Stop transgender kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most “trans” kids do not identify as trans when they grow up. Well, that was according to the studies a while back. Now parents are being pressured from schools, doctors, and other parents to medically and socially transition their children as early as possible.

These children are not girls trapped in boys bodies. They don’t need to be castrated or put on experimental drugs for not conforming to masculinity or femininity.

Your opinion has been noted. Several times now.

As has yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's kind of like how many wanted to classify Shiloh Jolie Pitt as being transgender, simply because she dresses "as a boy" and likes to be called John. Typical gender nonconforming girl, that in a different era would have probably grown up to be a lesbian and that would be it. Nowadays, everyone is rushing to say Shiloh is really a he and we need to address her as such. It's messed up.

Leave it up to the parents.

What if your parents are absolutely crazy, like Brangelina, and promote the idea of having a gender non-conforming child as part of their "rainbow," to up their personal liberal cred?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most “trans” kids do not identify as trans when they grow up. Well, that was according to the studies a while back. Now parents are being pressured from schools, doctors, and other parents to medically and socially transition their children as early as possible.

These children are not girls trapped in boys bodies. They don’t need to be castrated or put on experimental drugs for not conforming to masculinity or femininity.

Your opinion has been noted. Several times now.

These are not opinions, these are facts and statistics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, what are you talking about? I cannot imagine any parent *encouraging* their children to change their gender, or telling them they were "born the wrong gender."

While I don't think being transgender is a mental illness, to a certain extent it seems really sad and troubling to me, especially when I have heard people describe their feelings about their bodies.

Maybe OP watched the episode of The Blacklist in which a FICTIONAL Muslim father forced his son to have sex reassignment surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's kind of like how many wanted to classify Shiloh Jolie Pitt as being transgender, simply because she dresses "as a boy" and likes to be called John. Typical gender nonconforming girl, that in a different era would have probably grown up to be a lesbian and that would be it. Nowadays, everyone is rushing to say Shiloh is really a he and we need to address her as such. It's messed up.

Leave it up to the parents.

What if your parents are absolutely crazy, like Brangelina, and promote the idea of having a gender non-conforming child as part of their "rainbow," to up their personal liberal cred?

Can we apply the same logic to parents raising their kids within abusive Christian cults, or is that okay because religion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's kind of like how many wanted to classify Shiloh Jolie Pitt as being transgender, simply because she dresses "as a boy" and likes to be called John. Typical gender nonconforming girl, that in a different era would have probably grown up to be a lesbian and that would be it. Nowadays, everyone is rushing to say Shiloh is really a he and we need to address her as such. It's messed up.

Leave it up to the parents.

What if your parents are absolutely crazy, like Brangelina, and promote the idea of having a gender non-conforming child as part of their "rainbow," to up their personal liberal cred?

I dont think it's a liberal/conservative thing. Bruce Jenner is as conservative as they come, and yet she is transgender. I think being trans actually appeals to the very conservative types who believe girls should "act like girls" and boys should "act like boys"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone stop to consider that maybe the little girl that wants to dress in "boy clothes" (as in pants, t-shirts, etc), wants to play with trucks, and doesn't like "girl things", might be... gasp!... a lesbian? Or even a straight woman that is gender non-conforming?

Instead, more and more, these tomboys and feminine boys are told that they were "born the wrong gender", and need to be raised as the opposite sex.

It's very 1950s to me. Girls are expected to play with barbies, boys are expected to play with trucks. If they don't, that's not okay, and they must be born the wrong gender.

And then later, when those same kids enter puberty, no doubt they will be given drugs and hormones and possibly go through gender reassignment surgery so that they get the "right" gender. So we're going to drug up these little girls and turn their genitalia into a penis because.... they don't really like barbies and princesses and the color pink?

I feel really bad for these children.

Yes, in my limited experience, parents of children who identify as transgender, put a great deal of thought and effort into figuring why their kids are suffering, and how to help them. Generally they work with professionals, and children only transition after other options such as allowing them to wear different clothing, have been explored.

Many many children express interest in the toys and clothing of the opposite sex. They may also express a desire to be the opposite sex. But only a very small number of children express that they ARE the opposite sex, and demonstrate persistent unhappiness about their assigned gender.

I dont agree. If you read testimonials by parents of trans kids, many of them have reasonings like, "Every year when Bobby was told to pick out a halloween costume, he went straight for the princess outfits."

So? Let him wear the damn princess outfit! That doesn't mean it's time to start him on a track for major gender reassignment surgery. Sad.

I'm not sure what "testimonials" you're reading but in my professional experience working with kids and families of trans kids and attending various workshops in the medical community, this is NOT a decision that is made lightly. In fact, listening to the parents of trans kids speak about their own evolution of thought is both enlightening and often heartbreaking. None of the parents I've come across in my experience gave "testimonials" regarding their child simply being gender fluid and then naturally concluding they were transgender. On the contrary, the common thread throughout all their stories is that their children either talked about, thought about or actively tried to self mutilate because they were so distraught about their assigned gender. As the poster above noted, the transition is often a slow and carefully thought out one. It's easy to judge these kids and their families but until you walk in their shoes, you never know what sort of decisions your family would make in that situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's kind of like how many wanted to classify Shiloh Jolie Pitt as being transgender, simply because she dresses "as a boy" and likes to be called John. Typical gender nonconforming girl, that in a different era would have probably grown up to be a lesbian and that would be it. Nowadays, everyone is rushing to say Shiloh is really a he and we need to address her as such. It's messed up.

Leave it up to the parents.

What if your parents are absolutely crazy, like Brangelina, and promote the idea of having a gender non-conforming child as part of their "rainbow," to up their personal liberal cred?

I dont think it's a liberal/conservative thing. Bruce Jenner is as conservative as they come, and yet she is transgender. I think being trans actually appeals to the very conservative types who believe girls should "act like girls" and boys should "act like boys"

Ha. Bruce Jenner is not "as conservative as they come," not by a long shot. That is all part of his publicity stunt, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's kind of like how many wanted to classify Shiloh Jolie Pitt as being transgender, simply because she dresses "as a boy" and likes to be called John. Typical gender nonconforming girl, that in a different era would have probably grown up to be a lesbian and that would be it. Nowadays, everyone is rushing to say Shiloh is really a he and we need to address her as such. It's messed up.

Leave it up to the parents.

What if your parents are absolutely crazy, like Brangelina, and promote the idea of having a gender non-conforming child as part of their "rainbow," to up their personal liberal cred?

Can we apply the same logic to parents raising their kids within abusive Christian cults, or is that okay because religion?

Yes, in the example you give here, I would absolutely agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you actually KNOW any trans kids? My DD is friends with two kids in her grade who want to be the gender opposite the ones they are. Neither are encouraged. Neither has come out as gay/lesbian.

You don't find this a little strange? Not OP, but I wonder about the frequency of this. Two kids in 1 classroom? I'd actually be shocked if it was even 1 kid per school! Why is it so much more prevalent now than 30 years ago?

Because it's no longer listed as a mental illness. It's no longer something that a parent would tell a child to hide. It's no longer so serious that a child would suicide because they feel so wrong.

Progress means that people are freer to be who they really are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone stop to consider that maybe the little girl that wants to dress in "boy clothes" (as in pants, t-shirts, etc), wants to play with trucks, and doesn't like "girl things", might be... gasp!... a lesbian? Or even a straight woman that is gender non-conforming?

Instead, more and more, these tomboys and feminine boys are told that they were "born the wrong gender", and need to be raised as the opposite sex.

It's very 1950s to me. Girls are expected to play with barbies, boys are expected to play with trucks. If they don't, that's not okay, and they must be born the wrong gender.

And then later, when those same kids enter puberty, no doubt they will be given drugs and hormones and possibly go through gender reassignment surgery so that they get the "right" gender. So we're going to drug up these little girls and turn their genitalia into a penis because.... they don't really like barbies and princesses and the color pink?

I feel really bad for these children.

Yes, in my limited experience, parents of children who identify as transgender, put a great deal of thought and effort into figuring why their kids are suffering, and how to help them. Generally they work with professionals, and children only transition after other options such as allowing them to wear different clothing, have been explored.

Many many children express interest in the toys and clothing of the opposite sex. They may also express a desire to be the opposite sex. But only a very small number of children express that they ARE the opposite sex, and demonstrate persistent unhappiness about their assigned gender.

I dont agree. If you read testimonials by parents of trans kids, many of them have reasonings like, "Every year when Bobby was told to pick out a halloween costume, he went straight for the princess outfits."

So? Let him wear the damn princess outfit! That doesn't mean it's time to start him on a track for major gender reassignment surgery. Sad.

I'm not sure what "testimonials" you're reading but in my professional experience working with kids and families of trans kids and attending various workshops in the medical community, this is NOT a decision that is made lightly. In fact, listening to the parents of trans kids speak about their own evolution of thought is both enlightening and often heartbreaking. None of the parents I've come across in my experience gave "testimonials" regarding their child simply being gender fluid and then naturally concluding they were transgender. On the contrary, the common thread throughout all their stories is that their children either talked about, thought about or actively tried to self mutilate because they were so distraught about their assigned gender. As the poster above noted, the transition is often a slow and carefully thought out one. It's easy to judge these kids and their families but until you walk in their shoes, you never know what sort of decisions your family would make in that situation.

Exactly! When a parent is faced with a difficult choice like dealing with a child who won't stop trying to self-mutilate or possibly trying to suicide versus trying to help the child transition, what else can a parent do? It's not good for the child's emotional well-being to ignore what they are saying and doing.

[Anonymous]

I listened to a great podcast recently, "How to be a girl." I'm not as ignorant as OP but I haven't really had a lot of conversations with transgendered people (as far as a Iknow). The 6 year old girl, whose parents thought she was a boy when she was born, explains it pretty well.

[Anonymous]

I think the government definitely needs to get involved!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most “trans” kids do not identify as trans when they grow up. Well, that was according to the studies a while back. Now parents are being pressured from schools, doctors, and other parents to medically and socially transition their children as early as possible.

These children are not girls trapped in boys bodies. They don’t need to be castrated or put on experimental drugs for not conforming to masculinity or femininity.

Actually it was according to ONE study. The study was conducted by somebody who thinks that being transgender can be cured. And the result of the study was actually: most non-gender-conformingkids do not identify as transgender when they grow up. (Which shouldn't be surprising. Gender conformity and gender identity are two different things.)

http://prospect.org/article/born-way

But are parents suddenly forcing their sparkle-loving boys and sports-loving girls to take medication and undergo surgery, right left and center, as OP seems to imply? Not as far as I can tell. If OP has information to support OP's beliefs, OP hasn't provided it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Well I am concerned about the well being of the other 99% of girls, not the 1% of transgenders. There have been two cases in the last week of men dressing as women and than assaulting woman in the bathroom. I am not against transgender but your "daughter" shouldn't be allowed in women's bathrooms. She has a penis and needs to use the urinals. I would think the safety of the majority is more important than feeling better about using a certain bathroom for the 1% that is confused.

Argh, bathroom panic.

You are conflating two separate issues.

1. Using the bathroom for its intended purpose.
2. Using the bathroom for something other than its intended purpose (as a place to assault people, for example).

And people's genitalia are not relevant to either of these issues.