Is 'Stealthing' a new form of sexual violence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A woman's birth control does not protect from STDs so while lying about being on birth control is a heinous act I don't put it in the same category as removing a condom without constent. The latter in my opinion is much worse!

Actually I think it's much worse. Antibiotics or Valtrex can fix most anything you'd pick up. I think it's a much more heinous (and expensive, and life changing) act to saddle someone with an unplanned/unwanted child for the rest of their life.

This doesn't make sense. Lying about hormonal birth control can cause a pregnancy. Lying about a condom can cause a pregnancy AND spread diseases. Both lies are bad, both deceptive ways of getting someone pregnant are bad. Both violate the unknowing partner. Either way, the unknowing partner could use back up to prevent pregnancy, but they shouldn't have to protect themselves against that kind of violation. However, with stealthing, the woman is also vulnerable to diseases that the man wouldn't be vulnerable to if she had lied about hormonal birth control. I don't see how anyone can say stealthing is no big deal or not as bad as lying about hormonal birth control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that they are not quite the same, but remember that if a man "stealths" you (ugh), and gets you pregnant, you can still get the morning after pill, or an abortion. Obviously, that doesn't help if he gives you HIV, or a chronic STD, but pregnancy is statistically the biggest danger.

For men, if a women tricks them, they can't do anything about it. They are trapped. Yeah, they can always wear a condom, but isn't that like telling a sexual assault victim that she "shouldn't have been drinking/dressed provocatively, etc."?

They're trapped with child support payments at the worst. Getting a woman pregnant who doesn't want to results in a physical hardship.
And if men don't want to take the risk of pregnancy, they should either use a condom or abstain, because BC can fail even if she promises she is taking it. It doesn't prove that she's taking it every day at the same time or regularly.

I do not think that babies are punishments, but every time you have sex you take on the risk that it may end up in a pregnancy. However, it doesn't have to end in an STD

[Anonymous]

Why does this have to be an argument over stealthing vs lying about BC? It's not like we have to pick only one to be morally wrong. They both can be.

They are both absolutely disgusting. Deceiving people for your own gratification is wrong, no matter what your sex is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

I'm a woman and this was my first thought as well. PP who freaked out is odd.

The tumblr feministas don't like the fact that a male brings up a good point because of the patriarchy or whatever made up crap it is they believe.

The fact remains that it is a good question and does happen.

For the record, I agree it's assault. Taking your protection off is shitty thing to do.

[Anonymous]

I'm a feminist and if you can prove a woman lied about BC, I think that should be a form of entrapment under the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that they are not quite the same, but remember that if a man "stealths" you (ugh), and gets you pregnant, you can still get the morning after pill, or an abortion. Obviously, that doesn't help if he gives you HIV, or a chronic STD, but pregnancy is statistically the biggest danger.

For men, if a women tricks them, they can't do anything about it. They are trapped. Yeah, they can always wear a condom, but isn't that like telling a sexual assault victim that she "shouldn't have been drinking/dressed provocatively, etc."?

They're trapped with child support payments at the worst. Getting a woman pregnant who doesn't want to results in a physical hardship.
And if men don't want to take the risk of pregnancy, they should either use a condom or abstain, because BC can fail even if she promises she is taking it. It doesn't prove that she's taking it every day at the same time or regularly.

I do not think that babies are punishments, but every time you have sex you take on the risk that it may end up in a pregnancy. However, it doesn't have to end in an STD

You sure want to make it sound like being trapped with child support payments is no big deal. And it's obviously not just about money. Having an unexpected/unwanted child is a major life altering event on every level.

Sure men can "abstain" if they are worried. And so can women, using your own dismissive logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

I'm a woman and this was my first thought as well. PP who freaked out is odd.

The tumblr feministas don't like the fact that a male brings up a good point because of the patriarchy or whatever made up crap it is they believe.

The fact remains that it is a good question and does happen.

For the record, I agree it's assault. Taking your protection off is shitty thing to do.

Yes. Some feminists seem to intensely dislike any sort of "I acknowledge that this a bad thing that can happen to women, but there is an analogous bad thing can happen to males too" response from men. Anything short of unquestioning emotional support at all times makes you an MRA.

[Anonymous]

No one no one no one here is saying that faking BC is morally wrong. What is being said is that whoever made the supposedly good point actually made a false analogy. They are not the same thing. Both are wrong, but different kinds.

You may as well bring up any other morally wrong thing at this point and at " but what about...." Because they ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.