Stop transgender kids

[Anonymous]

Co-ed locker rooms too. Let's be fair here people!

[Anonymous]

I lived on campus for four years during college, and for three of those years, both men and women used the same bathroom (toilets/sinks/showers). That was 25 years ago.

Actually, come to think of it, I grew up with "co-ed" bathrooms, and we have them at home now, too.

[Anonymous]

I know it is an unpopular opinion these days, but I agree with the OP. I find the tenderization of all things to be incredibly creepy and fucked up.

There's a front line documentary done pretty recently that follows the lives of a few teens and preteens going through this. In almost every case, they're living in pretty conservative place--and the choice to change genders seems to be a choice to conform to a set of tired feminine and masculine stereotypes. The girl born a boy wears pink, collects dolls. The boy born a girl likes short hair and skate boards. Both are taking puberty blockers, so as not to have any "bad" puberty effects.

Was it twenty years ago now that a family in Seattle ran into trouble because they wanted to block puberty for their disabled daughter? Now we've moved blocking puberty into the mainstream.

It is also worth noting that lupron is being given off label. That it can sterilize you. Cause bone loss. Diabetes. That it is no longer recommended for adult women.

All of this "progress" seems to be a tyranny of gender rigidity to me. All teens have body issues. The focus should be on self love, not on plastic surgery will fix all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know it is an unpopular opinion these days, but I agree with the OP. I find the tenderization of all things to be incredibly creepy and fucked up.

There's a front line documentary done pretty recently that follows the lives of a few teens and preteens going through this. In almost every case, they're living in pretty conservative place--and the choice to change genders seems to be a choice to conform to a set of tired feminine and masculine stereotypes. The girl born a boy wears pink, collects dolls. The boy born a girl likes short hair and skate boards. Both are taking puberty blockers, so as not to have any "bad" puberty effects.

Was it twenty years ago now that a family in Seattle ran into trouble because they wanted to block puberty for their disabled daughter? Now we've moved blocking puberty into the mainstream.

It is also worth noting that lupron is being given off label. That it can sterilize you. Cause bone loss. Diabetes. That it is no longer recommended for adult women.

All of this "progress" seems to be a tyranny of gender rigidity to me. All teens have body issues. The focus should be on self love, not on plastic surgery will fix all.

Why do you care how other people raise their children? Don't you believe parents have the rights to make their own choices (homeschool, not vaccinate, spank) that others might disagree with or even think are harmful to children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know it is an unpopular opinion these days, but I agree with the OP. I find the tenderization of all things to be incredibly creepy and fucked up.

There's a front line documentary done pretty recently that follows the lives of a few teens and preteens going through this. In almost every case, they're living in pretty conservative place--and the choice to change genders seems to be a choice to conform to a set of tired feminine and masculine stereotypes. The girl born a boy wears pink, collects dolls. The boy born a girl likes short hair and skate boards. Both are taking puberty blockers, so as not to have any "bad" puberty effects.

Was it twenty years ago now that a family in Seattle ran into trouble because they wanted to block puberty for their disabled daughter? Now we've moved blocking puberty into the mainstream.

It is also worth noting that lupron is being given off label. That it can sterilize you. Cause bone loss. Diabetes. That it is no longer recommended for adult women.

All of this "progress" seems to be a tyranny of gender rigidity to me. All teens have body issues. The focus should be on self love, not on plastic surgery will fix all.

You are telling transgender people that they are perceiving their identity wrong. Why are you doing that? Why do you think that you know more about other people's identity than they do?

[Anonymous]

I care when other people are giving their children drugs in the name of social conformity. I care when our society starts defining women as people looking like caitlyn Jenner. I have absolutely no issue with an adult having a gender reassignmebt--none at all. But I do not think that is a decision to be made by an eight year old, nor should an eight year old's preferences in hair style, clothing, or toys be something that requires them to be "reassigned."

Regarding bathrooms and kids: if the emphasis was just on allowing everyone to express their own preferences why do you need CO Ed spaces? Do you need them now because you're afraid masculine boys will beat up the femmy ones? And if that's the case, why the hell aren't you teaching the masculine boys better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Transgender children aren't kids who want to wear clothes and play with toys of the opposite sex. They are kids who repeatedly communicate that their body feels wrong and doesn't match how they feel in their head. That goes way beyond what you are talking about, OP.

Either you don't really know what you're talking about (in which case, why start a thread?) or you have an agenda and you're trying to start something.

Either way, nobody is putting tomboys on testosterone or castrating little boys who wear dresses. You're overreacting to something that isn't happening.

X1000.

I really wish people would open their minds just a little to properly educate themselves before developing such strong opinions. Stop assuming you've got it all figured out, because you likely don't. Then practice a little empathy.

[Anonymous]

No. I am telling parents that their child's opinions about their own identity do not require medical intervention. Who are you to say that developing secondary sex characteristics is "wrong" or "bad?" You're less far off from a cheerleader laughing at the fat girl than you think, for all your preaching of tolerance.

[Anonymous]

There's a front line documentary where people are doing that exact thing. Watch it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. I am telling parents that their child's opinions about their own identity do not require medical intervention. Who are you to say that developing secondary sex characteristics is "wrong" or "bad?" You're less far off from a cheerleader laughing at the fat girl than you think, for all your preaching of tolerance.

Who are you to say that a person should develop these secondary sex characteristics instead of those secondary sex characteristics?

Now of course you are free to tell any parent anything you want about that parent should raise their child, but it's up to the parent to decide whether or not to heed you. And if you're trying to get parents to heed you, "I know more about your kid than you do" is probably not a good place to start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I care when other people are giving their children drugs in the name of social conformity. I care when our society starts defining women as people looking like caitlyn Jenner. I have absolutely no issue with an adult having a gender reassignmebt--none at all. But I do not think that is a decision to be made by an eight year old, nor should an eight year old's preferences in hair style, clothing, or toys be something that requires them to be "reassigned."

Regarding bathrooms and kids: if the emphasis was just on allowing everyone to express their own preferences why do you need CO Ed spaces? Do you need them now because you're afraid masculine boys will beat up the femmy ones? And if that's the case, why the hell aren't you teaching the masculine boys better?

I think you have that backward. Caitlyn Jenner is trying to look like society's idea of women.

Actually, you're wrong about the "co-ed" bathrooms too. The transgender bathroom fight is for people to be able to use the bathroom appropriate for their gender -- i.e., women use the women's bathroom, men use the men's bathroom, with no checks in anybody's pants to see what kind of equipment they use to pee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
All of this "progress" seems to be a tyranny of gender rigidity to me. All teens have body issues. The focus should be on self love, not on plastic surgery will fix all.

PP, have you ever discussed any of your ideas with real live actual people who are transgender? Or even one real live actual person who is transgender? If so, how did the dialogue go? You said, "You're not really transgender, you're just buying into society's rigid gender stereotypes! You don't need surgery, you just need to love your body as it is!", and the transgender person said -- well, what?

[Anonymous]

I think OP has a point. I don't remember the study, but somewhere not too long ago a medical study came out saying most of us identify at some level as being part of the opposite sex. That most of us weren't entirely one sex or the other. They had actually done a test to figure this out. The results make sense since we're all humans after all with similar characteristics and both have a female X Chromosome. My guess is that there is some sort of test to actually determine if your genetics makes you more prone to being bi-sexual, transgender, gay, or standard. I am fine with supporting trans-genders, but I do think a medical reason would help support the need to accommodate them better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Transgender children aren't kids who want to wear clothes and play with toys of the opposite sex. They are kids who repeatedly communicate that their body feels wrong and doesn't match how they feel in their head. That goes way beyond what you are talking about, OP.

Either you don't really know what you're talking about (in which case, why start a thread?) or you have an agenda and you're trying to start something.

Either way, nobody is putting tomboys on testosterone or castrating little boys who wear dresses. You're overreacting to something that isn't happening.

X1000.

I really wish people would open their minds just a little to properly educate themselves before developing such strong opinions. Stop assuming you've got it all figured out, because you likely don't. Then practice a little empathy.

NP. I agree with this 100%.

I've taught two gender-non-conforming elementary schoolers in the DC area. Both sets of parents were going through therapy to talk about how to best understand and support their children. The children were also in therapy. Neither family was forcing their child to conform one way or the other, to "be" a boy or a girl. One child went by his birth name but preferred to be called by female pronouns, the other went by his birth name and preferred male pronouns. Both families were in a learning process, and though this was several years ago, I still wish them all the best and wonder where they are now.

FWIW, I have many gender non-binary friends who are their birth-assigned sex, and I believe in trans rights. My son plays with Legos and swords...and dragons and fairies and princesses. He's my little boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"You feel you’re different and you don’t want to be who you are, you want to change,” she told Channel 9’s Inside Story.

She grew up as a boy named Ethan, but her family say they always noticed that she was female orientated.

“Ethan was always gentle to me, Ethan has always been Evie,” her father Scott said.

“I kept thinking it’s alright, once she gets to school, she’ll have to play with the boys and they will sort her out and teach her how to be a boy.”

Her parents plan on giving her puberty blockers when Evie starts to hit puberty to allow her more time to think about the future."


http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/02/25/12/46/the-amazing-story-of-a-10-year-old-school-boy-becoming-a-girl

Shows the level of traditionalness is people who allow their kids to transition. The idea of letting their little boy play with dolls is incomprehensible... so let's turn him into a girl, and then it will be okay.