Is busing really an option?

[Anonymous]

MCPS already does this. Kids in Darnestown who live closer to QO are bussed up to NW. Now with the new initiative to populate Seneca Valley one of the proposals is to bus the Darnestown kids past QO and NW over to Seneca Valley. Brown Station is its own island and gets bussed down to QO so QO isn't all white/high SES. Its not great for the BS kids because they are isolated and their HS is further from home. MCPS tried very hard to bus kids from GHS into Wootton. Wootton didn't object but the GHS neighborhoods did strongly object to being bussed past their nearby school down to Wootton. It didn't go through because the GHS neighborhoods put up such a huge fit but MCPS was pissed.

It shouldn't be an option because no rational person thinks that bussing is good or works. Even Bernie Sanders has said that taking kids away from their communities to be bussed based on the color of their skin or SES is wrong. He supports integrating communities not bussing kids around. Harris has also come out and said the is not in favor bussing either.

MCPS is not rational. They see this as way to hold off on some schools further declining in scores. They know perfectly well from their own data that bussing a bunch of white kids into a poor performing school does nothing to raise the performance of the low SES kids. What it does do is allow MCPS to hide the failures more. It benefits MCPS even though it hurts the students and the county. Whenever something benefits the central office -even if it hurts everyone else- well that's what they do.

So yes its an option and a very likely one. It will hurt the entire county and benefit no one but MCPS in their own minds. Good time to move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS already does this. Kids in Darnestown who live closer to QO are bussed up to NW. Now with the new initiative to populate Seneca Valley one of the proposals is to bus the Darnestown kids past QO and NW over to Seneca Valley. Brown Station is its own island and gets bussed down to QO so QO isn't all white/high SES. Its not great for the BS kids because they are isolated and their HS is further from home. MCPS tried very hard to bus kids from GHS into Wootton. Wootton didn't object but the GHS neighborhoods did strongly object to being bussed past their nearby school down to Wootton. It didn't go through because the GHS neighborhoods put up such a huge fit but MCPS was pissed.

It shouldn't be an option because no rational person thinks that bussing is good or works. Even Bernie Sanders has said that taking kids away from their communities to be bussed based on the color of their skin or SES is wrong. He supports integrating communities not bussing kids around. Harris has also come out and said the is not in favor bussing either.

MCPS is not rational. They see this as way to hold off on some schools further declining in scores. They know perfectly well from their own data that bussing a bunch of white kids into a poor performing school does nothing to raise the performance of the low SES kids. What it does do is allow MCPS to hide the failures more. It benefits MCPS even though it hurts the students and the county. Whenever something benefits the central office -even if it hurts everyone else- well that's what they do.

So yes its an option and a very likely one. It will hurt the entire county and benefit no one but MCPS in their own minds. Good time to move.

That depends on how you define "busing." So, how do you define "busing"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift.

Ehh... it's like a 10 minute drive. Easy peezy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift.

Ehh... it's like a 10 minute drive. Easy peezy.

Maybe at 3 am.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS already does this. Kids in Darnestown who live closer to QO are bussed up to NW. Now with the new initiative to populate Seneca Valley one of the proposals is to bus the Darnestown kids past QO and NW over to Seneca Valley. Brown Station is its own island and gets bussed down to QO so QO isn't all white/high SES. Its not great for the BS kids because they are isolated and their HS is further from home. MCPS tried very hard to bus kids from GHS into Wootton. Wootton didn't object but the GHS neighborhoods did strongly object to being bussed past their nearby school down to Wootton. It didn't go through because the GHS neighborhoods put up such a huge fit but MCPS was pissed.

It shouldn't be an option because no rational person thinks that bussing is good or works. Even Bernie Sanders has said that taking kids away from their communities to be bussed based on the color of their skin or SES is wrong. He supports integrating communities not bussing kids around. Harris has also come out and said the is not in favor bussing either.

MCPS is not rational. They see this as way to hold off on some schools further declining in scores. They know perfectly well from their own data that bussing a bunch of white kids into a poor performing school does nothing to raise the performance of the low SES kids. What it does do is allow MCPS to hide the failures more. It benefits MCPS even though it hurts the students and the county. Whenever something benefits the central office -even if it hurts everyone else- well that's what they do.

So yes its an option and a very likely one. It will hurt the entire county and benefit no one but MCPS in their own minds. Good time to move.

Brown Station is only an island because they moved Diamond ES from QO to Northwest (when Northwest was built). It used to be contiguous.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, whatever. Busing is already happening near me. But it’s anti-diversity busing: busing white kids from a diverse area way over to a school in a whiter area. I’m looking at you, Town of Kensington. The kids there live much closer to Einstein than lots of kids who go there, but take the bus across town to WJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, whatever. Busing is already happening near me. But it’s anti-diversity busing: busing white kids from a diverse area way over to a school in a whiter area. I’m looking at you, Town of Kensington. The kids there live much closer to Einstein than lots of kids who go there, but take the bus across town to WJ.

Same. I've really come to loathe the "K-Town" boosters, especially the ones who claim to be oh so liberal, and in reality are anything but.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
MCPS already does this. Kids in Darnestown who live closer to QO are bussed up to NW. Now with the new initiative to populate Seneca Valley one of the proposals is to bus the Darnestown kids past QO and NW over to Seneca Valley. Brown Station is its own island and gets bussed down to QO so QO isn't all white/high SES. Its not great for the BS kids because they are isolated and their HS is further from home. MCPS tried very hard to bus kids from GHS into Wootton. Wootton didn't object but the GHS neighborhoods did strongly object to being bussed past their nearby school down to Wootton. It didn't go through because the GHS neighborhoods put up such a huge fit but MCPS was pissed.

It shouldn't be an option because no rational person thinks that bussing is good or works. Even Bernie Sanders has said that taking kids away from their communities to be bussed based on the color of their skin or SES is wrong. He supports integrating communities not bussing kids around. Harris has also come out and said the is not in favor bussing either.

MCPS is not rational. They see this as way to hold off on some schools further declining in scores. They know perfectly well from their own data that bussing a bunch of white kids into a poor performing school does nothing to raise the performance of the low SES kids. What it does do is allow MCPS to hide the failures more. It benefits MCPS even though it hurts the students and the county. Whenever something benefits the central office -even if it hurts everyone else- well that's what they do.

So yes its an option and a very likely one. It will hurt the entire county and benefit no one but MCPS in their own minds. Good time to move.



Brown Station is only an island because they moved Diamond ES from QO to Northwest (when Northwest was built). It used to be contiguous.

This is exactly the problem with busing. Diamond ES was ONLY moved out of QO and into NW to send more higher SES white kids to NW and Brown Station was kept in QO becoming an island because they wanted low SES minority kids at QO. Anytime a school district chooses to spit up contiguous areas to send kids to a different school based on their race its busing and no one likes it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This is exactly the problem with busing. Diamond ES was ONLY moved out of QO and into NW to send more higher SES white kids to NW and Brown Station was kept in QO becoming an island because they wanted low SES minority kids at QO. Anytime a school district chooses to spit up contiguous areas to send kids to a different school based on their race its busing and no one likes it.

A factually incorrect statement.

Maybe nobody you know likes it, but that's different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift.

Ehh... it's like a 10 minute drive. Easy peezy.

Maybe at 3 am.

Mostly Montrose and a short trip on Seven Locks... really not much congestion. This ain't River Road here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in the Churchill district, and moving boundaries will not make much of an impact..

Sure it will... for example, rezone Twinbrook ES to Churchill (not a long ride at all) and check how much the demographics would change.

Twinbrook ES is 5 miles from Churchill. Highly unlikely that would be the school to shift.

Ehh... it's like a 10 minute drive. Easy peezy.

Maybe at 3 am.

Mostly Montrose and a short trip on Seven Locks... really not much congestion. This ain't River Road here.

Twinbrook kids walk to RM, but you want to put them on school buses to Churchill. Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, whatever. Busing is already happening near me. But it’s anti-diversity busing: busing white kids from a diverse area way over to a school in a whiter area. I’m looking at you, Town of Kensington. The kids there live much closer to Einstein than lots of kids who go there, but take the bus across town to WJ.

And both Einstein and WJ are overcrowded. Once Woodward opens, that will solve the overcrowding at both....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Correct. The only proposal on the table is to adjust school boundaries to address a variety of issues, including over/under utilization in adjoining attendance zones AND increasing integration.

Busing is not on the table, and has never been on the table.

Arguably we already have busing since the 1970s. Some of the people who oppose the boundary analysis, citing busing (and/or their property values), have kids who are bused.

Yep. Looking at you WJ cluster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
MCPS already does this. Kids in Darnestown who live closer to QO are bussed up to NW. Now with the new initiative to populate Seneca Valley one of the proposals is to bus the Darnestown kids past QO and NW over to Seneca Valley. Brown Station is its own island and gets bussed down to QO so QO isn't all white/high SES. Its not great for the BS kids because they are isolated and their HS is further from home. MCPS tried very hard to bus kids from GHS into Wootton. Wootton didn't object but the GHS neighborhoods did strongly object to being bussed past their nearby school down to Wootton. It didn't go through because the GHS neighborhoods put up such a huge fit but MCPS was pissed.

It shouldn't be an option because no rational person thinks that bussing is good or works. Even Bernie Sanders has said that taking kids away from their communities to be bussed based on the color of their skin or SES is wrong. He supports integrating communities not bussing kids around. Harris has also come out and said the is not in favor bussing either.

MCPS is not rational. They see this as way to hold off on some schools further declining in scores. They know perfectly well from their own data that bussing a bunch of white kids into a poor performing school does nothing to raise the performance of the low SES kids. What it does do is allow MCPS to hide the failures more. It benefits MCPS even though it hurts the students and the county. Whenever something benefits the central office -even if it hurts everyone else- well that's what they do.

So yes its an option and a very likely one. It will hurt the entire county and benefit no one but MCPS in their own minds. Good time to move.



Brown Station is only an island because they moved Diamond ES from QO to Northwest (when Northwest was built). It used to be contiguous.

This is exactly the problem with busing. Diamond ES was ONLY moved out of QO and into NW to send more higher SES white kids to NW and Brown Station was kept in QO becoming an island because they wanted low SES minority kids at QO. Anytime a school district chooses to spit up contiguous areas to send kids to a different school based on their race its busing and no one likes it.

Town of Kensington folks seem to be perfectly okay with busing and would like to continue busing their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
MCPS already does this. Kids in Darnestown who live closer to QO are bussed up to NW. Now with the new initiative to populate Seneca Valley one of the proposals is to bus the Darnestown kids past QO and NW over to Seneca Valley. Brown Station is its own island and gets bussed down to QO so QO isn't all white/high SES. Its not great for the BS kids because they are isolated and their HS is further from home. MCPS tried very hard to bus kids from GHS into Wootton. Wootton didn't object but the GHS neighborhoods did strongly object to being bussed past their nearby school down to Wootton. It didn't go through because the GHS neighborhoods put up such a huge fit but MCPS was pissed.

It shouldn't be an option because no rational person thinks that bussing is good or works. Even Bernie Sanders has said that taking kids away from their communities to be bussed based on the color of their skin or SES is wrong. He supports integrating communities not bussing kids around. Harris has also come out and said the is not in favor bussing either.

MCPS is not rational. They see this as way to hold off on some schools further declining in scores. They know perfectly well from their own data that bussing a bunch of white kids into a poor performing school does nothing to raise the performance of the low SES kids. What it does do is allow MCPS to hide the failures more. It benefits MCPS even though it hurts the students and the county. Whenever something benefits the central office -even if it hurts everyone else- well that's what they do.

So yes its an option and a very likely one. It will hurt the entire county and benefit no one but MCPS in their own minds. Good time to move.



Brown Station is only an island because they moved Diamond ES from QO to Northwest (when Northwest was built). It used to be contiguous.

This is exactly the problem with busing. Diamond ES was ONLY moved out of QO and into NW to send more higher SES white kids to NW and Brown Station was kept in QO becoming an island because they wanted low SES minority kids at QO. Anytime a school district chooses to spit up contiguous areas to send kids to a different school based on their race its busing and no one likes it.

Town of Kensington folks seem to be perfectly okay with busing and would like to continue busing their children.

why should we pay to bus kinsington kids to far away schools when their are perfectly fine ones nearby