Cosby found guilty

[Anonymous]

I feel like we all need to move away from the black & white thinking that people are either good or bad. People are complex.

Cosby can be both a visionary and philanthropist AS WELL AS a sexual predator. Bill Clinton can be both a great leader and a sleazebag. Margaret Thatcher can be a trailblazer, great leader and a possible war criminal. Stephen Hawking, Winston Churchill, etc. The list goes on. I think of DC council member Trayon White here.

Now, whether you decide you want to watch Cosby's shows anymore or vote for a politician who is both brilliant and racist/sexist etc., is a personal choice, but surely we can acknowledge that all these people are neither angels or demons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still not sure this is a win for women. Cosby's behavior doesn't seem all that different than that which was common around rock concerts in the 1970s. There are many more worthy and clear cut cases of abuse and harassment, just not ones as sure to make headlines. I think the questionable character of his accusers (Janice Dickinson, et. al) will make it harder for honest victims to get justice. I also think there have been questionable decisions from the bench that will result in the verdict being overthrown on appeal.

What are you talking about? He drugged and raped unwilling women. 62 of them.

A lot of the stars did that in the 70s. They dated kids too (teens) and everyone lauded them for it.

Please name the “stars who did that in the 70s.”

Don Henley.

I'm not sure of DH's accusations, but generally speaking, the "rock stars" didn't need to drug the women they bedded. I'm pretty sure they had more than enough willing to spread their legs. Were some talked into or coerced into doing more than they wanted to do, probably.

Cos. probably didn't need to drug them either in all honesty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is a sad day.

Not sad because of the guilty verdict. He clearly deserves it. I am certain he will serve time. There is no way he won’t with the charges. I feel deeply for his victims. They deserve justice.

It is sad because he was such an icon - the wonderful father on the Cosby show... the jello guy.... someone who spoke hard truths to the black community. And, the death of his son, which was tragic. It is sad because I feel duped by his onscreen persona.

Thank you for putting into words how many of us feel. His actions are horrifying but there is a real sense of loss of someone we thought of as "America's Dad."

You f'king idiots. He was an ACTOR. He was paid do "pretend". TV is NOT real!!

He was listed as one of the top black philanthropists several years ago. He has given millions to historically black colleges and donated to a multitude of other charities.
This in no way makes up for his crimes, but you need to understand why so many people are struggling with his conviction.
He did some absolutely horrible things. And now that these things are out in the open, it is upsetting to try to understand how a man who seems so giving could be so evil.

I can understand the difficulty of reconciling Cosby's actions with his public persona. But he absolutely deserves his conviction, so I can't understand why anyone would struggle with that. He did what he did, and he deserves to be punished.

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MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not sure this is a win for women. Cosby's behavior doesn't seem all that different than that which was common around rock concerts in the 1970s. There are many more worthy and clear cut cases of abuse and harassment, just not ones as sure to make headlines. I think the questionable character of his accusers (Janice Dickinson, et. al) will make it harder for honest victims to get justice. I also think there have been questionable decisions from the bench that will result in the verdict being overthrown on appeal.

What are you talking about? He drugged and raped unwilling women. 62 of them.

A lot of the stars did that in the 70s. They dated kids too (teens) and everyone lauded them for it.

Please name the “stars who did that in the 70s.”

Don Henley.

Here's some more: http://www.houstonpress.com/music/teen-angels-10-musicians-with-a-penchant-for-young-girls-6502186

[Anonymous]

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MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not sure this is a win for women. Cosby's behavior doesn't seem all that different than that which was common around rock concerts in the 1970s. There are many more worthy and clear cut cases of abuse and harassment, just not ones as sure to make headlines. I think the questionable character of his accusers (Janice Dickinson, et. al) will make it harder for honest victims to get justice. I also think there have been questionable decisions from the bench that will result in the verdict being overthrown on appeal.

What are you talking about? He drugged and raped unwilling women. 62 of them.

A lot of the stars did that in the 70s. They dated kids too (teens) and everyone lauded them for it.

Please name the “stars who did that in the 70s.”

Don Henley.

Here's some more: http://www.houstonpress.com/music/teen-angels-10-musicians-with-a-penchant-for-young-girls-6502186

None of these people were drugging and raping women like Cosby did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't follow the trial. What evidence did they have? Without DNA or video evidence, on what did they convict?

np Maybe you should read up on it before expecting other people do basic legwork for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like we all need to move away from the black & white thinking that people are either good or bad. People are complex.

Cosby can be both a visionary and philanthropist AS WELL AS a sexual predator. Bill Clinton can be both a great leader and a sleazebag. Margaret Thatcher can be a trailblazer, great leader and a possible war criminal. Stephen Hawking, Winston Churchill, etc. The list goes on. I think of DC council member Trayon White here.

Now, whether you decide you want to watch Cosby's shows anymore or vote for a politician who is both brilliant and racist/sexist etc., is a personal choice, but surely we can acknowledge that all these people are neither angels or demons.

eh, I think that some basic moral expectations of these public personas is totally within reason. Bill Cosby portrayed himself as an All American, genuinely nice, funny family man. For him to be using that image to trick unsuspecting women into being alone with him is just so extremely sick and devastating.

It's not o.k. to use your good fortune and fame that way.

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MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not sure this is a win for women. Cosby's behavior doesn't seem all that different than that which was common around rock concerts in the 1970s. There are many more worthy and clear cut cases of abuse and harassment, just not ones as sure to make headlines. I think the questionable character of his accusers (Janice Dickinson, et. al) will make it harder for honest victims to get justice. I also think there have been questionable decisions from the bench that will result in the verdict being overthrown on appeal.

What are you talking about? He drugged and raped unwilling women. 62 of them.

A lot of the stars did that in the 70s. They dated kids too (teens) and everyone lauded them for it.

Please name the “stars who did that in the 70s.”

Don Henley.

Here's some more: http://www.houstonpress.com/music/teen-angels-10-musicians-with-a-penchant-for-young-girls-6502186

None of these people were drugging and raping women like Cosby did.

Maybe none of them were drugging girls with qualudes to make them pass out/be unable to fight them off of even try to refuse their advances like Cosby did but it is very likely that some or perhaps even most of them were supplying other drugs to the girls -- children really-- for their own perverse purposes.

And, drugs or no drugs, just by having sex with them, they were all most definitely raping those girls who were too young to consent.

[Anonymous]

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MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not sure this is a win for women. Cosby's behavior doesn't seem all that different than that which was common around rock concerts in the 1970s. There are many more worthy and clear cut cases of abuse and harassment, just not ones as sure to make headlines. I think the questionable character of his accusers (Janice Dickinson, et. al) will make it harder for honest victims to get justice. I also think there have been questionable decisions from the bench that will result in the verdict being overthrown on appeal.

What are you talking about? He drugged and raped unwilling women. 62 of them.

A lot of the stars did that in the 70s. They dated kids too (teens) and everyone lauded them for it.

Please name the “stars who did that in the 70s.”

Don Henley.

Here's some more: http://www.houstonpress.com/music/teen-angels-10-musicians-with-a-penchant-for-young-girls-6502186

None of these people were drugging and raping women like Cosby did.

Maybe none of them were drugging girls with qualudes to make them pass out/be unable to fight them off of even try to refuse their advances like Cosby did but it is very likely that some or perhaps even most of them were supplying other drugs to the girls -- children really-- for their own perverse purposes.

And, drugs or no drugs, just by having sex with them, they were all most definitely raping those girls who were too young to consent.

So what’s your point PP? That because other famous people did this and haven’t been charged yet, Cosby shouldn’t be punished?

[Anonymous]

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I'm sure she was in denial. But what Cosby was doing was an open secret. Remember Hannibal Burress? He had a bit in his comic routine, about how "Bill Cosby has no real right to tell black people how to behave—to pull up their pants and so forth—because "you rape women, Bill Cosby, so turn the crazy down a couple notches." The shock of the line would always get a laugh, and in case anyone thought he was just joking, he would double down: "When you leave here, Google ‘Bill Cosby rape.’ That shit has more results than ‘Hannibal Buress.’ "

Related story today:

Cosby's downfall traced to Hannibal Buress' 2014 jokes about him
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/04/27/cosbys-downfall-traced-to-hannibal-buress-2014-jokes-about-him.html

[Anonymous]

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MikeL wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm still not sure this is a win for women. Cosby's behavior doesn't seem all that different than that which was common around rock concerts in the 1970s. There are many more worthy and clear cut cases of abuse and harassment, just not ones as sure to make headlines. I think the questionable character of his accusers (Janice Dickinson, et. al) will make it harder for honest victims to get justice. I also think there have been questionable decisions from the bench that will result in the verdict being overthrown on appeal.

What are you talking about? He drugged and raped unwilling women. 62 of them.

A lot of the stars did that in the 70s. They dated kids too (teens) and everyone lauded them for it.

Please name the “stars who did that in the 70s.”

Don Henley.

Here's some more: http://www.houstonpress.com/music/teen-angels-10-musicians-with-a-penchant-for-young-girls-6502186

None of these people were drugging and raping women like Cosby did.

Maybe none of them were drugging girls with qualudes to make them pass out/be unable to fight them off of even try to refuse their advances like Cosby did but it is very likely that some or perhaps even most of them were supplying other drugs to the girls -- children really-- for their own perverse purposes.

And, drugs or no drugs, just by having sex with them, they were all most definitely raping those girls who were too young to consent.

So what’s your point PP? That because other famous people did this and haven’t been charged yet, Cosby shouldn’t be punished?

No, but I'm disturbed by the feeding frenzy on Cosby when his contemporaries were given a pass on or celebrated for like behavior towards women. I think a key is the animosity towards him exhibited by a prominent cabal of younger black comedians, many of them mentored by Cosby (Chappelle, Eddie Murphy... ). They were determined to bring him down after he called them out for obscene language on stage. He became the enemy of the BLM movement and others after his oft-quoted NAACP speech demanding that black youth clean up their act. . Cosby's hound dogging was well known and certain factions within his own community used his history to bring him down. Rolling Stones, Grateful Dead and many others had similar or worse records re young women. There were plenty of drugs involved all around. Quaaludes were the ecstasy of the 1970s.

[Anonymous]

Nobody could have "brought him down" if he had not been drugging and raping women though. If you hinge your public image and reputation on complete lies, you are going to be vulnerable to these kind of take downs.

[Anonymous]

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I'm sure she was in denial. But what Cosby was doing was an open secret. Remember Hannibal Burress? He had a bit in his comic routine, about how "Bill Cosby has no real right to tell black people how to behave—to pull up their pants and so forth—because "you rape women, Bill Cosby, so turn the crazy down a couple notches." The shock of the line would always get a laugh, and in case anyone thought he was just joking, he would double down: "When you leave here, Google ‘Bill Cosby rape.’ That shit has more results than ‘Hannibal Buress.’ "

Related story today:

Cosby's downfall traced to Hannibal Buress' 2014 jokes about him
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/04/27/cosbys-downfall-traced-to-hannibal-buress-2014-jokes-about-him.html

Wow, timely connection by Fox News there.
/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

I'm sure she was in denial. But what Cosby was doing was an open secret. Remember Hannibal Burress? He had a bit in his comic routine, about how "Bill Cosby has no real right to tell black people how to behave—to pull up their pants and so forth—because "you rape women, Bill Cosby, so turn the crazy down a couple notches." The shock of the line would always get a laugh, and in case anyone thought he was just joking, he would double down: "When you leave here, Google ‘Bill Cosby rape.’ That shit has more results than ‘Hannibal Buress.’ "

Related story today:

Cosby's downfall traced to Hannibal Buress' 2014 jokes about him
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/04/27/cosbys-downfall-traced-to-hannibal-buress-2014-jokes-about-him.html

Wow, timely connection by Fox News there.
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It's not just Fox News; that was just the one to which I linked. Here is the Associated Press version from the Roanoke Times (couldn't get the WaPo link). Better?

Comic who called Cosby rapist credited after his conviction

http://www.roanoke.com/news/wire_headlines/comic-who-called-cosby-rapist-credited-after-his-conviction/article_b6f641b6-0d7b-5f4c-b0f7-129eb40e346e.html

[Anonymous]

Cosby and his wife had 5 children together. They lost their 44 year old daughter to renal disease back in February and they lost a son to murder years ago.

They've got three living children - 2 in their 50's and one who is in their early 40's.

Cosby is 80 and his wife must be around the same age. I can't imagine the horror of this situation for his family.