James Holmes--The sentencing verdict is really bothering me

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Death sentence due to mental illness won't sit well with me either.



+1000. Sentencing a schizophrenic man to death is barbaric. In fact, the death penalty is barbaric. Our prison system has to be overhauled. Solitary confinement is terrible. Minimum drug sentences are terrible. Trying children as adults is barbaric. Horrible.


If you don't believe in the death penalty you should really mention that during jury selection.


Doesn't that guarantee a jury that is pro-death penalty, thus defeating the whole purpose of a jury of peers?


It means that the jurors selected will at least be able to consider the death penalty as punishment in a death penalty case. A person who walks into deliberations with it already decided in their head "Uh uh. No way. Ain't gonna happen" regardless of facts, regardless of the law would be a poor juror. Of course, a person eager to impose the death penalty would be even worse and would also need to be excused.

I fall into the camp where I am uncomfortable with the death penalty but believe that it is an appropriate punishment in a very small number of cases.
Anonymous
Mental health services available to everyone would be great, but this guy was already getting those services.

I have serious issues with the death penalty and think it should be barred from being used for people who mentally ill, mentally retarded and children. I think the Supreme Court has already ruled on the latter two.
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I always think that is a strange argument. You have to be totally "sane" in order for us to kill you but you crime has to be so heinous that it warrants is killing you. Although one could argue that a person who could commit such a crime is already not mentally stable in the normal societal sense. It's likevwe want them to be the healthiest they can be to end their lives. It's an oxymoron (or something like that).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP, here. I do not feel terrible for his parents.


Why? Do you somehow think it's their fault? God help you if you ever have a family member with a serious mental illness. Getting them the help they need, including keeping other people around them safe, is shockingly difficult. I speak from experience.
Anonymous
It's been really interesting for me to watch my Facebook feed over the last few days. I grew up in Aurora and the sense of violation is really strong. Some People who were previously against the death penalty are frustrated and disappointed.
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Anonymous wrote:I'd worry that Holmes won't survive very long in prison. They'll be a bounty on his head. Just stating the facts and how prison justice works since there's a hierarchy of evil even among criminals.


He is going to supermax, no one will get near him.


Hahaha! Jeffery Dahmer thought the same thing.

PS, we don't say "supermax" anymore.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Not much difference, really. Both are mentally ill.


Not true at all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's been really interesting for me to watch my Facebook feed over the last few days. I grew up in Aurora and the sense of violation is really strong. Some People who were previously against the death penalty are frustrated and disappointed.


that's not good enough reason to impose the death penalty, though.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Mental health services available to everyone would be great, but this guy was already getting those services.

I have serious issues with the death penalty and think it should be barred from being used for people who mentally ill, mentally retarded and children. I think the Supreme Court has already ruled on the latter two.


He was getting services. And he was telling people for years about how he wanted to kill people. His one psychologist said he'd been obsessed with killing people for over a decade.

But he was allowed to buy guns and other weapons legally from stores. You can't pilot a plane if you are taking anti-depression meds, but you can buy a gun even if you've let everyone know you want to kill people.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's been really interesting for me to watch my Facebook feed over the last few days. I grew up in Aurora and the sense of violation is really strong. Some People who were previously against the death penalty are frustrated and disappointed.


that's not good enough reason to impose the death penalty, though.

I am firmly against the death penalty in all cases. My point was that some people waiver when it's close to home.
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PS, we don't say "supermax" anymore.


curious - what do we call it then?

I have learned through unfortunate circumstances that our lowest level of federal detention is called "camp" They still treat the prisoners there like dogs though.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I'd worry that Holmes won't survive very long in prison. They'll be a bounty on his head. Just stating the facts and how prison justice works since there's a hierarchy of evil even among criminals.


He is going to supermax, no one will get near him.


Hahaha! Jeffery Dahmer thought the same thing.

PS, we don't say "supermax" anymore.

the media does. Would you feel better if pp said he's going to Florence ADX?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Mental health services available to everyone would be great, but this guy was already getting those services.

I have serious issues with the death penalty and think it should be barred from being used for people who mentally ill, mentally retarded and children. I think the Supreme Court has already ruled on the latter two.


He was getting services. And he was telling people for years about how he wanted to kill people. His one psychologist said he'd been obsessed with killing people for over a decade.

But he was allowed to buy guns and other weapons legally from stores. You can't pilot a plane if you are taking anti-depression meds, but you can buy a gun even if you've let everyone know you want to kill people.


sad statement, but entirely true.

Of course, somehow that guy in germany got around the system and managed to take a whole plane down with him. Frustrating.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We teach our children natural consequences. I think a natural consequence of taking a life is forfeiting yours. However I agree with others here, Holmes is mentally ill. Lock him up for life, treat his illness.


His mental illness will be very hard to treat as he lives out his life in solitary confinement. It is widely acknowledged that solitary is devastating for the vast majority of people that endure it.

Not that he should really live out his life anywhere else...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It's been really interesting for me to watch my Facebook feed over the last few days. I grew up in Aurora and the sense of violation is really strong. Some People who were previously against the death penalty are frustrated and disappointed.


that's not good enough reason to impose the death penalty, though.

I am firmly against the death penalty in all cases. My point was that some people waiver when it's close to home.


fine, people waiver when it's close to home. Of course, they are likely suffering some level of post-traumatic stress.

I used to be for the death penalty in certain cases, but I just don't believe in it anymore. Too many questions and it hasn't been a deterrent in any way, shape or form.
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