microsoft lays off 700 with another 2200 come june.

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Why would Trump encourage the elimination of H1B visas if it will hurt corporation's bottom line? That seems contrary to his current trickle down economic policies and providing tax breaks to corporations?

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Anonymous wrote:Take a look at the British A level exams for instance. ...

Right. And how many H-1Bs from the UK have you seen (outside academia)?
Do they do A-level exams like that in India? I doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?

You are partly correct and partly incorrect. Are there lots of low skilled h1b in IT? Yes, but there are also a good number of top talent on h1bs, too.

No way - most of the H1Bs I have worked with definitely lack critical thinking and strategic thinking skills. If you get to know any of them, you will find out in school those skills are not stressed and are not well regarded. This is the biggest hurdle we have when working with them.

Very defensive , very blanket. I know tons non-h1bs who contribute nothing, I mean nothing useful and they have jobs. People with bare minimum degrees that need a handbook for every feature introduced. Hand holding, drama, change averse. Basically dumb as bricks. I work for a Fortune 50 company

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?

Well you are obviously baiting ....

It's not that H1Bs are used to hire exceptional talent - it's that we hire those pass the process. Some are H1B. Some are not.

As an example, we might ask a candidate to assess three projects: project A costs $50K and returns $20K a month for 12 months. Project B costs 90K and returns $55K for 8 months. Project C takes costs $10k and returns $5K for 28 months. Each project takes 1 month to complete per $10K. The boss wants the biggest return possible by the next board meeting in 24 months. What do you do?

Most people can't solve this. If you then ask them how much cheaper or faster project X had to be to be equivalent to project Y, many can't solve it at all.

Few who solve these kinds of problems probe at all - some can do the math but they never ask what the projects are, or if they can be run in parallel or have to be in sequence (most assume in sequence). A lot of candidates don't even contemplate doing more than 1 project.

And this is the basic stuff. Perhaps this seems simple to you - which if it does - congrats, you are already better than probably 70% of candidates

Interesting. How long do you have to discuss? It doesn't seem like a very hard question.

It just starts with something like that.

They might then ask you to evaluate the different projects from a strategic lens. That might uncover a probability adjusted likelihood of success - or it might uncover that one of the projects is converting existing customers to a more expensive plan per month. Good candidates might then question what the attrition would look like in the future. Great candidates might probe if the fees are monthly or yearly. You might then be asked to graph what the attrition curve might look like.

Those that get that far might be probed on competitive responses or asked about pricing promotion strategies, etc. How deep it gets really depends how well the candidate is doing. As I said, most can't solve for X, much less a simultaneous eq. It may seem absurd to ask technical people to do this, but we've historically empowered people to design and execute changes, so they need to be able to asses the value of a particular project and at least have some thoughts around how useful it might be or how it could play out for customers.

The case typically ends with asking the candidate to make a recommendation. By now, if they've done well, they'll know which project is stealing competitor share, which one is converting existing customers, which one has a high probability of success and which a low (so they'll have figured out the probability adjusted payout streams), will have probed about simulteanous vs sequential, etc.

Strong candidates will make a clear and concise case ("you run into the CEO in the elevator, he wants to know what to do, you have 60 seconds to convince him."), weaker ones will hedge and ramble.

FWIw I've seen this same approach at other companies too. At one firm I was given 100 or so pages of a presentation and asked which 3 slides I would bring to the board.

And then of course, there's the technical part of the interview.

NP here. No it doesn't seem like a hard question, but then of course you are going to get people who just put on blinders and focus completely on the math because, ugh, math question in an interview. Insulting. You will probably miss out on lots of intelligent strategic thought. Studies show that you get the best candidates not by tests (or personality tests) but by soft questions, going over candidates' best practices, mistakes, lessons learned, etc. Sounds like you are getting to that in what you are actually looking for, but going about it in a way that will not get you necessarily the right candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?

You are partly correct and partly incorrect. Are there lots of low skilled h1b in IT? Yes, but there are also a good number of top talent on h1bs, too.

No way - most of the H1Bs I have worked with definitely lack critical thinking and strategic thinking skills. If you get to know any of them, you will find out in school those skills are not stressed and are not well regarded. This is the biggest hurdle we have when working with them.

Your one experience doesn't equate to everyone.

There is an article that shows how some 70% of Intel Science winners are children of h1bs, current or former. I doubt the parents of these kids are lacking critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?

You are partly correct and partly incorrect. Are there lots of low skilled h1b in IT? Yes, but there are also a good number of top talent on h1bs, too.

No way - most of the H1Bs I have worked with definitely lack critical thinking and strategic thinking skills. If you get to know any of them, you will find out in school those skills are not stressed and are not well regarded. This is the biggest hurdle we have when working with them.

Your one experience doesn't equate to everyone.

There is an article that shows how some 70% of Intel Science winners are children of h1bs, current or former. I doubt the parents of these kids are lacking critical thinking skills.

And before you say they are all robots, regurgitating memorized facts, please educate yourself on what these winners have developed before you come across as uninformed.

Both family-based and employment-based immigrants were parents of finalists in 2016. In fact, 75% – 30 out of 40 – of the finalists had parents who worked in America on H-1B visas and later became green card holders and U.S. citizens

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2017/03/11/83-of-americas-top-high-school-science-students-are-the-children-of-immigrants/#699c5fec2200

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

Did you not miss the previous post about working everyday

Imagine if that person is your parent desperate for you to succeed

Just not good for American culture
H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?

You are partly correct and partly incorrect. Are there lots of low skilled h1b in IT? Yes, but there are also a good number of top talent on h1bs, too.

No way - most of the H1Bs I have worked with definitely lack critical thinking and strategic thinking skills. If you get to know any of them, you will find out in school those skills are not stressed and are not well regarded. This is the biggest hurdle we have when working with them.

Your one experience doesn't equate to everyone.

There is an article that shows how some 70% of Intel Science winners are children of h1bs, current or former. I doubt the parents of these kids are lacking critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea what the H1B scam supposedly is, but we struggle to find qualified candidates.

It's not that there aren't candidates who have a CS degree or something - there are plenty of mediocre candidates - there are very few quality ones. That's true whether we are talking us citizen or not. Generalizing a bit, we tend to see better poise and prescence from us citizens who are perhaps more culturally acclimated, but we see generally weaker mathematics and critical reasoning skills as well. On the flip side the the H1Bs tend to be on the stronger end of the bell curve in mathematics and related disciplines, and usually somewhat weaker on the presentation side.

We've never said "hey let's hire an h1b cause he's cheaper" or "let's hire a us citizen because they are a citizen". We hire those that pass the screening and testing process. Many citizens don't, many h1bs dont.

There seems to be this idea that because someone has completed a degree they are "entitled" to a job - or deserving of one - or because they've done a program they are equally qualified, but of course that's simply not the case. H1Bs exist because there's a desire to hire top talent, and some H1Bs - just like some citizens - are truly exceptional talent.

H1Bs are not being used to hire exceptional talent. Let us know more specifically what it would take to get hired by you. Stronger in mathematics, meaning what precisely?

You are partly correct and partly incorrect. Are there lots of low skilled h1b in IT? Yes, but there are also a good number of top talent on h1bs, too.

No way - most of the H1Bs I have worked with definitely lack critical thinking and strategic thinking skills. If you get to know any of them, you will find out in school those skills are not stressed and are not well regarded. This is the biggest hurdle we have when working with them.

Very defensive , very blanket. I know tons non-h1bs who contribute nothing, I mean nothing useful and they have jobs. People with bare minimum degrees that need a handbook for every feature introduced. Hand holding, drama, change averse. Basically dumb as bricks. I work for a Fortune 50 company

Been my experience also. And it makes sense because we pay bottom of the bucket now

Jobs that used to go to entry level college graduates from Virginia go to guest workers from india

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Anonymous wrote:maybe if we improved public education in the US we would not need to hire skilled workers from India.

"Skilled " workers from India use American school system to get skilled so they can compete
for jobs with American workers.

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Anonymous wrote:Take a look at the British A level exams for instance. ...

Right. And how many H-1Bs from the UK have you seen (outside academia)?
Do they do A-level exams like that in India? I doubt.

DP... actually, I know several from the UK who came here on an H1b, not academia. But, yes, currently, bulk are from India and China.