RM Cluster Overcrowding?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Isn't that the law? They can't continue building after the school hits 120% of capacity?

No, it's not, at least not for the county. If your development has already been approved, you can continue building. New development can't be approved once the area is in moratorium. In fact, the Planning Department can't even accept development applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Isn't that the law? They can't continue building after the school hits 120% of capacity?

No, it's not, at least not for the county. If your development has already been approved, you can continue building. New development can't be approved once the area is in moratorium. In fact, the Planning Department can't even accept development applications.

So if the area is about to go into moratorium, everyone will rush and put in their requests under the wire, even if they don't plan on building for a decade....makes sense!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Isn't that the law? They can't continue building after the school hits 120% of capacity?

No, it's not, at least not for the county. If your development has already been approved, you can continue building. New development can't be approved once the area is in moratorium. In fact, the Planning Department can't even accept development applications.

So if the area is about to go into moratorium, everyone will rush and put in their requests under the wire, even if they don't plan on building for a decade....makes sense!

But everyone can't get their request approved, because that puts the area into moratorium.

It's true, though, that there can be a lag between approval and actual building. Or sometimes projects get approved but never built.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Isn't that the law? They can't continue building after the school hits 120% of capacity?

No, it's not, at least not for the county. If your development has already been approved, you can continue building. New development can't be approved once the area is in moratorium. In fact, the Planning Department can't even accept development applications.

So if the area is about to go into moratorium, everyone will rush and put in their requests under the wire, even if they don't plan on building for a decade....makes sense!

But everyone can't get their request approved, because that puts the area into moratorium.

It's true, though, that there can be a lag between approval and actual building. Or sometimes projects get approved but never built.

I am sure you mean not everyone can get their request approved. Moratorium isn't retroactive though, as you pointed out.... Approvals could already be in the system.

[Anonymous]

The MCPS planning department is notoriously wrong in its projections. They recently changed their formulas which oddly make it look like some schools are exploding and others in areas with lots of development and already at capacity will be under capacity. It really looks like they are screwing with the numbers for their own purposes. The DCC fell victim to this 10 years ago. This is now playing out in other areas too.

My guess is that they want to move some the UMC people in RM over into Rockville HS to bump up the scores there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The MCPS planning department is notoriously wrong in its projections. They recently changed their formulas which oddly make it look like some schools are exploding and others in areas with lots of development and already at capacity will be under capacity. It really looks like they are screwing with the numbers for their own purposes. The DCC fell victim to this 10 years ago. This is now playing out in other areas too.

My guess is that they want to move some the UMC people in RM over into Rockville HS to bump up the scores there.

? How would this happen? Are you saying that they are purposely causing RM to be so crowded that they will have to rezone to Rockville HS? Actually, parts of RM cluster will rezone to Crown HS, however, this won't happen until several years from now. T

If you look at the map in one of the links you'll note that areas around the metro line are the most crowded and have the most development in the works, including RM cluster.

Also, Rockville HS is close to over capacity and projected to be over capacity in a couple of years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The issue is that ES is K-5 so incoming Kers in the next two years will still be in ES when the next crop from the new development comes in. Also, as a PP noted, the MS and HS become over capacity. Per MCPS, JWMS will be over capacity in five years, and this is *after* they expanded JW a few years ago. JWMS is one of the largest MS in the county - over 1400 capacity. That is bigger than some HS in the county. MS shouldn't be *that* big.

Either Beall has the capacity, or Beall doesn't have the capacity, no?

According to the at-a-glance from last year, Julius West was projected to be under capacity at least through 2023-2024. Richard Montgomery is currently over capacity and was projected last year to continue being over capacity at least through 2023-2024, but part of the plan for the new high school at Crown is to add high school capacity for the area.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. The city of Rockville shouldn't allow the buildings to be built? MCPS should build more (and smaller) schools? The city of Rockville shouldn't allow the buildings to be built until MCPS has built new schools for the students from those buildings to go to?

You are kind of dense.

There is a capacity issue *NOW*. Why are they building more when they can't even accommodate the number of students *NOW*, and when their own projections show that RM/JW will continue to be over capacity in the future.

[Anonymous]

Evidently the Rockville council is going to have a meeting on Dec 17 to allow continued development at Twinbrook and the town center even if schools go over 120%. The city is wants continued development at its mixed use locations which makes sense to me.

[Anonymous]

The CIP numbers that the Planning Board (MC, not Rockville) uses come from MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You are kind of dense.

There is a capacity issue *NOW*. Why are they building more when they can't even accommodate the number of students *NOW*, and when their own projections show that RM/JW will continue to be over capacity in the future.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/planning/cipmaster.aspx

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CIP numbers that the Planning Board (MC, not Rockville) uses come from MCPS.

No, that’s for The rest of the county. Rockville has its own council and mayor. It sets its own rules. In fact, until a couple years ago Rockville didn’t allow new construction when schools reached 110% while the rest of the county was 120%. See, the city of Rockville can be far more responsive than the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

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School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

[Anonymous]

From the former mayor of Rockville’s blog. Taxes may be a little higher in Rockville but you get more representation by people living near you. I’m sorry you don’t understand county vs city government rules in Maryland but this should help.
http://larrygiammo.com/2014/11/20/rockvilles-apfo/

One of the great things about living in the City of Rockville is that the City government has land use authority, meaning that the City government has complete control over what gets built in the City and, ultimately, how growth and new development impact our quality of life. In most of the rest of Montgomery County, the County government’s laws and regulations apply

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

True, Rockville has it’s planning and development regulations. But the City Council voted a few years ago to change its standards so they align with Montgomery County. The ciry’s old rules were stricter regarding building moratoriums and school capacity. I think the moratorium was triggered at 110% enrollment. It was controversial decision. Now we’re seeing the results.

Look, I got an email about the upcoming council meeting. They’re going to change the rules for the town center and twinbrook so mixed use development can continue. I’m all for it. If anything it will make Rockville more attractive while other parts of the county start to stall out.

What?

Correct me if I understood it right.

IN 2015 - Rockville Council members voted to allow 120% capacity from previous cap at 110%
IN 2015 - Rockville COuncil members voted to allow averaging entire cluster rather than stopping any school to go above 120%.

Now you are saying that they are going to allow constructions in TC and TB even if schools are over capacity by 120%?

That's as crappy as it can get. It makes zero sense.