White People - the documentary

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really bored about conversations on race. Snoozefest.

Well, then you and your dismissive attitude are part of the problem.

The CONSTANT conversation is a big part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:We just returned from a trip to Europe. That's the history of white people. Meanwhile, back in Africa, things are the same as they have always been.

what? so confused.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole concept of "white privilege" is racist to the core. It is simply turning the tables on past racism. It is just as wrong in this context as it was in times past.

I'd love to assume that you're just trolling, but there are too many other people who ignore all the statistics, studies, data and anecdotes that demonstrate otherwise and hold similarly ignorant, narrowminded points of view to be safe in that assumption. Unfortunately, whichever group you fall into,trying to convince you otherwise is probably futile.

Isn't it just another way to blame the victim?

Think about it.

My white children are now victims of white privilege. Instead of learning who they are deep down to the core, their whiteness will define who they are. I almost wish I had married my very dark-skinned former flame since this color war doesn't appear to be ending.

Using the word victim to describe white privilege is so offensive and I'm a white woman. I do not understand why it is so difficult for some white people to accept that white privilege does exist.

It comes full circle, dummy.

My WHITE kids will be victims of this insanity unless we all grow up and get past this bullshit.

They're not to blame for anything. They're now growing up in a country where the white person is the enemy. Should I start teaching them about their white privilege? fuck no

Why should I teach them to feel guilty for nothing they've done?

This is complete crap, folks.

Please explain how you think your kids will become victims (besides becoming victims of boredom and fatigue which is what I'm reading here)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This threads is just a small example of why conversations about race can't progress and move forward toward reconciliation. Black and brown people are mad and want to be heard and white people don't care because they are just fine -- despite the tangible and non-tangible benefits many received via redlining and so on -- and so why should they talk/think/care about this?

'Murica man.

What will be the obvious signs when we have reached this point? I would like to continue conversations about race but I keep having the same ones over and over again and I'm a bit burnout. My friendships are starting to suffer because I hear the same exact messaging over and over again.

I don't know because I am burned out too. I get tired of talking to people who don't care to understand or see a different viewpoint on any issue involving race if it means they can't be right or the "good person." When there is a problem with a black person the black community has to fix that it's the problem of all black folks to fix that problem, but all I hear in this thread is white people saying that they are not responsible for something someone else white did. So black folks are always part of and lumped in with the "black community" but white people get to be individuals and therefore not responsible for any bad things their "community" has done? That is tiresome.

And frankly, my life is lovely. But I don't talk and talk and talk for me and mine because, honestly we will likely be OK. We will continue to work hard and push forward and succeed. But not everybody was raised by parents and grandparents like mine and had the advantages I did, so, I keep talking. Maybe one day things will change. Or maybe we'll all die in the zombie apocalypse and it won't matter.

I agree with your first paragraph. As for the second, I wouldn't be so sure. The story of the guy in Denver was pretty chilling - that white mom almost lost her son; until that happened, she didn't think race was something she had to worry about. http://www.npr.org/2014/08/15/340419821/after-a-traffic-stop-teen-was-almost-another-dead-black-male
Honestly, that's a big motivator for me - my kids' life and safety. No matter how educated our family is, and how open-minded our community is, our children will eventually venture out of our comfort zone and can experience police brutality and overt racism in other parts of the state/ country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole concept of "white privilege" is racist to the core. It is simply turning the tables on past racism. It is just as wrong in this context as it was in times past.

I'd love to assume that you're just trolling, but there are too many other people who ignore all the statistics, studies, data and anecdotes that demonstrate otherwise and hold similarly ignorant, narrowminded points of view to be safe in that assumption. Unfortunately, whichever group you fall into,trying to convince you otherwise is probably futile.

Isn't it just another way to blame the victim?

Think about it.

My white children are now victims of white privilege. Instead of learning who they are deep down to the core, their whiteness will define who they are. I almost wish I had married my very dark-skinned former flame since this color war doesn't appear to be ending.

Using the word victim to describe white privilege is so offensive and I'm a white woman. I do not understand why it is so difficult for some white people to accept that white privilege does exist.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Being able to be "tired of talking about race" is privilege. How wonderful for you that you can just be tired of talking about it. Ignoring it or being tired of talking about it will not make racism and the problems that creates go away *poof* like that. Participate in your society and be part of the solution by listening and trying to fix the problems.

Anyway, I watched it. Good stuff. I was skeptical at first that it would be some kind of white-bashing thing, but it wasn't. It basically allowed some young white people to talk about their feelings about race in a non-judgmental way. It didn't frame anyone as the boogeyman or scary white racist person. I wanted to hug everyone at the end.

Agree. The point of this film is that conversations about race tend to not include white people directly, which is why this documentary was made. All the comments about bashing and shaming whites clearly come from people who haven't bothered to see it.

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My ancestors owned slaves and IDGAF. Of course I feel bad for the discrimination faced by black people- what happened to Eric Garner and Trayvon was awful. But there's noway in HELL I'm going to be shamed for my skin color or what my ancestors did 300 years ago.

In fact, I'm proud of my ancestors for coming over for Europe and fighting their way to providence. I'm not going to feel ashamed just because thats in vogue now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My ancestors owned slaves and IDGAF. Of course I feel bad for the discrimination faced by black people- what happened to Eric Garner and Trayvon was awful. But there's noway in HELL I'm going to be shamed for my skin color or what my ancestors did 300 years ago.

In fact, I'm proud of my ancestors for coming over for Europe and fighting their way to providence. I'm not going to feel ashamed just because thats in vogue now.

Wow. I was relieved when my mother confirmed through genealogy research my ancestors did not own slaves. If they had, I would sure as hell not be so lacking in perspective and humanity like you. Your ancestors, who you are so proud of, settled, established and built their lives in the U.S. on the backs of people who had no choice. Their prosperity was gained on the spoils of other human beings who they owned. No need for shame, but how about a little humanity?

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NP-I don't think pp needs to feel bad for something she had no control over. That's ridiculous. She expressed humanity for modern discrimination, but feeling guilty b/c her ancestors owned slaves is ridiculous. Do black people feel guilty b/c other black people sold and owned slaves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP-I don't think pp needs to feel bad for something she had no control over. That's ridiculous. She expressed humanity for modern discrimination, but feeling guilty b/c her ancestors owned slaves is ridiculous. Do black people feel guilty b/c other black people sold and owned slaves?

Agree. You don't have to feel guilt because someone who shared some of your DNA three centuries ago was part of a messed up society. Guilt is the wrong word, meaning you are taking some accountability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole concept of "white privilege" is racist to the core. It is simply turning the tables on past racism. It is just as wrong in this context as it was in times past.

I'd love to assume that you're just trolling, but there are too many other people who ignore all the statistics, studies, data and anecdotes that demonstrate otherwise and hold similarly ignorant, narrowminded points of view to be safe in that assumption. Unfortunately, whichever group you fall into,trying to convince you otherwise is probably futile.

Isn't it just another way to blame the victim?

Think about it.

My white children are now victims of white privilege. Instead of learning who they are deep down to the core, their whiteness will define who they are. I almost wish I had married my very dark-skinned former flame since this color war doesn't appear to be ending.

Using the word victim to describe white privilege is so offensive and I'm a white woman. I do not understand why it is so difficult for some white people to accept that white privilege does exist.

It comes full circle, dummy.

My WHITE kids will be victims of this insanity unless we all grow up and get past this bullshit.

They're not to blame for anything. They're now growing up in a country where the white person is the enemy. Should I start teaching them about their white privilege? fuck no

Why should I teach them to feel guilty for nothing they've done?

This is complete crap, folks.

Please explain how you think your kids will become victims (besides becoming victims of boredom and fatigue which is what I'm reading here)

I don't want them growing up in a society where they're made ashamed of being white.

How hard is that to understand?

difficult for you obviously

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being able to be "tired of talking about race" is privilege. How wonderful for you that you can just be tired of talking about it. Ignoring it or being tired of talking about it will not make racism and the problems that creates go away *poof* like that. Participate in your society and be part of the solution by listening and trying to fix the problems.

Anyway, I watched it. Good stuff. I was skeptical at first that it would be some kind of white-bashing thing, but it wasn't. It basically allowed some young white people to talk about their feelings about race in a non-judgmental way. It didn't frame anyone as the boogeyman or scary white racist person. I wanted to hug everyone at the end.

Agree. The point of this film is that conversations about race tend to not include white people directly, which is why this documentary was made. All the comments about bashing and shaming whites clearly come from people who haven't bothered to see it.

I saw it as well and was pleasantly surprised. Good film. I think those talking about white shaming would especially appreciate it.

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I am mired tired of hearing abt trans this or that

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I meant "more"

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Anonymous wrote:I am mired tired of hearing abt trans this or that

tired of being shamed for being cisgender