Update on Harvard Lawsuit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't care, do u?

Yes, i care about the equitable treatment of all applicants....what sort of mindless imbecile wouldn't?

This isn't about equitable treatment of all applicants, it's about keeping blacks and Hispanics out in favor of races that Trump has deemed preferable.

Try to keep up.....blacks and hispanics already get a significant handicap on admissions. The suit is about discrimination against qualified asian-american applicants.

If these plaintiffs prevail, the effect will be to disproportionately push blacks and Hispanics out of these schools. That's why so many Asian people are opposed to this lawsuit, because they don't want their admissions to come at the expense of disadvantaged groups, and even those who don't care about that per se know how bad a look it is for them.

Why is that? Stoping discriminating Asian students doesn't mean other groups have to be discriminated. It's strange to think a race-neutral policy will push blacks and latinos out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard counts values of Applicants into mix. How is that AA?

True example my elderly neighbor across street on Tuesday fell and ambulence and police showed up. My wife and kids went over help and my neighbor also. We offered to check mail, get groceries help out while wife in hospital. Husband is an elderly Vet whose kids live out of state.

The two Chinese family with kids radio silence. Violin, Piano, Clubs at school, volunteer activity that will look good on college application interest them. No credit they don't get involved.

So Harvard looks a bit deeper at application to find empathic kind people who are good citizens but those metrics are letting in better people but folks who may have slightly lower GPAs. How is it racist. My Chinese neighbor kids could have helped and put it in college essay.

As an Asian I totally agree that the Chinese family should have pitched in. Maybe if elite schools did not discriminate against them as much as they do, that family would have.

As a matter of common sense, I don't think Harvard should care about how nice you are or how social you are to admit you to an ACADEMIC program. Look at all the nice, social people that went through Harvard and what they do in real life after college. Most pretend to get in. Most are A-holes a few years after they get out. Harvard pretends it has "holistic" criteria for admission that in reality discriminates against people of a certain ilk. It's time to kill that game or at least not subsidize it with taxpayer money.

If this was the Harvard School of Receptionistology or Housewifery, I can understand..

It's nice that you feel that way, but it's irrelevant here because, regardless of what happens with this suit, Harvard is a private institution with a fair amount of latitude to decide which criteria it wants to use in making admissions determinations. Your narrow-minded view of what college can/should be isn't universally held.

As always, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine. However, I'd like to have a say in how MY tax dollars are spent. Harvard is always welcome to decline any tax breaks or other federal funds and do what they please. See if I care..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard counts values of Applicants into mix. How is that AA?

True example my elderly neighbor across street on Tuesday fell and ambulence and police showed up. My wife and kids went over help and my neighbor also. We offered to check mail, get groceries help out while wife in hospital. Husband is an elderly Vet whose kids live out of state.

The two Chinese family with kids radio silence. Violin, Piano, Clubs at school, volunteer activity that will look good on college application interest them. No credit they don't get involved.

So Harvard looks a bit deeper at application to find empathic kind people who are good citizens but those metrics are letting in better people but folks who may have slightly lower GPAs. How is it racist. My Chinese neighbor kids could have helped and put it in college essay.

As an Asian I totally agree that the Chinese family should have pitched in. Maybe if elite schools did not discriminate against them as much as they do, that family would have.

As a matter of common sense, I don't think Harvard should care about how nice you are or how social you are to admit you to an ACADEMIC program. Look at all the nice, social people that went through Harvard and what they do in real life after college. Most pretend to get in. Most are A-holes a few years after they get out. Harvard pretends it has "holistic" criteria for admission that in reality discriminates against people of a certain ilk. It's time to kill that game or at least not subsidize it with taxpayer money.

If this was the Harvard School of Receptionistology or Housewifery, I can understand..

I've often wondered if this is the case. Schools discriminate against Asian candidates, so Asian candidates try even harder to boost stats causing schools to discriminate even more. Never ending cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't care, do u?

Yes, i care about the equitable treatment of all applicants....what sort of mindless imbecile wouldn't?

This isn't about equitable treatment of all applicants, it's about keeping blacks and Hispanics out in favor of races that Trump has deemed preferable.

Try to keep up.....blacks and hispanics already get a significant handicap on admissions. The suit is about discrimination against qualified asian-american applicants.

If these plaintiffs prevail, the effect will be to disproportionately push blacks and Hispanics out of these schools. That's why so many Asian people are opposed to this lawsuit, because they don't want their admissions to come at the expense of disadvantaged groups, and even those who don't care about that per se know how bad a look it is for them.

Why is that? Stoping discriminating Asian students doesn't mean other groups have to be discriminated. It's strange to think a race-neutral policy will push blacks and latinos out.

Why don't you go educate yourself on the history and intent behind affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't care, do u?

Yes, i care about the equitable treatment of all applicants....what sort of mindless imbecile wouldn't?

This isn't about equitable treatment of all applicants, it's about keeping blacks and Hispanics out in favor of races that Trump has deemed preferable.

Try to keep up.....blacks and hispanics already get a significant handicap on admissions. The suit is about discrimination against qualified asian-american applicants.

If these plaintiffs prevail, the effect will be to disproportionately push blacks and Hispanics out of these schools. That's why so many Asian people are opposed to this lawsuit, because they don't want their admissions to come at the expense of disadvantaged groups, and even those who don't care about that per se know how bad a look it is for them.

Why is that? Stoping discriminating Asian students doesn't mean other groups have to be discriminated. It's strange to think a race-neutral policy will push blacks and latinos out.

Blacks and latinos currently are subjected to lower standards than the rest of the applicant pool so that the college can meet its racial quotas. If admissions were a true meritocracy like in Europe or to a lesser degree the UCal system, more asians would be admitted and fewer blacks and latinos would....because of, you know....qualifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't care, do u?

Yes, i care about the equitable treatment of all applicants....what sort of mindless imbecile wouldn't?

This isn't about equitable treatment of all applicants, it's about keeping blacks and Hispanics out in favor of races that Trump has deemed preferable.

Try to keep up.....blacks and hispanics already get a significant handicap on admissions. The suit is about discrimination against qualified asian-american applicants.

If these plaintiffs prevail, the effect will be to disproportionately push blacks and Hispanics out of these schools. That's why so many Asian people are opposed to this lawsuit, because they don't want their admissions to come at the expense of disadvantaged groups, and even those who don't care about that per se know how bad a look it is for them.

Why is that? Stoping discriminating Asian students doesn't mean other groups have to be discriminated. It's strange to think a race-neutral policy will push blacks and latinos out.

Blacks and latinos currently are subjected to lower standards than the rest of the applicant pool so that the college can meet its racial quotas. If admissions were a true meritocracy like in Europe or to a lesser degree the UCal system, more asians would be admitted and fewer blacks and latinos would....because of, you know....qualifications.

And fewer non-legacy whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't care, do u?

Yes, i care about the equitable treatment of all applicants....what sort of mindless imbecile wouldn't?

This isn't about equitable treatment of all applicants, it's about keeping blacks and Hispanics out in favor of races that Trump has deemed preferable.

Try to keep up.....blacks and hispanics already get a significant handicap on admissions. The suit is about discrimination against qualified asian-american applicants.

If these plaintiffs prevail, the effect will be to disproportionately push blacks and Hispanics out of these schools. That's why so many Asian people are opposed to this lawsuit, because they don't want their admissions to come at the expense of disadvantaged groups, and even those who don't care about that per se know how bad a look it is for them.

Why is that? Stoping discriminating Asian students doesn't mean other groups have to be discriminated. It's strange to think a race-neutral policy will push blacks and latinos out.

Blacks and latinos currently are subjected to lower standards than the rest of the applicant pool so that the college can meet its racial quotas. If admissions were a true meritocracy like in Europe or to a lesser degree the UCal system, more asians would be admitted and fewer blacks and latinos would....because of, you know....qualifications.

And fewer non-legacy whites.

Nope not fewer non-legacy whites

Start on page 106 exhibit 35 and keep going really fascinating stuff

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/diverse-education/files/expert_report_-_2017-12-15_dr._david_card_expert_report_updated_confid_desigs_redacted.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don't care, do u?

Yes, i care about the equitable treatment of all applicants....what sort of mindless imbecile wouldn't?

This isn't about equitable treatment of all applicants, it's about keeping blacks and Hispanics out in favor of races that Trump has deemed preferable.

Try to keep up.....blacks and hispanics already get a significant handicap on admissions. The suit is about discrimination against qualified asian-american applicants.

If these plaintiffs prevail, the effect will be to disproportionately push blacks and Hispanics out of these schools. That's why so many Asian people are opposed to this lawsuit, because they don't want their admissions to come at the expense of disadvantaged groups, and even those who don't care about that per se know how bad a look it is for them.

so basically, it's admitting that Asian American students are discriminated against, and Blacks and Latinos don't have to study as hard. And spare me the "they are economically disadvantaged argument". There are plenty of not so poor Black and Latinos who have the same educational opportunities as many Asian American students. But these affluent Black/Latino students don't have to work as hard as the Asian American students in the same economic class.

How is this not discrimination? Base the affirmative action purely on SES, not on race.

[Anonymous]

Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

Excellent job at stating the obvious. And bonus points for casual racism insinuating that Asians are only excellent at academics. Utter imbecile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

Noble indeed! Why not do it on their own dime instead of taking taxes I PAY to fund their social adventures? Let Harvard come out and give up their non-profit status and decline ALL federal and state funding. Most of us will stop posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

Excellent job at stating the obvious. And bonus points for casual racism insinuating that Asians are only excellent at academics. Utter imbecile.

The car, plane, light bulb, internet, nuclear power all must have been invented by Asians. They are so smart

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

Excellent job at stating the obvious. And bonus points for casual racism insinuating that Asians are only excellent at academics. Utter imbecile.

The car, plane, light bulb, internet, nuclear power all must have been invented by Asians. They are so smart

You're embarrassing yourself with your stupidity but you're likely too stupid to realize it. Oh, and if you have wifi in your trailer you might want to research gunpowder, the compass and printing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

Excellent job at stating the obvious. And bonus points for casual racism insinuating that Asians are only excellent at academics. Utter imbecile.

The car, plane, light bulb, internet, nuclear power all must have been invented by Asians. They are so smart

You're embarrassing yourself with your stupidity but you're likely too stupid to realize it. Oh, and if you have wifi in your trailer you might want to research gunpowder, the compass and printing

FFS, people getting into a pissing contest about which race is smarter.

In the US, every aspect of society - from politics to mainstream media - has been controlled by white people. So, it's kind of hard for non white people to take on leadership roles historically Bamboo ceiling is just one example. That is changing, slowly. Look at some of the leaders in high tech; more and more Asian Americans entering politics. More and more Asians in our media.

Asian American population is small, so it's kind of hard for Asian americans to stand out as leaders. Maybe Harvard should allow in more Asian Americans so more of them will be trained by Harvard to enter into leadership roles. Now, there's an equalizer. We have enough white people in leadership roles, many who are corrupt and inept.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and other top schools have always made it clear that they are looking at much more than just academics. Harvard is about creating leaders, not only academic scholars, so they need to look at far more than just test scores and grades.

Excellent job at stating the obvious. And bonus points for casual racism insinuating that Asians are only excellent at academics. Utter imbecile.

The car, plane, light bulb, internet, nuclear power all must have been invented by Asians. They are so smart

You're embarrassing yourself with your stupidity but you're likely too stupid to realize it. Oh, and if you have wifi in your trailer you might want to research gunpowder, the compass and printing

FFS, people getting into a pissing contest about which race is smarter.

In the US, every aspect of society - from politics to mainstream media - has been controlled by white people. So, it's kind of hard for non white people to take on leadership roles historically Bamboo ceiling is just one example. That is changing, slowly. Look at some of the leaders in high tech; more and more Asian Americans entering politics. More and more Asians in our media.

Asian American population is small, so it's kind of hard for Asian americans to stand out as leaders. Maybe Harvard should allow in more Asian Americans so more of them will be trained by Harvard to enter into leadership roles. Now, there's an equalizer. We have enough white people in leadership roles, many who are corrupt and inept.

there are less jews than asians in the us but there are a shit ton of jews in leadership positions.

how do you explain that?