SIL came over for dinner and stole my iPhone charger

[Anonymous]

Also consider that putting the charger in her phone might have been instinctive, if that's what she always does at home.

Most people don't give much thought to these things, its a storm in a teacup.

Then again, seeing how you record your family members, mock their addiction problems, etc you sound like the type of petty person who would get mad over small things like this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

Honest question...is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb? Sounds like a violation of privacy.

Of course not. The same way it's not illegal to set up a nanny-cam.

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever heard of reasonable expectation of privacy? That's the absolute key when talking about privacy law. A nanny doesn't have it because she is working. Just like you can be recorded in an office building while you work. But guests staying overnight in a property for which they are paying a lodging rate absolutely have an expectation of privacy. That's why hotels don't have security cameras in the rooms.

You are either an idiot or a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

Honest question...is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb? Sounds like a violation of privacy.

Of course not. The same way it's not illegal to set up a nanny-cam.

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever heard of reasonable expectation of privacy? That's the absolute key when talking about privacy law. A nanny doesn't have it because she is working. Just like you can be recorded in an office building while you work. But guests staying overnight in a property for which they are paying a lodging rate absolutely have an expectation of privacy. That's why hotels don't have security cameras in the rooms.

You are either an idiot or a troll.

Have you even used Airbnb?

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/887/what-are-airbnb-s-rules-about-electronic-surveillance-devices-in-listings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

you record your Airbnb guests? I think that's illegal. It's one thing for you to record yourself when you are in the room or house and have invited a guest -- they have no expectation of privacy. But an Airbnb guest has an expectation of privacy in the space that they have rented from you. You would be equally creeped out by a hotel that was recording you in the hotel suite, yes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

you record your Airbnb guests? I think that's illegal. It's one thing for you to record yourself when you are in the room or house and have invited a guest -- they have no expectation of privacy. But an Airbnb guest has an expectation of privacy in the space that they have rented from you. You would be equally creeped out by a hotel that was recording you in the hotel suite, yes?

The Airbnb terms of service explicitly require disclosure of surveillance in the ad or after booking (customers informed of surveillance after booking will be allowed to cancel without penalty). Recording your Airbnb guests without their knowledge and consent is a crime. I can't imagine you get very many bookings if you are disclosing the surveillance. I certainly would never rent from such an owner.

[Anonymous]

1. This poor woman seems to be addicted to painkillers - this will go very badly if you keep judging her without trying to help. Heard of the opioid epidemic?

2. The charger thing could be an unrelated accident. It's very easy to forget a charger isn't yours, and to think you plugged yours at someone else's house. Just ask for it back.

3. I don't judge you at all for recording what happens in your house: but it shows the bent of your mind and could damage your relationship with people if you automatically think the worse of them at every turn. Beware of this aspect of your personality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

Honest question...is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb? Sounds like a violation of privacy.

Of course not. The same way it's not illegal to set up a nanny-cam.

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever heard of reasonable expectation of privacy? That's the absolute key when talking about privacy law. A nanny doesn't have it because she is working. Just like you can be recorded in an office building while you work. But guests staying overnight in a property for which they are paying a lodging rate absolutely have an expectation of privacy. That's why hotels don't have security cameras in the rooms.

You are either an idiot or a troll.

Have you even used Airbnb?

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/887/what-are-airbnb-s-rules-about-electronic-surveillance-devices-in-listings

I don't see your point, your link clearly says surveillance equipment needs to be disclosed. How does that change what the PP said? You cannot record your Airbnb guests without their knowledge even if its your house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You must have a really bad relationship with her to assume she stole it, rather than thought it was hers. Just ask for it back.

Why would someone think the charger that I plugged into the socket in my house is hers?

Because her son was using it, and she assumed it was theirs. You are really weird to assume she stole it. Text her "hey did you by chance grab my phone charger by accident? Larlo was using it last I saw. Thanks for checking!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

Honest question...is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb? Sounds like a violation of privacy.

Of course not. The same way it's not illegal to set up a nanny-cam.

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever heard of reasonable expectation of privacy? That's the absolute key when talking about privacy law. A nanny doesn't have it because she is working. Just like you can be recorded in an office building while you work. But guests staying overnight in a property for which they are paying a lodging rate absolutely have an expectation of privacy. That's why hotels don't have security cameras in the rooms.

You are either an idiot or a troll.

Have you even used Airbnb?

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/887/what-are-airbnb-s-rules-about-electronic-surveillance-devices-in-listings

I don't see your point, your link clearly says surveillance equipment needs to be disclosed. How does that change what the PP said? You cannot record your Airbnb guests without their knowledge even if its your house.

The question was: is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb?

The answer is no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must have a really bad relationship with her to assume she stole it, rather than thought it was hers. Just ask for it back.

Why would someone think the charger that I plugged into the socket in my house is hers?

Because her son was using it, and she assumed it was theirs. You are really weird to assume she stole it. Text her "hey did you by chance grab my phone charger by accident? Larlo was using it last I saw. Thanks for checking!"

What are you even talking about? She doesn't have a son.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

you record your Airbnb guests? I think that's illegal. It's one thing for you to record yourself when you are in the room or house and have invited a guest -- they have no expectation of privacy. But an Airbnb guest has an expectation of privacy in the space that they have rented from you. You would be equally creeped out by a hotel that was recording you in the hotel suite, yes?

The Airbnb terms of service explicitly require disclosure of surveillance in the ad or after booking (customers informed of surveillance after booking will be allowed to cancel without penalty). Recording your Airbnb guests without their knowledge and consent is a crime. I can't imagine you get very many bookings if you are disclosing the surveillance. I certainly would never rent from such an owner.

Then don't. Presumably you live in the DC area because you're on this local board and I don't rent to locals anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

you record your Airbnb guests? I think that's illegal. It's one thing for you to record yourself when you are in the room or house and have invited a guest -- they have no expectation of privacy. But an Airbnb guest has an expectation of privacy in the space that they have rented from you. You would be equally creeped out by a hotel that was recording you in the hotel suite, yes?

My house is not a hotel. A guest that's using the common areas of my home, such as living room or kitchen shouldn't have an expectation of privacy, whether they're an Airbnb guest, a friend or family member, or a nanny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

you record your Airbnb guests? I think that's illegal. It's one thing for you to record yourself when you are in the room or house and have invited a guest -- they have no expectation of privacy. But an Airbnb guest has an expectation of privacy in the space that they have rented from you. You would be equally creeped out by a hotel that was recording you in the hotel suite, yes?

And so what if you think it's illegal? It's not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She may have just had a thoughtless moment or she may have deliberately stolen it. Assume it's the first option and ask her to return it.

It's weird that you record what's going on in your house at all times.

I know, but we Airbnb so yeah, it makes sense. And now it makes sense to keep it on when she comes over.

Honest question...is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb? Sounds like a violation of privacy.

Of course not. The same way it's not illegal to set up a nanny-cam.

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever heard of reasonable expectation of privacy? That's the absolute key when talking about privacy law. A nanny doesn't have it because she is working. Just like you can be recorded in an office building while you work. But guests staying overnight in a property for which they are paying a lodging rate absolutely have an expectation of privacy. That's why hotels don't have security cameras in the rooms.

You are either an idiot or a troll.

Have you even used Airbnb?

https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/887/what-are-airbnb-s-rules-about-electronic-surveillance-devices-in-listings

I don't see your point, your link clearly says surveillance equipment needs to be disclosed. How does that change what the PP said? You cannot record your Airbnb guests without their knowledge even if its your house.

The question was: is it legal to record people like that when they are using your property through a service like Airbnb?

The answer is YES.

It's not illegal. https://www.airbnb.com/help/article/887/what-are-airbnb-s-rules-about-electronic-surveillance-devices-in-listings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must have a really bad relationship with her to assume she stole it, rather than thought it was hers. Just ask for it back.

Why would someone think the charger that I plugged into the socket in my house is hers?

Because her son was using it, and she assumed it was theirs. You are really weird to assume she stole it. Text her "hey did you by chance grab my phone charger by accident? Larlo was using it last I saw. Thanks for checking!"

What are you even talking about? She doesn't have a son.

SIL has a son and that's why taking the charger may have been innocent. I like the suggested text above, which is non-confrontational, but if SIL does need a subtle warning, that gets it across.