Husband confessed to killing pregnant wife and their two daughters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking her friend knew their marriage had issues. I don’t think any of my friends would be alarmed if I didn’t respond for a few hours and missed a doctor appointment.

Maybe she was just an exceptionally good friend. Someone mentioned that her family took in the murderous husband after the wife and kids disappeared. Doubt that she would have done it if she suspected him of anything. But I agree, my friends wouldn't be alarmed either, I think. Dropped her off at 2 am and was alarmed by lunch the next day and took action. A really good friend.

No, he stayed with different friends. The one who reported her missing has remained unnamed. Nicholas and Amanda Thayer are the ones he stayed with.

Ok, I didn't realize it was a different friend. Thanks for clarifying! Then maybe she knew enough to be alarmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I bet he killed her because she told him the third kid wasn't his, and that she was leaving him for her AP, the father of #3.

I don't know. One article I read mentioned that her neighbor/friend (who is actually the wife of the couple who let him stay with them after his wife & daughters went missing; they've now spoken out to apologize for defending him) said that she (Shannan, that is) had confided last week that she suspected her husband of infidelity. But has then elaborated something like "but he has no game so I don't know..."

Another theory I wonder about is that maybe he snapped and did something to one or both of the girls while she was away on her trip and he was (presumably) watching them. After killing one kid, there's not much you can do to "go back"...

Re people hating on her for being part of a MLM, stop. This is no time to victim shame. However, I do think it's potentially pertinent in that some articles seem to be latching onto the fact that they had filed for bankruptcy several years ago, but that the family's financial state "seems to have taken a turn" lately based on all the traveling the family had done, often paid for fully by Shannan's company. Anyone who knows anything about MLMs knows that is utter bullshit. It's also relevant in that (to me) it essentially means everything in her social media posts should be taken with a grain of salt, because she was likely especially prone i playing up and exaggerating the positives

Nobody just snaps and kills their kids or wife. There is always a history of escalating threats, violence, and abuse. Gavin de Becker's Mosaic website is a great tool to determine if you or someone you know could be in danger:

https://www.mosaicmethod.com/

I agree with this. If she's anything like me and other women I know, she may have felt safe enough to quit her hospital job and then was fighting to get out, so thought she could raise her kids while making a slow plan to get out. My emotionally abusive husband saw every step I took, even when I was being fun-loving and free about it, and did enough to stop almost everything. The closer I got to leaving, the more the fights escalated. I read one of those People stories where it mentions she told him she was going to stay with a friend. It sounded like for a day, and that's where the friend who checked up on her knew there was trouble so quickly. She may have told him she was leaving if he confronted her Monday morning. She had been gone with parents for 3-6 weeks, came back for 2 days, and then was gone on a business trip. He may have waited up for her and had decided to stop it all.

I am also floating a theory I have no basis on, but it's possible the "good friend" knew there was trouble, because she could have been the one he was having an affair with. Probably not, I'm just trying to make sense of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet he killed her because she told him the third kid wasn't his, and that she was leaving him for her AP, the father of #3.

I don't know. One article I read mentioned that her neighbor/friend (who is actually the wife of the couple who let him stay with them after his wife & daughters went missing; they've now spoken out to apologize for defending him) said that she (Shannan, that is) had confided last week that she suspected her husband of infidelity. But has then elaborated something like "but he has no game so I don't know..."

Another theory I wonder about is that maybe he snapped and did something to one or both of the girls while she was away on her trip and he was (presumably) watching them. After killing one kid, there's not much you can do to "go back"...

Re people hating on her for being part of a MLM, stop. This is no time to victim shame. However, I do think it's potentially pertinent in that some articles seem to be latching onto the fact that they had filed for bankruptcy several years ago, but that the family's financial state "seems to have taken a turn" lately based on all the traveling the family had done, often paid for fully by Shannan's company. Anyone who knows anything about MLMs knows that is utter bullshit. It's also relevant in that (to me) it essentially means everything in her social media posts should be taken with a grain of salt, because she was likely especially prone i playing up and exaggerating the positives

Nobody just snaps and kills their kids or wife. There is always a history of escalating threats, violence, and abuse. Gavin de Becker's Mosaic website is a great tool to determine if you or someone you know could be in danger:

https://www.mosaicmethod.com/

I agree with this. If she's anything like me and other women I know, she may have felt safe enough to quit her hospital job and then was fighting to get out, so thought she could raise her kids while making a slow plan to get out. My emotionally abusive husband saw every step I took, even when I was being fun-loving and free about it, and did enough to stop almost everything. The closer I got to leaving, the more the fights escalated. I read one of those People stories where it mentions she told him she was going to stay with a friend. It sounded like for a day, and that's where the friend who checked up on her knew there was trouble so quickly. She may have told him she was leaving if he confronted her Monday morning. She had been gone with parents for 3-6 weeks, came back for 2 days, and then was gone on a business trip. He may have waited up for her and had decided to stop it all.

I am also floating a theory I have no basis on, but it's possible the "good friend" knew there was trouble, because she could have been the one he was having an affair with. Probably not, I'm just trying to make sense of it.

Men kill their entire families with some regularity. There's even a name for it. While never expected, it does happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet he killed her because she told him the third kid wasn't his, and that she was leaving him for her AP, the father of #3.

I don't know. One article I read mentioned that her neighbor/friend (who is actually the wife of the couple who let him stay with them after his wife & daughters went missing; they've now spoken out to apologize for defending him) said that she (Shannan, that is) had confided last week that she suspected her husband of infidelity. But has then elaborated something like "but he has no game so I don't know..."

Another theory I wonder about is that maybe he snapped and did something to one or both of the girls while she was away on her trip and he was (presumably) watching them. After killing one kid, there's not much you can do to "go back"...

Re people hating on her for being part of a MLM, stop. This is no time to victim shame. However, I do think it's potentially pertinent in that some articles seem to be latching onto the fact that they had filed for bankruptcy several years ago, but that the family's financial state "seems to have taken a turn" lately based on all the traveling the family had done, often paid for fully by Shannan's company. Anyone who knows anything about MLMs knows that is utter bullshit. It's also relevant in that (to me) it essentially means everything in her social media posts should be taken with a grain of salt, because she was likely especially prone i playing up and exaggerating the positives

Nobody just snaps and kills their kids or wife. There is always a history of escalating threats, violence, and abuse. Gavin de Becker's Mosaic website is a great tool to determine if you or someone you know could be in danger:

https://www.mosaicmethod.com/

I agree with this. If she's anything like me and other women I know, she may have felt safe enough to quit her hospital job and then was fighting to get out, so thought she could raise her kids while making a slow plan to get out. My emotionally abusive husband saw every step I took, even when I was being fun-loving and free about it, and did enough to stop almost everything. The closer I got to leaving, the more the fights escalated. I read one of those People stories where it mentions she told him she was going to stay with a friend. It sounded like for a day, and that's where the friend who checked up on her knew there was trouble so quickly. She may have told him she was leaving if he confronted her Monday morning. She had been gone with parents for 3-6 weeks, came back for 2 days, and then was gone on a business trip. He may have waited up for her and had decided to stop it all.

I am also floating a theory I have no basis on, but it's possible the "good friend" knew there was trouble, because she could have been the one he was having an affair with. Probably not, I'm just trying to make sense of it.

She went to stay with her parents for 6 weeks (so for the summer basically), which I thought was weird but whatever.

She came back the weekend prior to the week she died. Cleaned the house and did regular stuff Mon-Thurs.

On Friday she left again for a two-day business trip and left the girls with him.

When she came back Sunday is when she died.

So why come back at all? If you're going to spend two months with your parents just stay gone. Or did she come back to enroll her kids in school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

Stangling one person in the 'spur of the moment'...okay.

But three people? Its not a quick enough method that one of the girls wouldn't have gotten away if that was the case.

[Anonymous]

Criminal Minds= White Male.

Why is that? How are the moms and dads failing in nurturing normal White boys? With all the privilege that they get in life and to piss it away like this?

[Anonymous]

The guy looked so creepy on tv. I'm someone (as a lawyer) who always suspects the husband first since most murders are known to the criminal.

So tragic! Grosses me out to think of the horror. It does bother me here that so many people are trying to analyze the wife's actions. She was the victim. Let's remember that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

Stangling one person in the 'spur of the moment'...okay.

But three people? Its not a quick enough method that one of the girls wouldn't have gotten away if that was the case.

It probably wasn't all three at the same time in the spur of the moment. Maybe there was an accident with one of the kids and the mother refused to help him cover up and he snapped or he killed the kids to get at the mother and finished her when she got home and found out. And they were so young, no way they could have gotten away in a locked house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

Stangling one person in the 'spur of the moment'...okay.

But three people? Its not a quick enough method that one of the girls wouldn't have gotten away if that was the case.

It probably wasn't all three at the same time in the spur of the moment. Maybe there was an accident with one of the kids and the mother refused to help him cover up and he snapped or he killed the kids to get at the mother and finished her when she got home and found out. And they were so young, no way they could have gotten away in a locked house.

Yes, but it was 2:00am. He was out of the house by 5:00am.

You think he argued with the mother for thirty minutes and then strangled her (5 minutes for a struggling adult) and then ran after the other kid for 5-10 minutes and strangled them in 1-2 minutes.

Leaving him...2 hours to think up the perfect disposal plan, pick up, carry and deposit bodies in his car, lock up/turn off lights, high-tail it to his work address which is 24 minutes away (15 miles) at 4AM?

And then back to house by 5AM. I mean he could have done it but I think he had to have been eyeing those oil barrels as disposal units for a long time prior to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

Stangling one person in the 'spur of the moment'...okay.

But three people? Its not a quick enough method that one of the girls wouldn't have gotten away if that was the case.

It probably wasn't all three at the same time in the spur of the moment. Maybe there was an accident with one of the kids and the mother refused to help him cover up and he snapped or he killed the kids to get at the mother and finished her when she got home and found out. And they were so young, no way they could have gotten away in a locked house.

Yes, but it was 2:00am. He was out of the house by 5:00am.

You think he argued with the mother for thirty minutes and then strangled her (5 minutes for a struggling adult) and then ran after the other kid for 5-10 minutes and strangled them in 1-2 minutes.

Leaving him...2 hours to think up the perfect disposal plan, pick up, carry and deposit bodies in his car, lock up/turn off lights, high-tail it to his work address which is 24 minutes away (15 miles) at 4AM?

And then back to house by 5AM. I mean he could have done it but I think he had to have been eyeing those oil barrels as disposal units for a long time prior to that.

I agree, sadly.

However, I think he might have killed the girls this weekend. Perhaps the 4 year old first. A two year old could hardly understand what was happening or get away. He probably killed the little one next. Then mom when she came home. Several ways that don’t involve blood. If not asphyxiation, poisoning. Put the dead kids in bed, dim the lights, tell mom not to wake them, but here’s a nice cup of tea to relax you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

Stangling one person in the 'spur of the moment'...okay.

But three people? Its not a quick enough method that one of the girls wouldn't have gotten away if that was the case.

It probably wasn't all three at the same time in the spur of the moment. Maybe there was an accident with one of the kids and the mother refused to help him cover up and he snapped or he killed the kids to get at the mother and finished her when she got home and found out. And they were so young, no way they could have gotten away in a locked house.

Yes, but it was 2:00am. He was out of the house by 5:00am.

You think he argued with the mother for thirty minutes and then strangled her (5 minutes for a struggling adult) and then ran after the other kid for 5-10 minutes and strangled them in 1-2 minutes.

Leaving him...2 hours to think up the perfect disposal plan, pick up, carry and deposit bodies in his car, lock up/turn off lights, high-tail it to his work address which is 24 minutes away (15 miles) at 4AM?

And then back to house by 5AM. I mean he could have done it but I think he had to have been eyeing those oil barrels as disposal units for a long time prior to that.

I agree, sadly.

However, I think he might have killed the girls this weekend. Perhaps the 4 year old first. A two year old could hardly understand what was happening or get away. He probably killed the little one next. Then mom when she came home. Several ways that don’t involve blood. If not asphyxiation, poisoning. Put the dead kids in bed, dim the lights, tell mom not to wake them, but here’s a nice cup of tea to relax you.

Or while they were taking a bath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The timeline doesn't add up. I think he killed those poor kids before she got home at 2 am.

He would have been racing against the clock to kill 3 people, bury them, and clean up from 2 am-5 am (if he did indeed leave at 5 am and there's evidence to support this).

After reading everything put out, I agree with this. The events afterward happened too quickly, and if the police did a welfare check on Monday, he would have already had to have everything cleaned up.

As I understand it, he didn't bury them, at least not the kids. he took the bodies to work with him and dropped them in oil tanks at work. If he killed them in a manner that did not involve a lot of blood loss, maybe by asphyxiation, cleanup at home would be minimal besides getting bodies out of the house and getting in character for the TV crews.

Stangling one person in the 'spur of the moment'...okay.

But three people? Its not a quick enough method that one of the girls wouldn't have gotten away if that was the case.

It probably wasn't all three at the same time in the spur of the moment. Maybe there was an accident with one of the kids and the mother refused to help him cover up and he snapped or he killed the kids to get at the mother and finished her when she got home and found out. And they were so young, no way they could have gotten away in a locked house.

Yes, but it was 2:00am. He was out of the house by 5:00am.

You think he argued with the mother for thirty minutes and then strangled her (5 minutes for a struggling adult) and then ran after the other kid for 5-10 minutes and strangled them in 1-2 minutes.

Leaving him...2 hours to think up the perfect disposal plan, pick up, carry and deposit bodies in his car, lock up/turn off lights, high-tail it to his work address which is 24 minutes away (15 miles) at 4AM?

And then back to house by 5AM. I mean he could have done it but I think he had to have been eyeing those oil barrels as disposal units for a long time prior to that.

Except it wasn't the perfect disposal plan. It was actually a really, REALLY stupid one because of course it directly tied him to the murders. If he had preplanned this or had time to think he would have done just about anything else with the bodies.
I think it happened in a fit of rage when she returned home--they got into a fight and he flipped out. He probably killed her first but in front on the kids and then finished them off first because he was worried that at least the 4 year old would talk.
At that point he was just acting on animal impulses.

(I can't believe I'm typing this all out).

[Anonymous]

Previous poster again---or perhaps he was drunk or high. It's quite likely he was one or both.
So he has a episode of rage and he's not in his right mind and he does something really bad to one of them in the midst of a fight (again, likely his wife).

Again, I don't think he preplanned that body disposal. It's just about the worse place he could have put those bodies.