microsoft lays off 700 with another 2200 come june.

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Anonymous wrote:What is Trump going to do about this?

If he blows up thr H1B vis program i dont give a fuck what else he does. I'll vote him into kinghood.

He got my got due to immigration. Stop the H1B fraud and OPT fraud and F1 fraud. Just make employers pay 150K for the best and brightest. They can have as many as they want at 150k indexed by inflation

Lol. They pay my DH a heck of a lot more than that to do his software engineering job. He does tech interviews for his company, which would love to hire American workers and not deal with H1Bs. Good luck with that. Even the DMV is definitely not flush with smart, talented, experienced softwear engineers. Americans with this skills set can write their own ticket. Because there is not a surplus of Americans with talent, education and experience in this area. Or, if there is, maybe you can point them out?

NP here. You've posted on these threads before about how your husband conducts interviews and is convinced there aren't any -- not a single one -- Americans competent enough or skilled enough to do the job.

You are not convincing. There are plenty of verifiable examples of cases where H1Bs were hired to replace American workers and the American workers were even forced to TRAIN THEM. (Disney in Florida is a case in point.)

The issue is not lack of skills or potential among Americans. It's pay. Companies not only can get away with paying H1B workers a lot less, but they know those workers are dependent on them so are less likely to lodge formal complaints about other issues.

I don't blame the H1B workers, and the worst thing to happen with all of this recent attention on immigration is people demonizing immigrants. The focus should really be on employers who exploit immigrants, the system, et cetera.

It's obvious bc you DH isn't paying enough for what he wants. He is competing with SV for the skills you describe, where starting salaries are $200k and you get an IPO lottery ticket. He is just like the call center H1B, importing cheaper workers because he is unwilling to pay market rate

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
here in DMV there are many many US citizens available for software development jobs.
Maybe your DH should be posting the details because if he can't find americans there is some constraint, maybe clearances are required? or maybe they want developers under 30? or maybe they are looking for the purple squirrel of specific arcane tech knowledge and company will not train? or maybe they only pay 60K a year?
there are lots of smart capable people available in DMV area

Sure there are. And I deal with many of them, unfortunately some as employees.
Typically the major concern is leaving the office at 5 PM, better to find a good reason to leave earlier.
Kid's football game, wedding anniversary, mother's birthday, sister's nuptials, PTA, whatever.
Maximize every long weekend and holiday, personal day and vacation.
Even offering more money works not - they have enough.
Think of early retirement starting at 30.

Au contraire, immigrants typically WORK. Holidays, weekends, nights, Christmas break, whatever.
They came here to WORK and EARN and move UP, and they always want just one thing - MORE and UP.
More work and more advancement. I've never had one asking me for time off, but dozens asking for more overtime.
They are not necessarily better qualified (many are worse) or have unique skills (most don't),
but showing up is 80% of winning as said.
Sure there are exceptions both ways, but some 90% are that way in either case.

That is not ONLY because immigrants are desperate for GC ore because Indians or Russians somehow smarter,
or better educated, or work harder in their countries: they aren't and don't, or their countries would be above USA.
It is self-selection of people who come here. Those willing to give up their friends, family, native language, familiar food and culture,
etc. to jump through the hoops and suffer immigration indignities to MOVE UP.

I am one, former H-1B. I am a US citizen for 10 years now, desperate for nothing.
It is Sunday, nice day outside. I am at work (as always), writing this in my lunch break at my desk.

If you call that "compliant workforce", so be it.

This is one of the saddest things I have read. I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

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Anonymous wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

Sure, that is what you want.
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year.
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

Sure, that is what you want.
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year.
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that.

You are delusional. I have many friends at google and intel. None are working 80 hrs. And all make their kids games. Is that the song and dance infosys sells to keep its employees in line, this false dream to work at a real tech company?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

Sure, that is what you want.
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year.
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that.

You are delusional. I have many friends at google and intel. None are working 80 hrs. And all make their kids games. Is that the song and dance infosys sells to keep its employees in line, this false dream to work at a real tech company?

I have worked at one of those high tech companies that is being referenced here. Most allow flexible working hours, so you can often end up working more than 40 hrs/week (probably not 80 though) because many typically work at night from home after the kids have gone to bed. And I have seen emails being sent on the weekend. This is how they make their kids' games, school activities, etc...

H1Bs who want a green card are indentured servants, though. I've had many close friends come over as H1Bs and then apply for GC.

That said, they really should put a $ cut off for H1B workers. Any job that pays less than $100K cannot use H1Bs. However, if this had applied several years, Melania Trump would not have been able to come into the US to work (though some say she worked here illegally anyways prior to the H1B). Models get paid by gigs, and agencies don't guarantee a fixed wage. But, I'm sure Trump will make exceptions for the modeling industry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

Sure, that is what you want.
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year.
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that.

You are delusional. I have many friends at google and intel. None are working 80 hrs. And all make their kids games. Is that the song and dance infosys sells to keep its employees in line, this false dream to work at a real tech company?

I have worked at one of those high tech companies that is being referenced here. Most allow flexible working hours, so you can often end up working more than 40 hrs/week (probably not 80 though) because many typically work at night from home after the kids have gone to bed. And I have seen emails being sent on the weekend. This is how they make their kids' games, school activities, etc...

H1Bs who want a green card are indentured servants, though. I've had many close friends come over as H1Bs and then apply for GC.

That said, they really should put a $ cut off for H1B workers. Any job that pays less than $100K cannot use H1Bs. However, if this had applied several years, Melania Trump would not have been able to come into the US to work (though some say she worked here illegally anyways prior to the H1B). Models get paid by gigs, and agencies don't guarantee a fixed wage. But, I'm sure Trump will make exceptions for the modeling industry.

Agreed, 40 hour weeks and clock watching are not normal Google or the like. They do work 'all the time' in the flex schedule way, but total hours won't be 80. Usually more than 40 but not insane because their creative prowess is what makes them valuable not grinding widget hours.

A ceiling floor makes sense -- if these are coveted unfillable technical roles, a high salary should be baked in. This will help flush out the line staff roles they import for middling wages. And they won't outsource this work bc at the end of the day they need control of the data and infrastructure, it is their life blood and very very valuable. Opening it up to a contractors office in bangelore, leaving the welcome mat out for cybercrime and industrial espionage. This isn't like the call centers of 'Outsourced', these are says admins, DBAs, keeping the systems they depend on to run their business with very valuable data. They want it domestic and under tight access control, hence the H1Bs. If they can't get cheap labor they will pay more bc the risk of outsourcing is too great.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
here in DMV there are many many US citizens available for software development jobs.
Maybe your DH should be posting the details because if he can't find americans there is some constraint, maybe clearances are required? or maybe they want developers under 30? or maybe they are looking for the purple squirrel of specific arcane tech knowledge and company will not train? or maybe they only pay 60K a year?
there are lots of smart capable people available in DMV area

Sure there are. And I deal with many of them, unfortunately some as employees.
Typically the major concern is leaving the office at 5 PM, better to find a good reason to leave earlier.
Kid's football game, wedding anniversary, mother's birthday, sister's nuptials, PTA, whatever.
Maximize every long weekend and holiday, personal day and vacation.
Even offering more money works not - they have enough.
Think of early retirement starting at 30.

Au contraire, immigrants typically WORK. Holidays, weekends, nights, Christmas break, whatever.
They came here to WORK and EARN and move UP, and they always want just one thing - MORE and UP.
More work and more advancement. I've never had one asking me for time off, but dozens asking for more overtime.
They are not necessarily better qualified (many are worse) or have unique skills (most don't),
but showing up is 80% of winning as said.
Sure there are exceptions both ways, but some 90% are that way in either case.

That is not ONLY because immigrants are desperate for GC ore because Indians or Russians somehow smarter,
or better educated, or work harder in their countries: they aren't and don't, or their countries would be above USA.
It is self-selection of people who come here. Those willing to give up their friends, family, native language, familiar food and culture,
etc. to jump through the hoops and suffer immigration indignities to MOVE UP.

I am one, former H-1B. I am a US citizen for 10 years now, desperate for nothing.
It is Sunday, nice day outside. I am at work (as always), writing this in my lunch break at my desk.

If you call that "compliant workforce", so be it.

and this is exactly what I want for my children. More people like this in our culture.

I have worked with many people like PP and not only are they arrogant like this poster, many are the most racist people I know. Think blacks are degenerates and hispanics are for physical labor only. The major Indian bodyshops, like Infosys, are the most racist firms in the US. Murthy, the CEO, has said that they need to be multi-cultural. They have been sued for racism. Try to find an african american at Infosys.

"I think by and large, the Indian mindset is always to take the soft option. Becoming multi-cultural is a very, very hard option, it's not easy. Our managers will have to learn with non-Indian professionals, how to get the best out of them, how to work in teams that are multi-cultural, how to make sure that we understand the rules of crossing cultures," Infosys CEO, Narayana Murthy said.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edtx/pr/indian-corporation-pays-record-amount-settle-allegations-systemic-visa-fraud-and-abuse
http://zeenews.india.com/companies/stop-sending-indians-on-h1-b-visas-hire-us-locals-narayana-murthy-to-indian-it-companies_1973063.html
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3137500/it-careers/infosys-u-s-workforce-is-mostly-south-asian-and-no-accident-plaintiffs-allege.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

we find hundreds of candidates. where are you looking that you can't find good candidates?

The h1bs we have hired are risk averse, obedient, and not very creative. These candidates tend to be low skilled people that are placed in unix admin, dba, change management, project managers, testers, software developers. used for staff augmentation (latest fad term). it is all about cheap and replaceable.

Our process is pretty demanding. Less than 10% of those who interview get an offer. We test on business (cases), technical and presentation skills. We may be an outlier, that I admit.

Sounds like Capital One. One big H1B user. But I hear they are trying to bring in house after being burned. Smart company.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

Sure, that is what you want.
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year.
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that.

You are delusional. I have many friends at google and intel. None are working 80 hrs. And all make their kids games. Is that the song and dance infosys sells to keep its employees in line, this false dream to work at a real tech company?

I have worked at one of those high tech companies that is being referenced here. Most allow flexible working hours, so you can often end up working more than 40 hrs/week (probably not 80 though) because many typically work at night from home after the kids have gone to bed. And I have seen emails being sent on the weekend. This is how they make their kids' games, school activities, etc...

H1Bs who want a green card are indentured servants, though. I've had many close friends come over as H1Bs and then apply for GC.

That said, they really should put a $ cut off for H1B workers. Any job that pays less than $100K cannot use H1Bs. However, if this had applied several years, Melania Trump would not have been able to come into the US to work (though some say she worked here illegally anyways prior to the H1B). Models get paid by gigs, and agencies don't guarantee a fixed wage. But, I'm sure Trump will make exceptions for the modeling industry.

Agreed, 40 hour weeks and clock watching are not normal Google or the like. They do work 'all the time' in the flex schedule way, but total hours won't be 80. Usually more than 40 but not insane because their creative prowess is what makes them valuable not grinding widget hours.

A ceiling floor makes sense -- if these are coveted unfillable technical roles, a high salary should be baked in. This will help flush out the line staff roles they import for middling wages. And they won't outsource this work bc at the end of the day they need control of the data and infrastructure, it is their life blood and very very valuable. Opening it up to a contractors office in bangelore, leaving the welcome mat out for cybercrime and industrial espionage. This isn't like the call centers of 'Outsourced', these are says admins, DBAs, keeping the systems they depend on to run their business with very valuable data. They want it domestic and under tight access control, hence the H1Bs. If they can't get cheap labor they will pay more bc the risk of outsourcing is too great.

PP here. I disagree with the bolded.

Many of those high tech companies use offshore models for managing their internal data already. Some even offshore admin work -- things like month end close, billing, collection, etc to places like the Philippines. I've worked with some of them. They work US hours. I predict if the H1B is cut dramatically for the under $100K jobs, many of the larger companies will offshore more work. It's a cost cutting move, pure and simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is Trump going to do about this?

Trump is a moron. So are his lackeys.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is Trump going to do about this?

If he blows up thr H1B vis program i dont give a fuck what else he does. I'll vote him into kinghood.

This is agree with, and I agree with absolutely nothing else that Trump stands for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't want to live in a country where all people do is work -7 days a week /12 hours a day. I don't my kids to grow up and have that kind of life no matter how much money they make. I want them to be able to go to their kids baseball, basketball, soccer, and football games (if anyone is even playing football in 20 years). I want them to come visit me on Mother's Day and Christmas and attend other family events on the weekends and after work. I don't want to live in a neighborhood with neighbors who work 80 hours a week. I am not happy Trump won but if he cuts H1b visas I will be happy.

Sure, that is what you want.
But employers want and, more importantly, USA needs people who WILL work 80 hours a week instead of attending family events.
Who have more than enough for rest of their lives and still want only one thing - MORE.
Because the Intels and Yahoos and Googles are not built by those who spend their workdays looking at the clock to not miss their kids baseball.
So Trump will NOT abolish H-1B visas, in fact (just announced) the number for next FY will be exactly same as last year.
Some excesses, abuses, and document frauds may well be curtailed and total numbers cut some. I fully support that.

You are delusional. I have many friends at google and intel. None are working 80 hrs. And all make their kids games. Is that the song and dance infosys sells to keep its employees in line, this false dream to work at a real tech company?

I have worked at one of those high tech companies that is being referenced here. Most allow flexible working hours, so you can often end up working more than 40 hrs/week (probably not 80 though) because many typically work at night from home after the kids have gone to bed. And I have seen emails being sent on the weekend. This is how they make their kids' games, school activities, etc...

H1Bs who want a green card are indentured servants, though. I've had many close friends come over as H1Bs and then apply for GC.

That said, they really should put a $ cut off for H1B workers. Any job that pays less than $100K cannot use H1Bs. However, if this had applied several years, Melania Trump would not have been able to come into the US to work (though some say she worked here illegally anyways prior to the H1B). Models get paid by gigs, and agencies don't guarantee a fixed wage. But, I'm sure Trump will make exceptions for the modeling industry.

Agreed, 40 hour weeks and clock watching are not normal Google or the like. They do work 'all the time' in the flex schedule way, but total hours won't be 80. Usually more than 40 but not insane because their creative prowess is what makes them valuable not grinding widget hours.

A ceiling floor makes sense -- if these are coveted unfillable technical roles, a high salary should be baked in. This will help flush out the line staff roles they import for middling wages. And they won't outsource this work bc at the end of the day they need control of the data and infrastructure, it is their life blood and very very valuable. Opening it up to a contractors office in bangelore, leaving the welcome mat out for cybercrime and industrial espionage. This isn't like the call centers of 'Outsourced', these are says admins, DBAs, keeping the systems they depend on to run their business with very valuable data. They want it domestic and under tight access control, hence the H1Bs. If they can't get cheap labor they will pay more bc the risk of outsourcing is too great.

PP here. I disagree with the bolded.

Many of those high tech companies use offshore models for managing their internal data already. Some even offshore admin work -- things like month end close, billing, collection, etc to places like the Philippines. I've worked with some of them. They work US hours. I predict if the H1B is cut dramatically for the under $100K jobs, many of the larger companies will offshore more work. It's a cost cutting move, pure and simple.

I disagree. I have seen 2 different projects outsource and then reverse action. People need to be onsite for part of the week.

Maybe trivial stuff, but any development or support, of any complexity or significant risk, will be done in US. We have used NetAPP and IBM and both have in USA support staff for 24 by 7 support. US guy may call indian guy, but we as customers go through US based guy. Then for our own systems, there is no way we would have off site dbas and unix admins in remote non-USA locations. And as for development, our management already tried it, and is bringing work back home. It was a failure to outsource development. The code was poorly written and did not meant requirements, industry is going to agile, which is complete opposite of outsourcing via contract.

If H1B has a salary limit, it will mean more H1Bs are for high skilled labor going to US corporations, which is what it was meant to be.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:maybe if we improved public education in the US we would not need to hire skilled workers from India.

seriously. this is the problem with being singularly focused on keeping manufacturing in the US. let's fix the education system.

agree

It's the best proactive measure out there. But this country - as is seen through the number of illiterate graduates - does not value education.

Not much analysis involved in your post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why should any tech company have to pay 150K in salary when they can get this work done for 60K, either by H1B visas or by sending the work offshore?

The only way American workers can get jobs in this country is by being very well qualified and skilled. These kinds of workers are gold and can write their own ticket.

Now, with the poor education system in the US, it is mainly Asian students who are coming up on the top by working very hard. So, even if the jobs were to go to US citizens, they will be Asian Americans.

So, the biggest con artist of all time will spend his time in the golf courses and rake in the cash, and those who had pinned their hope on an empty promise will keep waiting for the tide to turn.

Maybe things will change. I am waiting for criminal illegal immigrants to be deported, a stop to illegal immigrants, and all poor people dying because they will not be covered due to the new healthcare. The elites will take the country back, and Indian will get the chance to be the new BFF of the Trump administration.

Is there any way we can introduce Hindi Language in the school system now? We should get rid of the French and German, lets keep the focus on Spanish, Hindi and Chinese.

You're so full of it. My husband is ivy educated with MBA and has to compete against lesser educated, cheaper Indian labor. Fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?