American Muslims, why do you support same sex marriage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Muslim here. This is how I interpret it from the Quran (please forgive me, as this is how I interpret it. I'm no scholar.)

In the story of Prophet Lot (story of Sodom and Gomorrah), the prophet had warned his people of "immorality" for their homosexuality. Rather than obeying him, the people of Lot tried to remove their prophet from the city and tried to abuse the angels that came down to Lot as men. As the story goes, God destroyed the people of Lot with a natural disaster. God saved Lot and some of his believers.

The question is though, did God destroy the city because the people were gay? Or did he destroy the city because they attacked Lot and angels?

I don't think the Quran is clear about that.


As for the 42%, I wonder the demographics of that survey. I mean I support same sex marriage, but I'v heard my husband's aunt call it a disease, and other muslims say some quack things.

Practicing Muslim here too. This is a no brainer. Homosexuality is prohibited in the Quran. It is clearly in this ayah:
Surah Araf, verse 80:
"We also sent Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation ever committed before?
Surah Araf, verse 81:
"For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."


How practicing Muslims justify it is something I can not understand.

[Anonymous]

new PP here. born and raised in the Muslim family. that 42% is total BS and made up stat. do not forget for Muslim it is OK to lie to infidel. when this survey is performed most Muslims probably lied because they know how you can get into trouble for so_called discrimination if you do say you are against gays when somebody asks me that about gays I just flat out lie because technically there is no freedom in this country you cannot express your true religion belief and Quran says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished. most likely those people who made up that 42% lied just like I do. I don't care if you don't agree with me you ask a stupid question and expect that people will agree with you nope that's my honest opinion that is based on Quran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Muslim here. This is how I interpret it from the Quran (please forgive me, as this is how I interpret it. I'm no scholar.)

In the story of Prophet Lot (story of Sodom and Gomorrah), the prophet had warned his people of "immorality" for their homosexuality. Rather than obeying him, the people of Lot tried to remove their prophet from the city and tried to abuse the angels that came down to Lot as men. As the story goes, God destroyed the people of Lot with a natural disaster. God saved Lot and some of his believers.

The question is though, did God destroy the city because the people were gay? Or did he destroy the city because they attacked Lot and angels?

I don't think the Quran is clear about that.


As for the 42%, I wonder the demographics of that survey. I mean I support same sex marriage, but I'v heard my husband's aunt call it a disease, and other muslims say some quack things.

Practicing Muslim here too. This is a no brainer. Homosexuality is prohibited in the Quran. It is clearly in this ayah:
Surah Araf, verse 80:
"We also sent Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation ever committed before?
Surah Araf, verse 81:
"For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."


How practicing Muslims justify it is something I can not understand.

What ayas condemn lesbianism? Or women marrying other women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Muslim here. This is how I interpret it from the Quran (please forgive me, as this is how I interpret it. I'm no scholar.)

In the story of Prophet Lot (story of Sodom and Gomorrah), the prophet had warned his people of "immorality" for their homosexuality. Rather than obeying him, the people of Lot tried to remove their prophet from the city and tried to abuse the angels that came down to Lot as men. As the story goes, God destroyed the people of Lot with a natural disaster. God saved Lot and some of his believers.

The question is though, did God destroy the city because the people were gay? Or did he destroy the city because they attacked Lot and angels?

I don't think the Quran is clear about that.


As for the 42%, I wonder the demographics of that survey. I mean I support same sex marriage, but I'v heard my husband's aunt call it a disease, and other muslims say some quack things.

Practicing Muslim here too. This is a no brainer. Homosexuality is prohibited in the Quran. It is clearly in this ayah:
Surah Araf, verse 80:
"We also sent Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation ever committed before?
Surah Araf, verse 81:
"For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."


How practicing Muslims justify it is something I can not understand.

What ayas condemn lesbianism? Or women marrying other women?

I think that if homosexuality has been expressly forbidden in the Quran, as it has, it follows that lesbianism would be prohibited also. The ayahs posted show that practicing lusts on the same sex is the defined abomination, not just the homosexual act. And if practicing lust on the same sex is prohibited, then marrying the same sex would be prohibited also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:new PP here. born and raised in the Muslim family. that 42% is total BS and made up stat. do not forget for Muslim it is OK to lie to infidel. when this survey is performed most Muslims probably lied because they know how you can get into trouble for so_called discrimination if you do say you are against gays when somebody asks me that about gays I just flat out lie because technically there is no freedom in this country you cannot express your true religion belief and Quran says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished. most likely those people who made up that 42% lied just like I do. I don't care if you don't agree with me you ask a stupid question and expect that people will agree with you nope that's my honest opinion that is based on Quran.

Actually, I do believe in the 42% statistic. I am a practicing Muslim. I have Muslim friends who defend same sex marriage. I know it sounds crazy, but they do. I don't support same sex marriage though. I have had many discussions/arguments with them over this. When I pull out the Quran to show them the specific ayahs and explain the translation, they are often silent. It's just that the media and pop culture is so liberal leaning and powerful here that the public is made to feel bad about discriminating gays. Muslims should never feel guilty for following their religion, though. We don't hate gays; we just can not support gay lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:new PP here. born and raised in the Muslim family. that 42% is total BS and made up stat. do not forget for Muslim it is OK to lie to infidel. when this survey is performed most Muslims probably lied because they know how you can get into trouble for so_called discrimination if you do say you are against gays when somebody asks me that about gays I just flat out lie because technically there is no freedom in this country you cannot express your true religion belief and Quran says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished. most likely those people who made up that 42% lied just like I do. I don't care if you don't agree with me you ask a stupid question and expect that people will agree with you nope that's my honest opinion that is based on Quran.

Actually, I do believe in the 42% statistic. I am a practicing Muslim. I have Muslim friends who defend same sex marriage. I know it sounds crazy, but they do. I don't support same sex marriage though. I have had many discussions/arguments with them over this. When I pull out the Quran to show them the specific ayahs and explain the translation, they are often silent. It's just that the media and pop culture is so liberal leaning and powerful here that the public is made to feel bad about discriminating gays. Muslims should never feel guilty for following their religion, though. We don't hate gays; we just can not support gay lifestyle.

People should feel badly about discriminating against gays. Just as they should feel badly about discriminating against Muslims. We have a constitutional republic that is supposed to protect human rights for all. Not just white straight Christian men. We haven't been great at it all theses years, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. If you don't lien gay marriage, don't marry someone of your sex. But don't discriminate against those who do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Muslim here. This is how I interpret it from the Quran (please forgive me, as this is how I interpret it. I'm no scholar.)

In the story of Prophet Lot (story of Sodom and Gomorrah), the prophet had warned his people of "immorality" for their homosexuality. Rather than obeying him, the people of Lot tried to remove their prophet from the city and tried to abuse the angels that came down to Lot as men. As the story goes, God destroyed the people of Lot with a natural disaster. God saved Lot and some of his believers.

The question is though, did God destroy the city because the people were gay? Or did he destroy the city because they attacked Lot and angels?

I don't think the Quran is clear about that.


As for the 42%, I wonder the demographics of that survey. I mean I support same sex marriage, but I'v heard my husband's aunt call it a disease, and other muslims say some quack things.

Practicing Muslim here too. This is a no brainer. Homosexuality is prohibited in the Quran. It is clearly in this ayah:
Surah Araf, verse 80:
"We also sent Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation ever committed before?
Surah Araf, verse 81:
"For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."


How practicing Muslims justify it is something I can not understand.

What ayas condemn lesbianism? Or women marrying other women?

I think that if homosexuality has been expressly forbidden in the Quran, as it has, it follows that lesbianism would be prohibited also. The ayahs posted show that practicing lusts on the same sex is the defined abomination, not just the homosexual act. And if practicing lust on the same sex is prohibited, then marrying the same sex would be prohibited also.

You're assuming a lot, based on a little. No, the verse does not show that "practicing lusts on the same sex is defined as an abomination." The verse explicitly discusses men's lust for other men (as if they were women), and makes no mention of lesbianism or women/women whatsoever. Again, why is it forbidden? If God were really that concerned with, don't you think he'd mention it?

Also of course, none make any reference to love. Is love the same as lust? Is there no difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:new PP here. born and raised in the Muslim family. that 42% is total BS and made up stat. do not forget for Muslim it is OK to lie to infidel. when this survey is performed most Muslims probably lied because they know how you can get into trouble for so_called discrimination if you do say you are against gays when somebody asks me that about gays I just flat out lie because technically there is no freedom in this country you cannot express your true religion belief and Quran says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished. most likely those people who made up that 42% lied just like I do. I don't care if you don't agree with me you ask a stupid question and expect that people will agree with you nope that's my honest opinion that is based on Quran.

Actually, I do believe in the 42% statistic. I am a practicing Muslim. I have Muslim friends who defend same sex marriage. I know it sounds crazy, but they do. I don't support same sex marriage though. I have had many discussions/arguments with them over this. When I pull out the Quran to show them the specific ayahs and explain the translation, they are often silent. It's just that the media and pop culture is so liberal leaning and powerful here that the public is made to feel bad about discriminating gays. Muslims should never feel guilty for following their religion, though. We don't hate gays; we just can not support gay lifestyle.

People should feel badly about discriminating against gays. Just as they should feel badly about discriminating against Muslims. We have a constitutional republic that is supposed to protect human rights for all. Not just white straight Christian men. We haven't been great at it all theses years, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. If you don't lien gay marriage, don't marry someone of your sex. But don't discriminate against those who do.

You're assuming that Islam is a religion made by people. It wasn't. Muslims believe Islamic decrees are divinely inspired. So they can't be changed simply because society wants change. The decrees are from God and if God wanted gay lifestyle to be accepted, He would have said so. Muslims don't think gays need to be punished or discriminated in secular areas of life, but they can not support marriage equality because it goes against God's laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Practicing Muslim here. This is how I interpret it from the Quran (please forgive me, as this is how I interpret it. I'm no scholar.)

In the story of Prophet Lot (story of Sodom and Gomorrah), the prophet had warned his people of "immorality" for their homosexuality. Rather than obeying him, the people of Lot tried to remove their prophet from the city and tried to abuse the angels that came down to Lot as men. As the story goes, God destroyed the people of Lot with a natural disaster. God saved Lot and some of his believers.

The question is though, did God destroy the city because the people were gay? Or did he destroy the city because they attacked Lot and angels?

I don't think the Quran is clear about that.


As for the 42%, I wonder the demographics of that survey. I mean I support same sex marriage, but I'v heard my husband's aunt call it a disease, and other muslims say some quack things.

Practicing Muslim here too. This is a no brainer. Homosexuality is prohibited in the Quran. It is clearly in this ayah:
Surah Araf, verse 80:
"We also sent Lut: He said to his people: "Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation ever committed before?
Surah Araf, verse 81:
"For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds."


How practicing Muslims justify it is something I can not understand.

What ayas condemn lesbianism? Or women marrying other women?

I think that if homosexuality has been expressly forbidden in the Quran, as it has, it follows that lesbianism would be prohibited also. The ayahs posted show that practicing lusts on the same sex is the defined abomination, not just the homosexual act. And if practicing lust on the same sex is prohibited, then marrying the same sex would be prohibited also.

You're assuming a lot, based on a little. No, the verse does not show that "practicing lusts on the same sex is defined as an abomination." The verse explicitly discusses men's lust for other men (as if they were women), and makes no mention of lesbianism or women/women whatsoever. Again, why is it forbidden? If God were really that concerned with, don't you think he'd mention it?

Also of course, none make any reference to love. Is love the same as lust? Is there no difference?

Well, with regard to sexual relations in Islam, here are the impermissible acts clearly spelled out in the Quran:
- fornication between anyone of either sex
- adultery between anyone of either sex

And here are the permissible acts also clearly spelled out in the Quran:
- marriage between only a man and a woman

It's easy to deduce that premarital or extramarital relations between people of the same sex, be they male or female, is strictly forbidden because any and all fornication is prohibited. Lesbians who wish to marry and have sex can't do that either, because the Quran doesn't permit marriages between anyone except people of the opposite sex.

As far as love goes, the Quran doesn't say love is prohibited. If someone loves a person of the same sex, but doesn't act on it, it isn't a sin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:new PP here. born and raised in the Muslim family. that 42% is total BS and made up stat. do not forget for Muslim it is OK to lie to infidel. when this survey is performed most Muslims probably lied because they know how you can get into trouble for so_called discrimination if you do say you are against gays when somebody asks me that about gays I just flat out lie because technically there is no freedom in this country you cannot express your true religion belief and Quran says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished. most likely those people who made up that 42% lied just like I do. I don't care if you don't agree with me you ask a stupid question and expect that people will agree with you nope that's my honest opinion that is based on Quran.

Actually, I do believe in the 42% statistic. I am a practicing Muslim. I have Muslim friends who defend same sex marriage. I know it sounds crazy, but they do. I don't support same sex marriage though. I have had many discussions/arguments with them over this. When I pull out the Quran to show them the specific ayahs and explain the translation, they are often silent. It's just that the media and pop culture is so liberal leaning and powerful here that the public is made to feel bad about discriminating gays. Muslims should never feel guilty for following their religion, though. We don't hate gays; we just can not support gay lifestyle.

Practicing Muslim who posted early in the thread. I support same-sex marriage as do many of my Muslim friends/family, though not all. I believe the statistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who answered that are American Muslims, I was interested in HOW you came to support same sex marriage, not necessarily whether you do, given the clear prohibition in the Quran. If you are not a practicing Muslim, then I can understand you would come to the conclusion of supporting same sex marriage. However, if you are a practicing Muslim, how on earth do you stand in contradiction to the clear prohibition in the Quran?

I posted early in the thread.

Because the government must guarantee equal rights/opportunities to its citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American Muslim here.

I believe that the government should not be restricting any civil liberties. The government should treat everyone equally. I do not believe that another person's beliefs/religion/morals should affect my life, unless I am harming another person.

I believe God's laws are complex and nuanced, far more than we understand. I will leave God to decide who has sinned and whether/how he or she should be punished. It is not my job to do anything more than be kind and just and encourage knowledge.

I'm Christian, a pretty liberal one, and I believe exactly what you said! Kudos!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American Muslim here.

I believe that the government should not be restricting any civil liberties. The government should treat everyone equally. I do not believe that another person's beliefs/religion/morals should affect my life, unless I am harming another person.

I believe God's laws are complex and nuanced, far more than we understand. I will leave God to decide who has sinned and whether/how he or she should be punished. It is not my job to do anything more than be kind and just and encourage knowledge.

I'm a Christian, but completely agree with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:new PP here. born and raised in the Muslim family. that 42% is total BS and made up stat. do not forget for Muslim it is OK to lie to infidel. when this survey is performed most Muslims probably lied because they know how you can get into trouble for so_called discrimination if you do say you are against gays when somebody asks me that about gays I just flat out lie because technically there is no freedom in this country you cannot express your true religion belief and Quran says homosexuality is a sin and should be punished. most likely those people who made up that 42% lied just like I do. I don't care if you don't agree with me you ask a stupid question and expect that people will agree with you nope that's my honest opinion that is based on Quran.

Actually, I do believe in the 42% statistic. I am a practicing Muslim. I have Muslim friends who defend same sex marriage. I know it sounds crazy, but they do. I don't support same sex marriage though. I have had many discussions/arguments with them over this. When I pull out the Quran to show them the specific ayahs and explain the translation, they are often silent. It's just that the media and pop culture is so liberal leaning and powerful here that the public is made to feel bad about discriminating gays. Muslims should never feel guilty for following their religion, though. We don't hate gays; we just can not support gay lifestyle.

People should feel badly about discriminating against gays. Just as they should feel badly about discriminating against Muslims. We have a constitutional republic that is supposed to protect human rights for all. Not just white straight Christian men. We haven't been great at it all theses years, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. If you don't lien gay marriage, don't marry someone of your sex. But don't discriminate against those who do.

You're assuming that Islam is a religion made by people. It wasn't. Muslims believe Islamic decrees are divinely inspired. So they can't be changed simply because society wants change. The decrees are from God and if God wanted gay lifestyle to be accepted, He would have said so. Muslims don't think gays need to be punished or discriminated in secular areas of life, but they can not support marriage equality because it goes against God's laws.

Marriage in America is a legal contract. It's secular. You don't need a religious officiant to be considered legally married. And if you don't get a government issued license to marry, the government doesn't recognize your marriage. These are secular laws are are taking about when we talk about marriage equality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who answered that are American Muslims, I was interested in HOW you came to support same sex marriage, not necessarily whether you do, given the clear prohibition in the Quran. If you are not a practicing Muslim, then I can understand you would come to the conclusion of supporting same sex marriage. However, if you are a practicing Muslim, how on earth do you stand in contradiction to the clear prohibition in the Quran?

I posted early in the thread.

Because the government must guarantee equal rights/opportunities to its citizens.

Yes, but the government must also guarantee the freedom of religion clause to religious institutions and organizations too. Why aren't you supporting that part too?