It's now easier to perform an abortion in the state of New York than to legally apply a tattoo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/

If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.

Is this what we want?

It allows nurse practitioners, licensed midwives, and physician assistants to perform some abortions. How is being in one of those categories “easier” than being a tattoo artist?

Being a licensed midwife is just a matter of paying the license fee and passing a simple test.

It's harder to be a tatto artist

Tattoo artists have completed a master’s or higher degree program in midwifery or a related field that is:
* registered by the Department as licensure qualifying; or
* accredited by the American College of Nurse Midwives Division of Accreditation*; or
* determined by the Department to be equivalent of such a registered** or accredited program?

Huh.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/midwife/midwifelic.htm

So nowhere close to being a doctor.

But more educated than a tattoo artist like OP stated.

Also, midwives specialize in maternity care, unlike, say, a tattoo artist or even an internist.

[Anonymous]

If OP is so concerned about full term abortions, then OP really really needs to focus on WV, MS and AK -- states that allow for full term abortions regardless of the mother's health. NY only allows for it when the mother's health is in danger.

[Anonymous]

If you really care about fetuses why don't you raise money to decrease the number of miscarriages. The number has skyrocketed over the past 20 years.

Why not work to stop miscarriages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.




Is this what we want?

Fake news. The New York law just codifies what is in Roe. The existing 1970 New York law was pre-Roe, so it needed to be updated to guard abortion rights in NY if Roe is repealed, instead of reverting to the 1970 law. The New York law also allows for late-term abortion in cases of fetal nonviability or threats to the woman's health.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/new-york-has-finally-updated-its-archaic-abortion-law.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/149800/blue-states-regressive-abortion-laws
https://www.nyclu.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/nyclu_criticalconditions_20170126.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP please give us statistics for how many abortions occur after viability and please tell us the reasons women seek out such abortions at that stage. Real life cases please, not just something you made up.

Until you can discuss these things there is no use taking with you about anything.

If it happens ONCE, that's enough.

So you don’t know of an instance when this has actually happened.

Also, where does the law permit this? Cite please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you really care about fetuses why don't you raise money to decrease the number of miscarriages. The number has skyrocketed over the past 20 years.

Why not work to stop miscarriages?

going further, if they really cared about children they should demand better care for infants and mothers; they should be lining up to foster children, not throwing up roadblocks, like this -

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/780295.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.




Is this what we want?

It allows nurse practitioners, licensed midwives, and physician assistants to perform some abortions. How is being in one of those categories “easier” than being a tattoo artist?

Being a licensed midwife is just a matter of paying the license fee and passing a simple test.

It's harder to be a tatto artist

That’s a flat out lie. You have to complete a rigorous program at the minimum of a master’s degree level with stringent requirements. Read the education requirements.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/midwife/midwifelic.htm

Hogwash.

I personally know two midwifes in Virginia, and neither of them even finished high school.

Don't give this nonsense about "Master's" equivalency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.




Is this what we want?

Fake news. The New York law just codifies what is in Roe. The existing 1970 New York law was pre-Roe, so it needed to be updated to guard abortion rights in NY if Roe is repealed, instead of reverting to the 1970 law. The New York law also allows for late-term abortion in cases of fetal nonviability or threats to the woman's health.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/new-york-has-finally-updated-its-archaic-abortion-law.html
https://newrepublic.com/article/149800/blue-states-regressive-abortion-laws
https://www.nyclu.org/sites/default/files/field_documents/nyclu_criticalconditions_20170126.pdf

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.




Is this what we want?

What is the reference or citation for claiming it is easier to perform an abortion than apply a tattoo?

I am thinking about the licensing and credentialing process for providers for each, and I don't see it. I'd appreciate understanding what is behind this claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.

Is this what we want?

It allows nurse practitioners, licensed midwives, and physician assistants to perform some abortions. How is being in one of those categories “easier” than being a tattoo artist?

Being a licensed midwife is just a matter of paying the license fee and passing a simple test.

It's harder to be a tatto artist

That’s a flat out lie. You have to complete a rigorous program at the minimum of a master’s degree level with stringent requirements. Read the education requirements.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/midwife/midwifelic.htm

Hogwash.

I personally know two midwifes in Virginia, and neither of them even finished high school.

Don't give this nonsense about "Master's" equivalency.

VIRGINIA IS NOT NEW YORK. FILM AT 11.

[Anonymous]

It should be the indivifual pregnant woman's choice and only her choice, not even the father should have a say in her choice. Stop forcing your religious beliefs on others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-passes-abortion-bill-late-term-if-mothers-health-is-at-risk-today-2019-01-23/



If you dive inti the text of the bill, it becomes apparent that it's so much more than just a full term abortion law. It also effectively allows for post birth abortion, and removes medical qualifications for those people who perform abortions.

It's now harder to be a tattoo artist in NY than perform an abortion.

Is this what we want?

It allows nurse practitioners, licensed midwives, and physician assistants to perform some abortions. How is being in one of those categories “easier” than being a tattoo artist?

Being a licensed midwife is just a matter of paying the license fee and passing a simple test.

It's harder to be a tatto artist

That’s a flat out lie. You have to complete a rigorous program at the minimum of a master’s degree level with stringent requirements. Read the education requirements.

http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/midwife/midwifelic.htm

Hogwash.

I personally know two midwifes in Virginia, and neither of them even finished high school.

Don't give this nonsense about "Master's" equivalency.

VIRGINIA IS NOT NEW YORK. FILM AT 11.

Also, there are different categories of midwives. I am not sure the OP is actually comparing the practitioners now legally allowed to perform abortions with tattoo artists, because that is not specified in the link given. it is, however, specified in the bill itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If OP is so concerned about full term abortions, then OP really really needs to focus on WV, MS and AK -- states that allow for full term abortions regardless of the mother's health. NY only allows for it when the mother's health is in danger.

NY used to allow for it when the mother's life was at risk. Now it is simply when her health is endangered.

I wonder how often a woman's mental health will be what is said to be endangered going forward. My mental health is endangered when my kids leave their crap all over the house or an asshole cuts me off in traffic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This crazy NYS law goes waaaay beyond Roe v. Wade.

I am pro-choice and this is NUTZ.

You are also a liar. No pro choice person would dictate the choices women should be able to choose from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If OP is so concerned about full term abortions, then OP really really needs to focus on WV, MS and AK -- states that allow for full term abortions regardless of the mother's health. NY only allows for it when the mother's health is in danger.

NY used to allow for it when the mother's life was at risk. Now it is simply when her health is endangered.

I wonder how often a woman's mental health will be what is said to be endangered going forward. My mental health is endangered when my kids leave their crap all over the house or an asshole cuts me off in traffic.

People like you are fomenting a problem where it doesn't exist.

Women don't get late-term abortions willy-nilly. They are heartbreaking events for the women who seek them out for very painful reasons, and FU for making light of them.