OJ: Made in America (ESPN Doc)

[Anonymous]

I saw it on iTunes, so no specific warnings, but Linda Holmes on NPR's Pop Culture podcast mentioned that sensitive viewers might want to be ready to look away during episode 4 due to the photos. I still glanced up at the wrong time and got the full shot of Nicole. Horrifying. But I understand why they showed it.

I found OJ's agent (Mike something) fascinating. It was his idea for OJ to stop taking his arthritis meds so his hands would swell in case they did the glove try-on. He comes across as a conscience-free opportunist through most of the series, only to have what seems like a moment of fairly authentic self-loathing and regret.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

OJ thought he was white.

His quote when AAs came out to support him 'what are all these n@ggers doing in Brentwood?" was the highlight of the ESPN special. OMG.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

OJ thought he was white.

His quote when AAs came out to support him 'what are all these n@ggers doing in Brentwood?" was the highlight of the ESPN special. OMG.

+1

AMEN!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

As a white person who lived through the trial and remembers it in the context of Rodney King etc., I do think I get it. I remember at the time listening to the interviews of black Americans and thinking that whites and blacks weren't really even talking about the same thing. (One guys's trial vs. institutional racism) I also didn't really care that he got off- he's just one, over-privileged guy with a bunch of expensive lawyers. BUT... I really can't see how anyone, white or black, thinks he really didn't do it, in real life. That I don't get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

I completely agree--especially with #2. Black people don't care about OJ (and I suspect the feeling is mutual). However, if anyone ever expresses outrage about the OJ verdict, but remains aggressively silent on the countless Blacks that have been murdered by police officers...and the George Zimmermans of this country, I know exactly the type of white person I'm dealing with and the conversation ends immediately. I have NO time for white people who don't recognize everyone's humanity and right to justice, regardless of race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

I completely agree--especially with #2. Black people don't care about OJ (and I suspect the feeling is mutual). However, if anyone ever expresses outrage about the OJ verdict, but remains aggressively silent on the countless Blacks that have been murdered by police officers...and the George Zimmermans of this country, I know exactly the type of white person I'm dealing with and the conversation ends immediately. I have NO time for white people who don't recognize everyone's humanity and right to justice, regardless of race.

+1. I was in high school in LA during the trial and remember being so relieved when he was acquitted. Now, as an adult I am sickened that I celebrated a guilty man getting away with murder. But OP hit the nail with how so many of us felt about race relations with lapd. To me, it wasn't a case against OJ, it was against the LAPD, and we celebrated their loss. I am biracial (AA/white) and have lived through my father getting harassed by LAPD, my uncle getting "arrested", beaten and left in an alley, mom harassed for being with a black man, cousin killed by Asian gang and his case never taken seriously because "black lives don't matter." It's a horrible way to feel.

I don't understand how Furman has any credibility and still makes a living consulting with news networks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

OJ thought he was white.

His quote when AAs came out to support him 'what are all these n@ggers doing in Brentwood?" was the highlight of the ESPN special. OMG.

+1

This totally changed my mind from the first PP on this post to the second PP on this post.

OJ had clear disdain for his own people - and AA people didn't even care. They used OJ as a "symbol", but OJ could not care less about them!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

As a white person who lived through the trial and remembers it in the context of Rodney King etc., I do think I get it. I remember at the time listening to the interviews of black Americans and thinking that whites and blacks weren't really even talking about the same thing. (One guys's trial vs. institutional racism) I also didn't really care that he got off- he's just one, over-privileged guy with a bunch of expensive lawyers. BUT... I really can't see how anyone, white or black, thinks he really didn't do it, in real life. That I don't get.

The people who say he did not do it, don't really believe it. That's the catch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, every time a white person erupts in hysterics over the outcome of the OJ trial, I know I am dealing with:

(1) a person too stupid to understand what "beyond reasonable doubt" means.

(2) an idiotic racist who thinks white lives are more important than all other lives. If you are not similarly disturbed and aggrieved by the thousands of unavenged black deaths in the time since the OJ trial, feel free to take a flying leap off the nearest bridge.

+1

AMEN!

I completely agree--especially with #2. Black people don't care about OJ (and I suspect the feeling is mutual). However, if anyone ever expresses outrage about the OJ verdict, but remains aggressively silent on the countless Blacks that have been murdered by police officers...and the George Zimmermans of this country, I know exactly the type of white person I'm dealing with and the conversation ends immediately. I have NO time for white people who don't recognize everyone's humanity and right to justice, regardless of race.

+1. I was in high school in LA during the trial and remember being so relieved when he was acquitted. Now, as an adult I am sickened that I celebrated a guilty man getting away with murder. But OP hit the nail with how so many of us felt about race relations with lapd. To me, it wasn't a case against OJ, it was against the LAPD, and we celebrated their loss. I am biracial (AA/white) and have lived through my father getting harassed by LAPD, my uncle getting "arrested", beaten and left in an alley, mom harassed for being with a black man, cousin killed by Asian gang and his case never taken seriously because "black lives don't matter." It's a horrible way to feel.

I don't understand how Furman has any credibility and still makes a living consulting with news networks.[/quote]

+1

[Anonymous]

Today Oscar Pistorius sentenced to 6 years for killing his girlfriend (3 years after the fact!) Will anyone remember after tomorrow? Where are the follow up stories on Casey Anthony? Robert Blake?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Today Oscar Pistorius sentenced to 6 years for killing his girlfriend (3 years after the fact!) Will anyone remember after tomorrow? Where are the follow up stories on Casey Anthony? Robert Blake?

There were stories on Casey Anthony this week - 5-year mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today Oscar Pistorius sentenced to 6 years for killing his girlfriend (3 years after the fact!) Will anyone remember after tomorrow? Where are the follow up stories on Casey Anthony? Robert Blake?

There were stories on Casey Anthony this week - 5-year mark.

Where's the outrage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today Oscar Pistorius sentenced to 6 years for killing his girlfriend (3 years after the fact!) Will anyone remember after tomorrow? Where are the follow up stories on Casey Anthony? Robert Blake?

There were stories on Casey Anthony this week - 5-year mark.

None of these others were like OJ. He was always a cultural juggernaut from the late 1960s forward. Plus the case itself was the advent of 24 hour TV, wall-to-wall media and a mirror into our American pop-culture psyche, especially about race.