Pence on working moms

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm conservative and I think there room for a substantive conversation about daycare in America. It aligns with my family values and wanting people to be able to choose life and get ahead to have access to quality daycare when their children are most vulnerable. I agree with Hillary Clinton on raising this. I do find it strange that under this democratic president our military daycare subsidy (not full cost - just a few 100 to bridge gap to the incredibly costly quality daycare in this area for this who cannot use or find space in base daycare - a lot of people) was quietly dropped and not renewed.

Can you cite this? Everything I've found suggests the military daycare subsidy is alive and well.

http://www.militaryonesource.mil/cyt/child-care-options?content_id=267339

The Army changed its provider, but the program seems to be totally functional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

You need to take a hard look at your privilege. Most families cannot afford a stay at home parent. My daughter turned out to be an amazing human, daycare and all. It's what we give, talk about and impart in the time we have. Instead of disparaging other families, push for help for working families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mrs. Pence is a school teacher and has been for 25 years.

Public, private, parochial, or charter?

Don’t know why that is important, but from Wikipedia:
"She has taught at John Strange Elementary, Acton Elementary, Fall Creek Elementary, and the Orchard School, all in Indianapolis.”

You can check out the schools and figure out what category they fall into. Evidently, the Orchard School is an independent school.

Wondering if you asked the same thing about Biden’s wife when he was running with Obama. What kind of college did she teach at?

Don't f*ck with a woman who has managed to earn a masters and doctorate while raising children and teaching, among other things. She didn't come from the evangelical mold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

And what is the republican party doing to help women be their children's primary caregivers? I haven't seen any proposal for paid maternity leave. Most families in today's society are either two working parents or a single working mother. Most cannot afford the luxury of staying home with their kids until elementary school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a particularly relevant political statement to discuss on DCUM:

Mike Pence argued in 1997 that "day-care kids get the short end of the emotional stick" and that households with two working parents lead to "stunted emotional growth."

I agree. You can't say your kids are the most important things in your life, then farm them out for others to raise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a particularly relevant political statement to discuss on DCUM:

Mike Pence argued in 1997 that "day-care kids get the short end of the emotional stick" and that households with two working parents lead to "stunted emotional growth."

I agree. You can't say your kids are the most important things in your life, then farm them out for others to raise.

What a shock that SAHMs can't have an intelligent conversation in the politics forum. Wholly unsurprising, but still disappointing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

cool story, bro. "Work can wait?" Not for most people, you myopic, self-involved, elitist pig. I'd MUCH rather have my kids loved by a kindhearted daycare worker than cared for by someone as far up their own ass as you are.

[Anonymous]

Come on folks. Moms work. It's not going to change. Women are earning 60% of both undergrad and grad degrees. Women make up 50% of professional/management level roles. More women are running for Congress and holding pubic office than ever before and those numbers are expected to rise. Our economy is not going to function if all moms drop out of the workforce, including whatever company your husband works for.

If you prefer not to work, great. But yes it is troubling when a politician, and one who may be VP, has these kinds of ill-informed musings. So is this going to be an excuse NOT to support working families? If the middle class is having trouble is he going to blame working moms as the reason for inertia? Has his thinking on this changed in 20 years? Because that has implications for us all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come on folks. Moms work. It's not going to change. Women are earning 60% of both undergrad and grad degrees. Women make up 50% of professional/management level roles. More women are running for Congress and holding pubic office than ever before and those numbers are expected to rise. Our economy is not going to function if all moms drop out of the workforce, including whatever company your husband works for.

If you prefer not to work, great. But yes it is troubling when a politician, and one who may be VP, has these kinds of ill-informed musings. So is this going to be an excuse NOT to support working families? If the middle class is having trouble is he going to blame working moms as the reason for inertia? Has his thinking on this changed in 20 years? Because that has implications for us all.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

Crap. I knew I forgot to do something today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

Can you keep friends the way you talk? This is pretty breathtaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with him, on the day care issue, not on most policy issues. I feel really bad for those kids.

And I feel really bad for you, so there's that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would you feel bad for me or my kids? we have a great life. We do lots of amazing things together, but are also free to have downtime if we feel like it. I am free to take care of them if they are sick, I'm here for them when they want to learn, or need a hug, or go on adventures around town. We have time to run errands during the week so that weekends can be relaxing, and the kids aren't trapped in rhe same room 40 hours a week. Sure, I plan to go back to work when they start elementary school. But in the mean time, I think I'm the best daycare provider possible for them while they are babies. Do you really think your daycare provider loves your kid as much but as you do? Work can wait. There is no way I am leaving my kids in a daycare. If I had to, a nanny seems the best option. But daycare, no way. I don't think you should feel bad for me, My kids don't smell like some random other woman at the end of the day.

You need to take a hard look at your privilege. Most families cannot afford a stay at home parent. My daughter turned out to be an amazing human, daycare and all. It's what we give, talk about and impart in the time we have. Instead of disparaging other families, push for help for working families.

Most families can't afford decent daycare, either. Hence, "The Hell of American Daycare".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm conservative and I think there room for a substantive conversation about daycare in America. It aligns with my family values and wanting people to be able to choose life and get ahead to have access to quality daycare when their children are most vulnerable. I agree with Hillary Clinton on raising this. I do find it strange that under this democratic president our military daycare subsidy (not full cost - just a few 100 to bridge gap to the incredibly costly quality daycare in this area for this who cannot use or find space in base daycare - a lot of people) was quietly dropped and not renewed.

Can you cite this? Everything I've found suggests the military daycare subsidy is alive and well.

http://www.militaryonesource.mil/cyt/child-care-options?content_id=267339

The Army changed its provider, but the program seems to be totally functional.

We are.not in the army. In a different branch. I saw that too and was happy about it. We were told the provision for our subsidy had expired and would not be renewed.

[Anonymous]

And the job placement is no joke. No ones professional license transfers. The offerings are "would you like to work in commissary or exchange?" Its almost comical. Can you imagine reestablishing yourself professionally every two to three years? Lots of us drop out of the labor force. Can you afford one person working in your household? I had hoped to see MUCH more progress on this, especially given how much attention the societal aspects of the military have received over the last eight year.s