Execution to be allowed using Nitrogen gas!

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Not cruel and unusual as meant by the Framers. Next.


The American Veterinary Medical Association forbids its use to euthanize animals.


I'm thinking those sweet animals haven't tortured, raped, brutalized, or murdered anyone either.

It’s still not supposed to be death by torture meted out by the state. Sorry your revenge bloodlust isn’t adequately slaked.


You're also very sorry that his INNOCENT victim was stabbed multiple times and felt excruciating pain as she died, right? You forgot to say that. ..


Seriously. So bizarre to be worried in any way about a murderer feeling pain. I can't take these people seriously.



Weird? This is likely because they’re not murderers. Taking another life is wrong. Just because one person does it doesn’t change things. No one is saying a murder shouldn’t be punished.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


There are cases where children lie, and they are generally not reliable witnesses. So when a 9 year old gets his teacher executed, then at the age of 20 when it occurs to him that he has blood on his hands, what do you do then? Execute the 20 year old?
Also, it has been shown that pedophiles are more violent when the punishments are extreme. They might resort to murdering the victim to cover up the crime
Anonymous
I think it's weird that pro-death penalty people accuse anti-death penalty people of being callous towards victims.
The state methodically killing a person is inherently offensive.
The concept that a person is utterly unredeemable seems to me to go against any reasonable definition of humanity.
Given the number of cases of actual innocence which have involved people who spent time on death row, we absolutely cannot see we have not and never will execute actually innocent people. We can never assume that the judicial system ultimately arrives at the actual truth--it arrives at a construct that resembles the actual truth. I'm certain there have been people who fall into that small gap between no reasonable doubt and actual truth.

There are more people than you might think whose loved ones have been murdered who oppose the death penalty--this happened in the case of the Florida school shooting, a young man whose sibling was killed had the courage to disagree with all the people calling for the death penalty, including his own father.
The inconsistency with which the death penalty is applied contradicts any notion that it is a fair penalty. More than once the actual murderer has gotten a life sentence while an accomplice who did not actually kill anyone has been sentenced to death. This is besides the racial disparities, including the fact that a black person who commits murder is more likely to be sentenced to death if the victim is white than if they are black.

Several prison wardens who were involved with executions eventually came to oppose the death penalty (a quick google search brings up at least 5). In a Guardian article, another said he believes it is necessary--but he also says it does not resolve issues for 90% of family members of victims, when he reviews these cases he figures "90 to 95 percent are probably very guilty"--not just guilty, but deserving of the death penalty.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


There are cases where children lie, and they are generally not reliable witnesses. So when a 9 year old gets his teacher executed, then at the age of 20 when it occurs to him that he has blood on his hands, what do you do then? Execute the 20 year old?
Also, it has been shown that pedophiles are more violent when the punishments are extreme. They might resort to murdering the victim to cover up the crime


So...don't lock them up for life or kill them. More time to be free and abuse other kids.
Anonymous
We have lots of info about medically assisted death at this point. It's unclear why they can't choose a more proven method.
Anonymous
Having attended several pet deaths via euthanasia, I can tell you that animals in this country have better deaths than death row inmates. We’re so backward in so many ways…
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


We have executed too many innocent people to responsibly use the death penalty.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


We have executed too many innocent people to responsibly use the death penalty.


We have allowed too many innocent people to be killed by allowing violent repeat criminals to walk freely.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We have lots of info about medically assisted death at this point. It's unclear why they can't choose a more proven method.


Those methods involve an unconscious or cooperative patient. Not someone who might wiggle or resist. I still don’t understand why they didn’t inject him with a sedative first.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Nitrogen execution is death by suffocation, not painless. I don't know why they did not consider carbon monoxide.
It most definitely is not death by suffocation. The cause is asphyxiation. These are not the same. When people die of carbon monoxide, asphyxiation. When plane passengers pass out and die because their cabin de-pressurizes, asphyxiation. For example, see the death of Payne Stewart. Nitrogen, helium - basically inert gases - all work. Look up ‘exit bag’. The method is commonly used by those seeking a simple and painless end-of-life. So maybe novel for state sanctioned penalties, but in no way novel otherwise.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


Some of us simply feel the government should not kill people.

- Victim of child sexual abuse, who was very relieved when my abuser died naturally, but would never have condoned the government killing him.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


Some of us simply feel the government should not kill people.

- Victim of child sexual abuse, who was very relieved when my abuser died naturally, but would never have condoned the government killing him.


I think the way the death penalty is applied isn’t good, and I also don’t think any crime other than murder should be punished with it. (Despite how awful CSA is).

Like, the guy that was recently executed with nitrogen.. seemed like a pretty run-of-the mill murder-for-hire case. I really don’t see why he should have been executed but the Parkland shooter gets off.

Massmurder, serial killers, and people who commit extremely egregious crimes like murder+SA of a child. Do not, in my opinion, deserve to live out their lives in a cell. If dying was a preferable punishment (which many claim life sentences are worse) then they’d end it themselves. This is obviously not often the case.

And as for the person who mentioned the sibling of the Parkland shooter who didn’t want the DP. I’m pretty sure he was literally the only family member that didn’t.


I don’t want to continually move to the left on crime and punishment. Like there are many things wrong with our criminal justice system but I never want to live in a country like Norway where:

Someone like Anders Breivik can kill 8 people in a car bombing then methodically shoot to death 69 youth at a summer cap and be given “the maximum sentence of 21 years after 10 of which he will be eligible for parole” I don’t care if it can “continue to be extended” all it takes is a sympathetic judge to release him.

Then you see the kind of stuff he complains about in prision

In November 2012, Breivik wrote a 27-page letter of complaints to the prison authorities, talking about the security restrictions he was being held under, claiming that the prison director personally wanted to punish him. In letters to foreign media outlets, he told them about his demands to prison authorities "including easier communication with the outside world and a PlayStation 3 to replace the current PlayStation 2, because it offered more suitable games"; media reported in 2014 about demands that he would starve himself to death if he was refused "access to a sofa and a bigger gym"; furthermore he said that "Other inmates have access to adult games while I only have the right to play less interesting kids' games. One example is "Rayman Revolution", a game aimed at three-year-olds," Breivik complained to prison officials."[181][182] In September 2015, Breivik again threatened a hunger strike, because of deteriorating prison conditions,[165] but delayed in order to sue the Norwegian Government over prison conditions.[159]

This MF gets to play playstation in prison and has the chance of release. He’s went up to the parole board 2 or three times already actually.

After killing 77 people, most of whom were teens or young adults.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Complaints_about_prison_conditions


This is honestly the kind of thing I think many are trying to push towards here and it’s sickening.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Novel execution method just announced:

http://www.fox23.com/news/oklahoma-attorney-general-announces-new-execution-method-for-state/715957820

Question for DCUM:

(Assuming capitol punishment itself is NOT prohibited as cruel and unusual )

- do you think giving the condemned prisoner Nitrogen gas is cruel and unusual? Why or why not?
I say old school it and get back to firing squads.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with putting murderers and rapists to death.

We should make it a streamlined process.


+1
Add child abusers to that list. I truly don't understand the minds of anti-capital punishment people.


We have executed too many innocent people to responsibly use the death penalty.


We have allowed too many innocent people to be killed by allowing violent repeat criminals to walk freely.
+100
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nitrogen execution is death by suffocation, not painless. I don't know why they did not consider carbon monoxide.
It most definitely is not death by suffocation. The cause is asphyxiation. These are not the same. When people die of carbon monoxide, asphyxiation. When plane passengers pass out and die because their cabin de-pressurizes, asphyxiation. For example, see the death of Payne Stewart. Nitrogen, helium - basically inert gases - all work. Look up ‘exit bag’. The method is commonly used by those seeking a simple and painless end-of-life. So maybe novel for state sanctioned penalties, but in no way novel otherwise.


It’s like suffocating. The tissues have no oxygen. That is painful, especially in the muscles (like a heart attack).
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