, my property value is VERY important to me. Is yours? Where do you live?

You are?

This is what you said:

Not a troll at all. I live in the Churchill cluster. My kids are in private and I have been worrying about the home values as a result of this study. Obviously not worried about my kids because they are and will always be in private. But based on what I have read and looking at the options for moving boundaries, there really isn't much they can do to our cluster. We border Wootton, Whitman, Walter Johnson, and a tiny section borders RM. And our home is pretty deep into the cluster, so I really don't think we will be affected. Maybe I am wrong, but I will say the likelihood is slim. Sorry, but the diversity bus is not driving past our neighborhood!

Well if my statement mislead you in any way, I apologize. I do care about pubic education, which is why I am against this boundary study. Have a nice day.
Which parts show your interest in public education - the part where you send your children to private school and always will, or the part where you're worried about your home value?

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Anonymous wrote:Certain school board members have admitted that they have it in for the W’s. They resent that we bought expensive homes so that we can send our kids to good schools and are out to get us. Unless you can SEE your high school from your front yard, you’re probably at risk of having your boundaries redrawn.

Churchill mom here. I can't "see" my high school, but our home is pretty much smack in the middle of the cluster, and the high school is 2 miles from our home. So like I said earlier...very very slim chance of our family being affected.

DP... we are closer to Wootton than RM, but this area got rezoned to RM about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are "smack in the middle". They can rezone your area.

Ah yes, the famous Wootton to RM re-zoning of 19-whatever. I'm sure it's closer to 30 years ago than 20 at this point because lots of parents my age were MCPS kids when it happened. We are all in the 40-43 year old range.

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Anonymous wrote:Certain school board members have admitted that they have it in for the W’s. They resent that we bought expensive homes so that we can send our kids to good schools and are out to get us. Unless you can SEE your high school from your front yard, you’re probably at risk of having your boundaries redrawn.

Churchill mom here. I can't "see" my high school, but our home is pretty much smack in the middle of the cluster, and the high school is 2 miles from our home. So like I said earlier...very very slim chance of our family being affected.

DP... we are closer to Wootton than RM, but this area got rezoned to RM about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are "smack in the middle". They can rezone your area.

Horizon Hill get rezoned from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987. 32 years ago. Thirty-two. Thirty. Two. But evidently the wound still rankles...

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Anonymous wrote:Certain school board members have admitted that they have it in for the W’s. They resent that we bought expensive homes so that we can send our kids to good schools and are out to get us. Unless you can SEE your high school from your front yard, you’re probably at risk of having your boundaries redrawn.

Churchill mom here. I can't "see" my high school, but our home is pretty much smack in the middle of the cluster, and the high school is 2 miles from our home. So like I said earlier...very very slim chance of our family being affected.

DP... we are closer to Wootton than RM, but this area got rezoned to RM about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are "smack in the middle". They can rezone your area.

Horizon Hill get rezoned from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987. 32 years ago. Thirty-two. Thirty. Two. But evidently the wound still rankles...

? Who said I was rankled. I wasn't even here in 1987. I moved here a few years ago, and chose RM cluster even though we could afford Wootton cluster.

The point of the post was to show that BOE can and has in the past rezoned areas further away from the nearest HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Certain school board members have admitted that they have it in for the W’s. They resent that we bought expensive homes so that we can send our kids to good schools and are out to get us. Unless you can SEE your high school from your front yard, you’re probably at risk of having your boundaries redrawn.

Churchill mom here. I can't "see" my high school, but our home is pretty much smack in the middle of the cluster, and the high school is 2 miles from our home. So like I said earlier...very very slim chance of our family being affected.

DP... we are closer to Wootton than RM, but this area got rezoned to RM about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are "smack in the middle". They can rezone your area.

Horizon Hill get rezoned from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987. 32 years ago. Thirty-two. Thirty. Two. But evidently the wound still rankles...

? Who said I was rankled. I wasn't even here in 1987. I moved here a few years ago, and chose RM cluster even though we could afford Wootton cluster.

The point of the post was to show that BOE can and has in the past rezoned areas further away from the nearest HS.

BoE also in the past ran a de jure segregated school system, but that has limited relevance to future possible boundary decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Certain school board members have admitted that they have it in for the W’s. They resent that we bought expensive homes so that we can send our kids to good schools and are out to get us. Unless you can SEE your high school from your front yard, you’re probably at risk of having your boundaries redrawn.

Churchill mom here. I can't "see" my high school, but our home is pretty much smack in the middle of the cluster, and the high school is 2 miles from our home. So like I said earlier...very very slim chance of our family being affected.

DP... we are closer to Wootton than RM, but this area got rezoned to RM about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are "smack in the middle". They can rezone your area.

Horizon Hill get rezoned from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987. 32 years ago. Thirty-two. Thirty. Two. But evidently the wound still rankles...

I think the reason for the confusion is that there were two different map rezonings that occurred from Wootton to RM. The first was HH in 1987, and the second was in connection with Fallsgrove opening around 2002 or 2003 (as at that time, it looked like Wootton would be overcapacity and RM would be under - things have changed on that front over the years).

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Anonymous wrote:Certain school board members have admitted that they have it in for the W’s. They resent that we bought expensive homes so that we can send our kids to good schools and are out to get us. Unless you can SEE your high school from your front yard, you’re probably at risk of having your boundaries redrawn.

Churchill mom here. I can't "see" my high school, but our home is pretty much smack in the middle of the cluster, and the high school is 2 miles from our home. So like I said earlier...very very slim chance of our family being affected.

DP... we are closer to Wootton than RM, but this area got rezoned to RM about 20 years ago. It doesn't matter if you are "smack in the middle". They can rezone your area.

Horizon Hill get rezoned from Wootton to Richard Montgomery in 1987. 32 years ago. Thirty-two. Thirty. Two. But evidently the wound still rankles...

? Who said I was rankled. I wasn't even here in 1987. I moved here a few years ago, and chose RM cluster even though we could afford Wootton cluster.

The point of the post was to show that BOE can and has in the past rezoned areas further away from the nearest HS.

BoE also in the past ran a de jure segregated school system, but that has limited relevance to future possible boundary decisions.

BoE today is way more about diversity than years past.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Of course I am interested in public education. And from my standpoint, this boundary study is intended to destroy whatever is good about MCPS. And, yes, my property value is VERY important to me. Is yours? Where do you live?

You are?

This is what you said:

Not a troll at all. I live in the Churchill cluster. My kids are in private and I have been worrying about the home values as a result of this study. Obviously not worried about my kids because they are and will always be in private. But based on what I have read and looking at the options for moving boundaries, there really isn't much they can do to our cluster. We border Wootton, Whitman, Walter Johnson, and a tiny section borders RM. And our home is pretty deep into the cluster, so I really don't think we will be affected. Maybe I am wrong, but I will say the likelihood is slim. Sorry, but the diversity bus is not driving past our neighborhood!

Which parts show your interest in public education - the part where you send your children to private school and always will, or the part where you're worried about your home value?

This is hilarious and also sad. people like PP are why I don't like Montomery Co.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of changes coming to this cluster, and quickly from what I hear. Many people will be moved to QO or Crown, or to other schools.

Changes will be happening with every cluster, bucko.

The smug giddiness of the lower SES individuals in the consortiums who have their fingers crossed that the people the have made to feel inferior too all these years might get their schools messed with to the point where they are no longer above average is pathetic. They clearly don’t care for poor blacks and Hispanics other than the ability to weaponize them toward rich people.

No matter what happens you’ll still live where you live.

I feel superior to people who don't write coherent sentences.

S/he must be the same poster who goes on about folks in the DCC and our "jubilation" at Woodward reopening. Mind you, there's nothing of the kind in those posts, just like there's no "smug giddiness" in the one s/he quotes above. It's completely bizarre.

They're likely just projecting their own issues on this.

Of course they are. But projection this clear is a thing of beauty unto itself. So fascinating.

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I think the reason for the confusion is that there were two different map rezonings that occurred from Wootton to RM. The first was HH in 1987, and the second was in connection with Fallsgrove opening around 2002 or 2003 (as at that time, it looked like Wootton would be overcapacity and RM would be under - things have changed on that front over the years).

This is a good example of a very bad decision made based on diversity zoning and piss poor capacity planning. Wooton never reached overcapacity and RM is overflowing. Great job MCPS.

HH or FG never made RM any better or worse. What has made RM more attractive and its scores to rise has been the success of the magnet program, development in the Rockville area, and possibly the Chinese immersion program in College Gardens. Had MCPS not been so focused on moving white neighborhoods into RM then RM would not overcrowded today. They should have simply renovated Wootton and left the boundaries alone. It would have been cheaper than all the deferred emergency maintenance and RM would not be filled to the brim with as many trailers.

Years ago over in the QO cluster, RC parents requested that MCPS allow COSA's into under enrolled Wootton ES schools. The Wootton ES schools did not object. The RC parents would have provided their own transportation. MCPS objected because it wasn't moving low income kids into Wootton. Now after many years, MCPS is finally going to move some kids out of RC into Dufief but they let years of kids in overcrowded classrooms for no reason other than it didn't align with their diversity goals.

MCPS clearly doesn't give a crap about education or actual students. The central office only cares about what a handful of fools think looks good on paper.

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I think the reason for the confusion is that there were two different map rezonings that occurred from Wootton to RM. The first was HH in 1987, and the second was in connection with Fallsgrove opening around 2002 or 2003 (as at that time, it looked like Wootton would be overcapacity and RM would be under - things have changed on that front over the years).

This is a good example of a very bad decision made based on diversity zoning and piss poor capacity planning. Wooton never reached overcapacity and RM is overflowing. Great job MCPS.

HH or FG never made RM any better or worse. What has made RM more attractive and its scores to rise has been the success of the magnet program, development in the Rockville area, and possibly the Chinese immersion program in College Gardens. Had MCPS not been so focused on moving white neighborhoods into RM then RM would not overcrowded today. They should have simply renovated Wootton and left the boundaries alone. It would have been cheaper than all the deferred emergency maintenance and RM would not be filled to the brim with as many trailers.

Years ago over in the QO cluster, RC parents requested that MCPS allow COSA's into under enrolled Wootton ES schools. The Wootton ES schools did not object. The RC parents would have provided their own transportation. MCPS objected because it wasn't moving low income kids into Wootton. Now after many years, MCPS is finally going to move some kids out of RC into Dufief but they let years of kids in overcrowded classrooms for no reason other than it didn't align with their diversity goals.

MCPS clearly doesn't give a crap about education or actual students. The central office only cares about what a handful of fools think looks good on paper.

No kidding. How could MCPS have not had a better idea about enrollment numbers 40 years in the future? So incompetent!!!!

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I think the reason for the confusion is that there were two different map rezonings that occurred from Wootton to RM. The first was HH in 1987, and the second was in connection with Fallsgrove opening around 2002 or 2003 (as at that time, it looked like Wootton would be overcapacity and RM would be under - things have changed on that front over the years).

This is a good example of a very bad decision made based on diversity zoning and piss poor capacity planning. Wooton never reached overcapacity and RM is overflowing. Great job MCPS.

I generally agree, but in MCPS's defense, I will say that part of the issue here is that these areas had a big boost in property value between 2002 and 2007, such that the price point for single family homes in these zip codes has made them accessible to a smaller segment of the population. The result, in the case of Wootton, is that you have much wealthier families in these homes than before, which often means parents who have kids later, and frequently have smaller families. If you compare a lot of the Wootton neighborhoods to 30 years ago, there's a lower birth rate and smaller number of students. You combine with the fact that Wootton doesn't have much new development (and what it has isn't the type of mixed-use development that's now being approved), and it's simply an area with a comparatively stagnant school population.

Just all the more reason that the area needs to be redistricted substantially to reflect the demographics and population trends of 2019, not those of 1970.

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I think the reason for the confusion is that there were two different map rezonings that occurred from Wootton to RM. The first was HH in 1987, and the second was in connection with Fallsgrove opening around 2002 or 2003 (as at that time, it looked like Wootton would be overcapacity and RM would be under - things have changed on that front over the years).

This is a good example of a very bad decision made based on diversity zoning and piss poor capacity planning. Wooton never reached overcapacity and RM is overflowing. Great job MCPS.

I generally agree, but in MCPS's defense, I will say that part of the issue here is that these areas had a big boost in property value between 2002 and 2007, such that the price point for single family homes in these zip codes has made them accessible to a smaller segment of the population. The result, in the case of Wootton, is that you have much wealthier families in these homes than before, which often means parents who have kids later, and frequently have smaller families. If you compare a lot of the Wootton neighborhoods to 30 years ago, there's a lower birth rate and smaller number of students. You combine with the fact that Wootton doesn't have much new development (and what it has isn't the type of mixed-use development that's now being approved), and it's simply an area with a comparatively stagnant school population.

Just all the more reason that the area needs to be redistricted substantially to reflect the demographics and population trends of 2019, not those of 1970.

I thought an issue like this was at the core of the boundary study that is going forward. If schools close together have large enrollment differences, like Dufief and Rachel Carson, there should be a mechanism to balance it out and utilize the available space for the benefit of all the taxpayers. If diversity comes into play, the result will still be actual students being moved from crowded to less crowded conditions.

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Anonymous wrote:Would there be any likely changes to Wootton before Crown becomes relevant? I've heard rumors about changes such as areas going to NW or QO but assumed none of this could happen until Crown became real.

If there is to be any rezoning prior to Crown HS it would be QO areas being rezoned to Wootton, not the other way around. QO is way more overcrowded than Wootton. Same for NW.

NOpe that's not how it works. Before Crown is completely built, there will be a boundary study which includes all 5 clusters and the reassignments will be done in one shot.

Yes... and Wootton areas won't be reassigned to QO or NW which are already overcrowded. As I said *IF* there is rezoning in that area, it would be areas from NW or QO rezoned to W.

When Crown gets built, W areas will get rezoned to Crown.

The point is that W won't get rezoned to QO/NW no matter which way it's sliced.

The point is that nobody knows what will happen in the boundary study.

Depends on where in the cluster you live. There's no way the Potomac kids will be rezoned out of Wootton.

In boundary studies, reassignments can and do happen among any of the schools in the boundary study.

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Anonymous wrote:Would there be any likely changes to Wootton before Crown becomes relevant? I've heard rumors about changes such as areas going to NW or QO but assumed none of this could happen until Crown became real.

If there is to be any rezoning prior to Crown HS it would be QO areas being rezoned to Wootton, not the other way around. QO is way more overcrowded than Wootton. Same for NW.

NOpe that's not how it works. Before Crown is completely built, there will be a boundary study which includes all 5 clusters and the reassignments will be done in one shot.

Yes... and Wootton areas won't be reassigned to QO or NW which are already overcrowded. As I said *IF* there is rezoning in that area, it would be areas from NW or QO rezoned to W.

When Crown gets built, W areas will get rezoned to Crown.

The point is that W won't get rezoned to QO/NW no matter which way it's sliced.

The point is that nobody knows what will happen in the boundary study.

In boundary studies, reassignments can and do happen among any of the schools in the boundary study.

Depends on where in the cluster you live. There's no way the Potomac kids will be rezoned out of Wootton.