American Muslims, why do you support same sex marriage?

[Anonymous]

Sodomy is a sin. So if 2 gays can live in celibacy, it could work

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm Muslim and I know the real reason and it's NOT for the reason PPs are saying. It's really unbelievable to me, but from my understanding, the real reason is so that the government will have to consider polygamy as a legal form of marriage if they accept two gays marrying then they will have to accept a man legally marrying four women. Real muslims in no way shape or form accept homosexuality. It's very clear that this is sin and an abomination. Clearly spelled out in the Quran. I think it's really twisted that some will accept something that is forbidden as a means to an end. Another thing against Islam- the ends never justify the means. As Muslims we CANNOT say something is OKAY if GOD has already told us it is not. Any Muslim worth his salt KNOWS this.

I respect your opinion for yourself, but you cannot and should not speak for all Muslims.

I'm not speaking for all Muslims. I actually said I can't believe that some Muslims are supporting this (even if it only to use it to their advantage). I am speaking for what is black and white in Islam- NOT my opinion.

You are saying that the Muslims who support gay marriage are doing it only because the government will have to consider polygamy. I personally don't know any American Muslims who are fine with polygamy. None of my friends would accept their husbands having a second wife. None. I'm sure there are some. But I wouldn't lump the 42% of Muslims who support marriage equality as doing so for only one purpose.

+1

[Anonymous]

Muslim woman. Consider myself of strong faith, but not well versed in my religion (like many ppl in their,own religions). I support all civil rights and truly believe gay ppl were born gay. I don't believe gay ppl are committing a public crime and that we as ppl have no right to punish other.

I loosely know what the Quran says on this matter but believe it's not my place to judge and don't think this contradicts my religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Muslim and I know the real reason and it's NOT for the reason PPs are saying. It's really unbelievable to me, but from my understanding, the real reason is so that the government will have to consider polygamy as a legal form of marriage if they accept two gays marrying then they will have to accept a man legally marrying four women. Real muslims in no way shape or form accept homosexuality. It's very clear that this is sin and an abomination. Clearly spelled out in the Quran. I think it's really twisted that some will accept something that is forbidden as a means to an end. Another thing against Islam- the ends never justify the means. As Muslims we CANNOT say something is OKAY if GOD has already told us it is not. Any Muslim worth his salt KNOWS this.

Do you own a house? Did you use a mortgage? If so, Interest is forbidden in islam but as a real muslim I'm sure you know that...why is a real muslim even living in america, aren't you basically supporting everything you stand against by supporting the american government?...the hypocrisy is real here...anyways I don't want to get so offtrack. The polygamy argument came from so far left field even I didn't see it coming, I've never met a single person that linked support of gay marriage with polygamy. I don't think it's anyones responsibility to judge the way others choose to live their lives, even if it goes against what I personally believe.

~Muslim with many gay friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sodomy is a sin. So if 2 gays can live in celibacy, it could work

the catholic church already proved celibacy doesn't work (RIP choir boys)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Muslim and I know the real reason and it's NOT for the reason PPs are saying. It's really unbelievable to me, but from my understanding, the real reason is so that the government will have to consider polygamy as a legal form of marriage if they accept two gays marrying then they will have to accept a man legally marrying four women. Real muslims in no way shape or form accept homosexuality. It's very clear that this is sin and an abomination. Clearly spelled out in the Quran. I think it's really twisted that some will accept something that is forbidden as a means to an end. Another thing against Islam- the ends never justify the means. As Muslims we CANNOT say something is OKAY if GOD has already told us it is not. Any Muslim worth his salt KNOWS this.

Do you own a house? Did you use a mortgage? If so, Interest is forbidden in islam but as a real muslim I'm sure you know that...why is a real muslim even living in america, aren't you basically supporting everything you stand against by supporting the american government?...the hypocrisy is real here...anyways I don't want to get so offtrack. The polygamy argument came from so far left field even I didn't see it coming, I've never met a single person that linked support of gay marriage with polygamy. I don't think it's anyones responsibility to judge the way others choose to live their lives, even if it goes against what I personally believe.

~Muslim with many gay friends.

Islam doesn't forbid interest. It forbids usury, which is excessive interest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Muslim and I know the real reason and it's NOT for the reason PPs are saying. It's really unbelievable to me, but from my understanding, the real reason is so that the government will have to consider polygamy as a legal form of marriage if they accept two gays marrying then they will have to accept a man legally marrying four women. Real muslims in no way shape or form accept homosexuality. It's very clear that this is sin and an abomination. Clearly spelled out in the Quran. I think it's really twisted that some will accept something that is forbidden as a means to an end. Another thing against Islam- the ends never justify the means. As Muslims we CANNOT say something is OKAY if GOD has already told us it is not. Any Muslim worth his salt KNOWS this.

I respect your opinion for yourself, but you cannot and should not speak for all Muslims.

I'm not speaking for all Muslims. I actually said I can't believe that some Muslims are supporting this (even if it only to use it to their advantage). I am speaking for what is black and white in Islam- NOT my opinion.

You are saying that the Muslims who support gay marriage are doing it only because the government will have to consider polygamy. I personally don't know any American Muslims who are fine with polygamy. None of my friends would accept their husbands having a second wife. None. I'm sure there are some. But I wouldn't lump the 42% of Muslims who support marriage equality as doing so for only one purpose.

This means absolutely nothing since you are personally familiar with only a tiny minority of American Muslims.

[Anonymous]

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Ditto. And polygamy (or polygyny, or polyandry) are actually forbidden in Islam, *except* under fairly specific and strict circumstances. Muslims ignore those circumstances all the time, and bend the rules in certain countries. Besides - pp is talking about religious, vs. civil marriage - the two are not the same.

As long as consenting adults make their own decisions without harming another individual, then I don't really care what people decide to do, to be happy in their lives.

You are being disingenuous. Polyandry is not even discussed in Islam. Polygyny is allowed without restrictions except on number and equal provision for each. It is most certainly not forbidden.

Also, Islam doesn't have a distinction between civil and religious marriage, all marriages in Islam are religious. No nikah = no marriage.

[Anonymous]

Are the numbers significantly different for American Jews or American Christians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:American Muslim here.

I believe that the government should not be restricting any civil liberties. The government should treat everyone equally. I do not believe that another person's beliefs/religion/morals should affect my life, unless I am harming another person.

I believe God's laws are complex and nuanced, far more than we understand. I will leave God to decide who has sinned and whether/how he or she should be punished. It is not my job to do anything more than be kind and just and encourage knowledge.

+1

I am not Muslim, I am Catholic, and I agree with PP wholeheartedly. Plus I simply do not believe that God created these people to be "wrong." If he did, he's a pretty terrible god, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sodomy is a sin. So if 2 gays can live in celibacy, it could work

So gays who only have oral sex, or lesbians that do not engage in anal penetration should be allowed to marry?

And straight couples who engage in anal sex should have their marriages annulled?

Please explain how you think this should be enforced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ditto. And polygamy (or polygyny, or polyandry) are actually forbidden in Islam, *except* under fairly specific and strict circumstances. Muslims ignore those circumstances all the time, and bend the rules in certain countries. Besides - pp is talking about religious, vs. civil marriage - the two are not the same.

As long as consenting adults make their own decisions without harming another individual, then I don't really care what people decide to do, to be happy in their lives.

You are being disingenuous. Polyandry is not even discussed in Islam. Polygyny is allowed without restrictions except on number and equal provision for each. It is most certainly not forbidden.

Also, Islam doesn't have a distinction between civil and religious marriage, all marriages in Islam are religious. No nikah = no marriage.

Now you are being disingenuous.

Because this has no relevance when it comes to matters of legal/civil marriage (which Muslims most certainly take advantage of, and rightfully so). Are you married? So you only had an Islamic marriage, and are not married when it comes to matters of the law? You wouldn't be a hypocrite, would you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ditto. And polygamy (or polygyny, or polyandry) are actually forbidden in Islam, *except* under fairly specific and strict circumstances. Muslims ignore those circumstances all the time, and bend the rules in certain countries. Besides - pp is talking about religious, vs. civil marriage - the two are not the same.

As long as consenting adults make their own decisions without harming another individual, then I don't really care what people decide to do, to be happy in their lives.

You are being disingenuous. Polyandry is not even discussed in Islam. Polygyny is allowed without restrictions except on number and equal provision for each. It is most certainly not forbidden.

Also, Islam doesn't have a distinction between civil and religious marriage, all marriages in Islam are religious. No nikah = no marriage.

Now you are being disingenuous.

Because this has no relevance when it comes to matters of legal/civil marriage (which Muslims most certainly take advantage of, and rightfully so). Are you married? So you only had an Islamic marriage, and are not married when it comes to matters of the law? You wouldn't be a hypocrite, would you?

Dear Muslima,
Cut the snark and insults (you only lose credibility) and stop digressing (the topic, obv., is marriage within Islam).
Sincerely,
A different poster

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Muslim and I know the real reason and it's NOT for the reason PPs are saying. It's really unbelievable to me, but from my understanding, the real reason is so that the government will have to consider polygamy as a legal form of marriage if they accept two gays marrying then they will have to accept a man legally marrying four women. Real muslims in no way shape or form accept homosexuality. It's very clear that this is sin and an abomination. Clearly spelled out in the Quran. I think it's really twisted that some will accept something that is forbidden as a means to an end. Another thing against Islam- the ends never justify the means. As Muslims we CANNOT say something is OKAY if GOD has already told us it is not. Any Muslim worth his salt KNOWS this.

I respect your opinion for yourself, but you cannot and should not speak for all Muslims.

I'm not speaking for all Muslims. I actually said I can't believe that some Muslims are supporting this (even if it only to use it to their advantage). I am speaking for what is black and white in Islam- NOT my opinion.

You are saying that the Muslims who support gay marriage are doing it only because the government will have to consider polygamy. I personally don't know any American Muslims who are fine with polygamy. None of my friends would accept their husbands having a second wife. None. I'm sure there are some. But I wouldn't lump the 42% of Muslims who support marriage equality as doing so for only one purpose.

This means absolutely nothing since you are personally familiar with only a tiny minority of American Muslims.

I only have to know a few to disprove PP's assertion that all Muslims who support gay marriage do so only to eventually legalize polygamy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Ditto. And polygamy (or polygyny, or polyandry) are actually forbidden in Islam, *except* under fairly specific and strict circumstances. Muslims ignore those circumstances all the time, and bend the rules in certain countries. Besides - pp is talking about religious, vs. civil marriage - the two are not the same.

As long as consenting adults make their own decisions without harming another individual, then I don't really care what people decide to do, to be happy in their lives.

You are being disingenuous. Polyandry is not even discussed in Islam. Polygyny is allowed without restrictions except on number and equal provision for each. It is most certainly not forbidden.

Also, Islam doesn't have a distinction between civil and religious marriage, all marriages in Islam are religious. No nikah = no marriage.

Now you are being disingenuous.

Because this has no relevance when it comes to matters of legal/civil marriage (which Muslims most certainly take advantage of, and rightfully so). Are you married? So you only had an Islamic marriage, and are not married when it comes to matters of the law? You wouldn't be a hypocrite, would you?

Dear Muslima,
Cut the snark and insults (you only lose credibility) and stop digressing (the topic, obv., is marriage within Islam).
Sincerely,
A different poster

Why are you calling that poster Muslima when she has not identified as such?