RM Cluster Overcrowding?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

Plus 69 kids added to Beall is a lot. Beall can absorb it since the new school took 300 kids from Bealll but they also got rid of most of their portables. Total enrollment will be in the mid to low 500’s...so adding 69 kids is a 10% increase in a short period of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

Yes, and? If they stay, then those children will eventually go on to elementary school, while the elementary school students go on to middle school, the middle-school students go on to high school, the high school students graduate from MCPS... That's how it works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

Yes, and? If they stay, then those children will eventually go on to elementary school, while the elementary school students go on to middle school, the middle-school students go on to high school, the high school students graduate from MCPS... That's how it works.

I’m confused, are you saying schools won’t go over the 120% limit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Plus 69 kids added to Beall is a lot. Beall can absorb it since the new school took 300 kids from Bealll but they also got rid of most of their portables. Total enrollment will be in the mid to low 500’s...so adding 69 kids is a 10% increase in a short period of time.

OK, then what's the issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Plus 69 kids added to Beall is a lot. Beall can absorb it since the new school took 300 kids from Bealll but they also got rid of most of their portables. Total enrollment will be in the mid to low 500’s...so adding 69 kids is a 10% increase in a short period of time.

OK, then what's the issue?

I don't think the issue is Beall because, as mentioned, a new ES was opened. The issue is the MS/HS. BTW, adding this many kids to Beall will put it at around 100% capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

Plus 69 kids added to Beall is a lot. Beall can absorb it since the new school took 300 kids from Bealll but they also got rid of most of their portables. Total enrollment will be in the mid to low 500’s...so adding 69 kids is a 10% increase in a short period of time.

Beall picked up kids from College Gardens as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

Yes, and? If they stay, then those children will eventually go on to elementary school, while the elementary school students go on to middle school, the middle-school students go on to high school, the high school students graduate from MCPS... That's how it works.

The issue is that ES is K-5 so incoming Kers in the next two years will still be in ES when the next crop from the new development comes in. Also, as a PP noted, the MS and HS become over capacity. Per MCPS, JWMS will be over capacity in five years, and this is *after* they expanded JW a few years ago. JWMS is one of the largest MS in the county - over 1400 capacity. That is bigger than some HS in the county. MS shouldn't be *that* big.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, Rockville Town Center is adding 710 units in the near future. 18 of which are for the disabled. That 692 new units coming online in the next few years. They will all be assigned to Beall/JW/RM.

A minimum of 18 of which are for people with disabilities.

But, ok, 692 new units. Assuming that they're high-rise buildings (I think that the county Planning Department considers 5 or more stories to be high-rise), and applying the county generation rates for the southwest region even though it's a City of Rockville development, we get:

69 elementary students (0.099 per unit)
27 middle-school students (0.039 per unit)
35 high school students (0.051 per unit)

Many of the young, childless couples who live in those condos will eventually go on to have children.

Yes, and? If they stay, then those children will eventually go on to elementary school, while the elementary school students go on to middle school, the middle-school students go on to high school, the high school students graduate from MCPS... That's how it works.

The issue is that ES is K-5 so incoming Kers in the next two years will still be in ES when the next crop from the new development comes in. Also, as a PP noted, the MS and HS become over capacity. Per MCPS, JWMS will be over capacity in five years, and this is *after* they expanded JW a few years ago. JWMS is one of the largest MS in the county - over 1400 capacity. That is bigger than some HS in the county. MS shouldn't be *that* big.

Maybe they will reassign Twinbrook ES from RM to Woodward cluster?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The issue is that ES is K-5 so incoming Kers in the next two years will still be in ES when the next crop from the new development comes in. Also, as a PP noted, the MS and HS become over capacity. Per MCPS, JWMS will be over capacity in five years, and this is *after* they expanded JW a few years ago. JWMS is one of the largest MS in the county - over 1400 capacity. That is bigger than some HS in the county. MS shouldn't be *that* big.

Either Beall has the capacity, or Beall doesn't have the capacity, no?

According to the at-a-glance from last year, Julius West was projected to be under capacity at least through 2023-2024. Richard Montgomery is currently over capacity and was projected last year to continue being over capacity at least through 2023-2024, but part of the plan for the new high school at Crown is to add high school capacity for the area.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. The city of Rockville shouldn't allow the buildings to be built? MCPS should build more (and smaller) schools? The city of Rockville shouldn't allow the buildings to be built until MCPS has built new schools for the students from those buildings to go to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The issue is that ES is K-5 so incoming Kers in the next two years will still be in ES when the next crop from the new development comes in. Also, as a PP noted, the MS and HS become over capacity. Per MCPS, JWMS will be over capacity in five years, and this is *after* they expanded JW a few years ago. JWMS is one of the largest MS in the county - over 1400 capacity. That is bigger than some HS in the county. MS shouldn't be *that* big.

Either Beall has the capacity, or Beall doesn't have the capacity, no?

According to the at-a-glance from last year, Julius West was projected to be under capacity at least through 2023-2024. Richard Montgomery is currently over capacity and was projected last year to continue being over capacity at least through 2023-2024, but part of the plan for the new high school at Crown is to add high school capacity for the area.

I don't understand what you're arguing for. The city of Rockville shouldn't allow the buildings to be built? MCPS should build more (and smaller) schools? The city of Rockville shouldn't allow the buildings to be built until MCPS has built new schools for the students from those buildings to go to?

Nope, MCPS redid their capacity planning, and JWMS is projected to be over capacity in 2024

Check Appendix towards the end.

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/B6Q4S577EE2D/$file/181108%20Boundaries%20Facilities%20Hearing%20Follow-up%20Qs.pdf

I'm arguing for Rockville to stop building until they can get school capacity under control, especially for RMHS. So yes, until Crown is built to alleviate over crowding at RMHS, they need to stop building housing units.

BTW that same link shows RPES at over capacity now and in 5 years time, and this is even with the new ES now operating.

[Anonymous]

Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

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School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Nope, MCPS redid their capacity planning, and JWMS is projected to be over capacity in 2024

Check Appendix towards the end.

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/B6Q4S577EE2D/$file/181108%20Boundaries%20Facilities%20Hearing%20Follow-up%20Qs.pdf

I'm arguing for Rockville to stop building until they can get school capacity under control, especially for RMHS. So yes, until Crown is built to alleviate over crowding at RMHS, they need to stop building housing units.

BTW that same link shows RPES at over capacity now and in 5 years time, and this is even with the new ES now operating.

You're saying that you want MCPS to build the schools before Rockville approves further residential building where students who will attend those schools will live?

Why do you think that's a good idea, from the point of view of the city and county overall? Of course from the point of view of a person who already lives there and has a child in the school, it's great. It's kind of like how the lack of traffic on the roads during an economic downturn is great, if you're a person who still has a job.

Also, turnover of existing residences is a major factor in increasing enrollment. Do you also want Rockville to ban sales/rentals of existing residences until MCPS has build the school buildings? If not, why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even MCPS thinks Rockville needs to slow down building new residences:

http://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/20180621AnnualSchoolTestPBPres.pdf

Page 47

School Queue Overview
The following cluster/school service areas are close to triggering [building] moratoria:
Richard Montgomery Cluster – 15 high school students

No, this isn't MCPS. It's the Montgomery County Planning Department. Since the Montgomery County Planning Board approves development applications in the parts of Montgomery County that are under their jurisdiction, they need to know which areas are close to triggering building moratoriums.

What's more, Rockville is not under the jurisdiction of the Montgomery County Planning Board. Rockville (meaning, the area within the boundaries of the incorporated City of Rockville) has its own planning and development authority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Nope, MCPS redid their capacity planning, and JWMS is projected to be over capacity in 2024

Check Appendix towards the end.

https://www.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/B6Q4S577EE2D/$file/181108%20Boundaries%20Facilities%20Hearing%20Follow-up%20Qs.pdf

I'm arguing for Rockville to stop building until they can get school capacity under control, especially for RMHS. So yes, until Crown is built to alleviate over crowding at RMHS, they need to stop building housing units.

BTW that same link shows RPES at over capacity now and in 5 years time, and this is even with the new ES now operating.

You're saying that you want MCPS to build the schools before Rockville approves further residential building where students who will attend those schools will live?

Why do you think that's a good idea, from the point of view of the city and county overall? Of course from the point of view of a person who already lives there and has a child in the school, it's great. It's kind of like how the lack of traffic on the roads during an economic downturn is great, if you're a person who still has a job.

Also, turnover of existing residences is a major factor in increasing enrollment. Do you also want Rockville to ban sales/rentals of existing residences until MCPS has build the school buildings? If not, why not?

Isn't that the law? They can't continue building after the school hits 120% of capacity?