Is 'Stealthing' a new form of sexual violence?

[Anonymous]

Assemble the lawyers and women right advocates on this one.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2017/05/05/im-not-sure-this-is-rape-but-what-a-law-student-found-when-she-asked-women-about-stealthing/?tid=pm_lifestyle_pop&utm_term=.2f07564bb1be

[Anonymous]

If consent was based on use of a condom, and a condom was removed intentionally by a male partner (e.g., it didnt break), without female partner's knowledge and consent, then this would be nonconsensual activity punishable as criminal behavior, with related civil liability.

[Anonymous]

I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

Oh hello there men's rights activist! It's SO HARD to be a straight white man. How well did your ex do in the divorce and remarriage? That well, huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

I'm a woman and this was my first thought as well. PP who freaked out is odd.

[Anonymous]

I feel like "stealthing" is what Ebola was to the US a few years ago. It never actually materialized. The media seized on the issue, and sensationalized it, and there was 24/7 coverage of it to attract viewers (as the media is wont to do),but realistically, how many actual cases of "Ebola" are there stateside?

Maybe that's a bad example. However, this kind of scare tactic, boogeyman news sells. This whole stealthing business is probably much ado about nothing. You think there are sleeper cells of men, who sit around plotting how they can stealth women? Like stealthing is so hot, and this underground practice that is like the new "ruffi" or something?

In sum, I think the media is promoting this to frighten women, and it's working, when in reality there is like one person on the US who has probably done this. Flame away, but you're the one with the paranoid, victim complex, not me. I seriously doubt dudes are just like "oh yeah, I can't wait to secretly pull the condom off. It's so novel."

[Anonymous]

While I'm sure that this happens on occasion, I don't buy into this being a new or growing threat. Why would men want to increase the chances of an unwanted pregnancy? Again, I'm sure it happens, but the sudden explosion of stories about it seems like a classic moral panic, like the "satanic rituals" panic of the 1980s.

And yes, the analogy of women lying about using birth control is fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

I'm a woman and this was my first thought as well. PP who freaked out is odd.

+a million

Anyone lying about the use (or lack thereof) of birth control has some serious issues.

[Anonymous]

It happened to me about a year ago. The violation I felt was indescribable. I had no idea it was widespread or that there was a name for it.

[Anonymous]

As pp noted, sure it happens but think of it this way, does a man really want to risk getting a woman pregnant or an STD in the first place? I never wanted to take that risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As pp noted, sure it happens but think of it this way, does a man really want to risk getting a woman pregnant or an STD in the first place? I never wanted to take that risk.

Some guys don't care. I found out later, the guy who stealthed me (that sounds weird to say) wound up with a couple of kids around the same age. I guess he went on a spree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like "stealthing" is what Ebola was to the US a few years ago. It never actually materialized. The media seized on the issue, and sensationalized it, and there was 24/7 coverage of it to attract viewers (as the media is wont to do),but realistically, how many actual cases of "Ebola" are there stateside?

Maybe that's a bad example. However, this kind of scare tactic, boogeyman news sells. This whole stealthing business is probably much ado about nothing. You think there are sleeper cells of men, who sit around plotting how they can stealth women? Like stealthing is so hot, and this underground practice that is like the new "ruffi" or something?

In sum, I think the media is promoting this to frighten women, and it's working, when in reality there is like one person on the US who has probably done this. Flame away, but you're the one with the paranoid, victim complex, not me. I seriously doubt dudes are just like "oh yeah, I can't wait to secretly pull the condom off. It's so novel."

I had this thought too. Not really something to say outside an anonymous bulletin board at this point just in case it actually is widespread. Might be like those rainbow lipstick parties high school kids were reported having a few years ago that turned out to get articles read but apparently weren't widespread. (Of course, I'm against stealthing. )

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

I'm a woman and this was my first thought as well. PP who freaked out is odd.

+a million

Anyone lying about the use (or lack thereof) of birth control has some serious issues.

Woman here, and I also agree. I can't believe that any woman would think this was OK--and then turn around and say a man doing essentially the EXACT same thing is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think any birth control deception would be actionable.

Does this work both ways? If a women lies about being in birth control, is that stealthing?

I'm a woman and this was my first thought as well. PP who freaked out is odd.

Maybe. But a woman whoies about BC will end up.pregnant. Taking away a condom can leave someone sick or dead.