Is 'Stealthing' a new form of sexual violence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is probably a grain of truth to this. But for every person who is actually intentionally "stealthing," there are probably ten other people who are going to have their lives wrecked by rash accusations and media attention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

Get out of here with your reason and logic. They have no place in feminist-whipped hysteria and further persecution and demonization of men.

[Anonymous]

A woman's birth control does not protect from STDs so while lying about being on birth control is a heinous act I don't put it in the same category as removing a condom without constent. The latter in my opinion is much worse!

[Anonymous]

I was stealthied by an ex-bf who was obsessed with impregnating me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was stealthied by an ex-bf who was obsessed with impregnating me.

^^ stealthed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A woman's birth control does not protect from STDs so while lying about being on birth control is a heinous act I don't put it in the same category as removing a condom without constent. The latter in my opinion is much worse!

Actually I think it's much worse. Antibiotics or Valtrex can fix most anything you'd pick up. I think it's a much more heinous (and expensive, and life changing) act to saddle someone with an unplanned/unwanted child for the rest of their life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

+1 !! Two of my girlfriends did this to wealthy men they were dating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like "stealthing" is what Ebola was to the US a few years ago. It never actually materialized. The media seized on the issue, and sensationalized it, and there was 24/7 coverage of it to attract viewers (as the media is wont to do),but realistically, how many actual cases of "Ebola" are there stateside?

Maybe that's a bad example. However, this kind of scare tactic, boogeyman news sells. This whole stealthing business is probably much ado about nothing. You think there are sleeper cells of men, who sit around plotting how they can stealth women? Like stealthing is so hot, and this underground practice that is like the new "ruffi" or something?

In sum, I think the media is promoting this to frighten women, and it's working, when in reality there is like one person on the US who has probably done this. Flame away, but you're the one with the paranoid, victim complex, not me. I seriously doubt dudes are just like "oh yeah, I can't wait to secretly pull the condom off. It's so novel."

This has happened to me twice. I am divorced with a child and older childless men have twice done this to me. It has caused me to take a morning after pill both times. I am very careful now about tracking the condom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A woman's birth control does not protect from STDs so while lying about being on birth control is a heinous act I don't put it in the same category as removing a condom without constent. The latter in my opinion is much worse!

Actually I think it's much worse. Antibiotics or Valtrex can fix most anything you'd pick up. I think it's a much more heinous (and expensive, and life changing) act to saddle someone with an unplanned/unwanted child for the rest of their life.

Genital warts? Aids? Hepatitis?

You can protect yourself from unwanted parenthood if you are a man. Wear a condom. No chick is going to be able to slip that off without you knowing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like "stealthing" is what Ebola was to the US a few years ago. It never actually materialized. The media seized on the issue, and sensationalized it, and there was 24/7 coverage of it to attract viewers (as the media is wont to do),but realistically, how many actual cases of "Ebola" are there stateside?

Maybe that's a bad example. However, this kind of scare tactic, boogeyman news sells. This whole stealthing business is probably much ado about nothing. You think there are sleeper cells of men, who sit around plotting how they can stealth women? Like stealthing is so hot, and this underground practice that is like the new "ruffi" or something?

In sum, I think the media is promoting this to frighten women, and it's working, when in reality there is like one person on the US who has probably done this. Flame away, but you're the one with the paranoid, victim complex, not me. I seriously doubt dudes are just like "oh yeah, I can't wait to secretly pull the condom off. It's so novel."

This has happened to me twice. I am divorced with a child and older childless men have twice done this to me. It has caused me to take a morning after pill both times. I am very careful now about tracking the condom.

Why don't you do something to control your own fertility?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A woman's birth control does not protect from STDs so while lying about being on birth control is a heinous act I don't put it in the same category as removing a condom without constent. The latter in my opinion is much worse!

Actually I think it's much worse. Antibiotics or Valtrex can fix most anything you'd pick up. I think it's a much more heinous (and expensive, and life changing) act to saddle someone with an unplanned/unwanted child for the rest of their life.

+1. Most STDs aren't a really problem, and even HIV isn't a death sentence. An unwanted child is a huge deal- both for the parents and for the child, who has a father that doesn't want him/her and a mom who is a crazy liar. Plus the odds of getting pregnant are much higher than the odds of getting a serious disease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like "stealthing" is what Ebola was to the US a few years ago. It never actually materialized. The media seized on the issue, and sensationalized it, and there was 24/7 coverage of it to attract viewers (as the media is wont to do),but realistically, how many actual cases of "Ebola" are there stateside?

Maybe that's a bad example. However, this kind of scare tactic, boogeyman news sells. This whole stealthing business is probably much ado about nothing. You think there are sleeper cells of men, who sit around plotting how they can stealth women? Like stealthing is so hot, and this underground practice that is like the new "ruffi" or something?

In sum, I think the media is promoting this to frighten women, and it's working, when in reality there is like one person on the US who has probably done this. Flame away, but you're the one with the paranoid, victim complex, not me. I seriously doubt dudes are just like "oh yeah, I can't wait to secretly pull the condom off. It's so novel."

This has happened to me twice. I am divorced with a child and older childless men have twice done this to me. It has caused me to take a morning after pill both times. I am very careful now about tracking the condom.

Why don't you do something to control your own fertility?

The previous pp was doubting this is a thing. It is a thing. Even on birth control, as other pp's have stated, this poses risks to both parties -- one party not consenting to that risk.

My situation was that both men seemed to want to risk pregnancy on purpose. Both had expressed interest in having kids with me. Both times I told them absolutely not, that I wasn't interested in being serious. And after insisting on condoms, there were periods the condoms disappeared or in the dark, were purposefully not put on.

[Anonymous]

I agree that they are not quite the same, but remember that if a man "stealths" you (ugh), and gets you pregnant, you can still get the morning after pill, or an abortion. Obviously, that doesn't help if he gives you HIV, or a chronic STD, but pregnancy is statistically the biggest danger.

For men, if a women tricks them, they can't do anything about it. They are trapped. Yeah, they can always wear a condom, but isn't that like telling a sexual assault victim that she "shouldn't have been drinking/dressed provocatively, etc."?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A woman's birth control does not protect from STDs so while lying about being on birth control is a heinous act I don't put it in the same category as removing a condom without constent. The latter in my opinion is much worse!

Actually I think it's much worse. Antibiotics or Valtrex can fix most anything you'd pick up. I think it's a much more heinous (and expensive, and life changing) act to saddle someone with an unplanned/unwanted child for the rest of their life.

+1. Most STDs aren't a really problem, and even HIV isn't a death sentence. An unwanted child is a huge deal- both for the parents and for the child, who has a father that doesn't want him/her and a mom who is a crazy liar. Plus the odds of getting pregnant are much higher than the odds of getting a serious disease.

Literally nothing you're saying is true. Every sex act is an implicit agreement that birth control could fail or not be used at all. But sex with a condom almost guaranteed most STDs wl not be transmitted. Taking one off is more morally reprehensible. And you're an idiot if you think it's easier to get pregnant than get an STD or that a child is equivalent to aids, HIV, herpes or other STDs that can cause cancer or infertility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that they are not quite the same, but remember that if a man "stealths" you (ugh), and gets you pregnant, you can still get the morning after pill, or an abortion. Obviously, that doesn't help if he gives you HIV, or a chronic STD, but pregnancy is statistically the biggest danger.

For men, if a women tricks them, they can't do anything about it. They are trapped. Yeah, they can always wear a condom, but isn't that like telling a sexual assault victim that she "shouldn't have been drinking/dressed provocatively, etc."?

Well, you can today. Not sure how much longer.