What is your honest opinion on undocumented immigrants?

[Anonymous]

I think the first and formost responsibility of any nation state is to protect the welfare of all of its citizens. No matter my personal feelings on undocumented immigrants, undocumented immigration clearly disrupts the labor market for unskilled and uneducated workers in this country.

Sure, I get cheap oranges and chicken breasts, but my fellow Americans lose their jobs and have their wages depressed.

Thus, no matter how noble the efforts of undocumented immigrants to get here, I cannot support it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Illegals pay taxes. I have been illegal TWICE! Paid taxes both times. Can say same about my sister and 2 of my closest friends. We all paid taxes and did the tax return and all. All had SS number of our own, but I know plenty of people with tax payer ID numbers. Don't know anybody who uses somebody else's number. Quickest way to get in trouble.
No speaky English? Big deal. It's not an official language here.
Americans don't speak Spanish though it's 2nd language here and an easy language to learn. I did, why can't Americans learn it and stop calling it the Mexican language.
Breaking the law? What law? The laws of Native Americans? Who broke those? Doesn't count because it was so long ago? The nerve some have.
Many of the Latinos and their ancestors lived in the Americas way before Columbus showed up and before white man started to draw up borders here.
Also, read about all the "good" the USA has done in South and Central America (and elsewhere in the world) to help create the violence people are trying to escape.
You have enough workers? We can't find workers to work for $15-$25 in DC, not to mention to fill the minimum wage positions.
Why not see and read why the illegal immigration is the way it is and who is to blame if you want to blame somebody.
Want to talk about your feeling then talk to your shrink. Illegal immigrants are money for America. They are money for you, OP. You can choose not to see or believe it, but that's why they are here to stay.

Seriously, do illegals pay taxes? How so? I cannot imagine them having SSN or don;t even think it is possible to get SSN...How do they file it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the first and formost responsibility of any nation state is to protect the welfare of all of its citizens. No matter my personal feelings on undocumented immigrants, undocumented immigration clearly disrupts the labor market for unskilled and uneducated workers in this country.

Sure, I get cheap oranges and chicken breasts, but my fellow Americans lose their jobs and have their wages depressed.

Thus, no matter how noble the efforts of undocumented immigrants to get here, I cannot support it.

The problem with your 'argument' is simple, most of the labor jobs won't be filled by Americans even at good wages. Companies that require skilled craftsman and in the absence of trained people then advertise for apprentices often find no takers and those they do sign on leave. As a whole the work ethic of the unskilled and under educated, no American should be uneducated, isn't there. Nor is there much interest.

[Anonymous]

Their kids born here are NOT automatic US citizens, period.
They can stay jf they apply for residency by some set deadline, it may or may not be granted.
If they don't apply and are caught they and their children and family are deported.

[Anonymous]

Why do we owe the rest of the world a place in our country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do we owe the rest of the world a place in our country?

We don't but we can't stop them from coming... So, they keep coming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the first and formost responsibility of any nation state is to protect the welfare of all of its citizens. No matter my personal feelings on undocumented immigrants, undocumented immigration clearly disrupts the labor market for unskilled and uneducated workers in this country.

Sure, I get cheap oranges and chicken breasts, but my fellow Americans lose their jobs and have their wages depressed.

Thus, no matter how noble the efforts of undocumented immigrants to get here, I cannot support it.

The problem with your 'argument' is simple, most of the labor jobs won't be filled by Americans even at good wages. Companies that require skilled craftsman and in the absence of trained people then advertise for apprentices often find no takers and those they do sign on leave. As a whole the work ethic of the unskilled and under educated, no American should be uneducated, isn't there. Nor is there much interest.

Then the wage must rise. Everything has a price. And if a job has no interest as the current advertised price (wage), then the price (the wage must rise). This isn't rocket science

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the first and formost responsibility of any nation state is to protect the welfare of all of its citizens. No matter my personal feelings on undocumented immigrants, undocumented immigration clearly disrupts the labor market for unskilled and uneducated workers in this country.

Sure, I get cheap oranges and chicken breasts, but my fellow Americans lose their jobs and have their wages depressed.

Thus, no matter how noble the efforts of undocumented immigrants to get here, I cannot support it.

This is all that needs to be said. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the first and formost responsibility of any nation state is to protect the welfare of all of its citizens. No matter my personal feelings on undocumented immigrants, undocumented immigration clearly disrupts the labor market for unskilled and uneducated workers in this country.

Sure, I get cheap oranges and chicken breasts, but my fellow Americans lose their jobs and have their wages depressed.

Thus, no matter how noble the efforts of undocumented immigrants to get here, I cannot support it.

The problem with your 'argument' is simple, most of the labor jobs won't be filled by Americans even at good wages. Companies that require skilled craftsman and in the absence of trained people then advertise for apprentices often find no takers and those they do sign on leave. As a whole the work ethic of the unskilled and under educated, no American should be uneducated, isn't there. Nor is there much interest.

Then the wage must rise. Everything has a price. And if a job has no interest as the current advertised price (wage), then the price (the wage must rise). This isn't rocket science

Again, common sense! Thank you! The wages rise, better paying jobs for Americans. This poster is way too sane for DCUM!

[Anonymous]

My honest opinion? We're all humans, created by God, and all have the human rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." What country you came from is secondary to all of that. So if you are pursuing a life and liberty and happiness, and you come to America to do that, far be it from me to begrudge that. Welcome. I am a human being before I am an American. We are brothers and sisters created by God before we are "Americans" and "Colombians" or "Guatemalans," etc.

[Anonymous]

Undocumented workers are here for the same reason every single one of us has $600 phone in their pocket that would cost three times as much if it were made in the US. We like cheap stuff. It raises our standard of living.

As long as we are shipping products and capital across borders, people should be (relatively) free to move for better opportunities as well.

[Anonymous]

I'm a pretty liberal person, have never in my life voted for a republican, send money to liberal causes, etc etc.

But this immigration issue troubles me. I don't think it's good to have a whole underclass of undocumented workers. At the same time, the economy (and my ability to buy things cheaply) clearly relies on this underclass.

I don't think it's good, and I don't think there are any good solutions. I do think that by refusing to do anything for decades, the problems are getting worse, and willl only continue to get worse as we punt this issue down the road.

I would like to see those home countries in south and central America get better. I think it would make sense to have a stronger border presence on our southern border. And yikes, I'm starting to sound like I might support Trump - but that's the problem - there is no easy answer here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Undocumented workers are here for the same reason every single one of us has $600 phone in their pocket that would cost three times as much if it were made in the US. We like cheap stuff. It raises our standard of living.

As long as we are shipping products and capital across borders, people should be (relatively) free to move for better opportunities as well.

It raises WHOSE standard of living? Yours? Assuming you are already middle class which it sounds like you are. Because American unskilled uneducated workers aren't the ones buying the cheap crap that raises YOUR standard of living. They cant afford it. (And it is all crap!) Maybe what our consumerist greedy country needs is less "cheap" stuff that we dispose of quickly anyway and more better paying jobs to raise the standard of living for ALL AMERICANS?

And quit relying on what is essentially slave labor from under the table illegal workers who are willing to work for pennies and send most of it back home to their countries anyway doing very little for our economy while draining us of resources. Immigration is a must but illegal immigration only benifits the corporations with cheap slave labor and greedy consumerist Americans that want their cheap crap no matter whose back it breaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My honest opinion? We're all humans, created by God, and all have the human rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." What country you came from is secondary to all of that. So if you are pursuing a life and liberty and happiness, and you come to America to do that, far be it from me to begrudge that. Welcome. I am a human being before I am an American. We are brothers and sisters created by God before we are "Americans" and "Colombians" or "Guatemalans," etc.

So, you are an open borders person?
And, you believe that anyone should be able to live in the US?
At any cost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their kids born here are NOT automatic US citizens, period.
They can stay jf they apply for residency by some set deadline, it may or may not be granted.
If they don't apply and are caught they and their children and family are deported.

That's not correct.

https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship

USCIS wrote:"If you meet certain requirements, you may become a U.S. citizen either at birth or after birth.

To become a citizen at birth, you must:

Have been born in the United States or certain territories or outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; OR
had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements"