Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas

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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

. okay, I get it. We are all to bow to the extremists. Control by terror.

Nope. Did not say that anything about bowing down to terror. My point is that in France and other Western countries, certain Muslims have reacted violently in response to cartoons about their prophet. I am not saying it is right and most Muslims would not say it is right. But the fact that violence occurred is an indisputable fact. So...if it happened in another Western country, why is it a surprise that it could happen here? If you want to go to this organization's next event in a heavy Muslim community - be my guest. I will pass.

The US is founded on tolerance and religious diversity. France, not so much. It really is different here, or at least it should be.

I would agree with you EXCEPT this event undermines that tolerance. TBH, in certain parts of the country, the tide is turning more against Muslims everyday. Once again, I do not condone the shooting, but I would have expected some sort of altercation because this event. This is what it was intended to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Bunch of open-carrying NRA loving Muslim hating right wingers yet it was the police who had to come in and stop the attack.

It shows that whole "we don't need cops, just carry a gun for self protection" thing is all just a bunch of bunk after all.

What???

The event organizer hired extra security, as they were required to do by the venue. Some of those security people (some were security for the school district that owns the building, some were off-duty police officers that were hired as security) were outside.

The shooters came up in a car. The participants in the event, the "right wingers" as you call them, were inside the building. So of course the security was the first line of defense.

Your rant doesn't even make sense.

It makes perfect sense, and the fact that the organizer was "required" to hire security is irrelevant. Evidently you are too obtuse to understand or accept the fact that the right wing gun rights movement's position is that we don't need security guards or police - that we just need more gun-carrying Americans as the solution to ending violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Bunch of open-carrying NRA loving Muslim hating right wingers yet it was the police who had to come in and stop the attack.

It shows that whole "we don't need cops, just carry a gun for self protection" thing is all just a bunch of bunk after all.

What???

The event organizer hired extra security, as they were required to do by the venue. Some of those security people (some were security for the school district that owns the building, some were off-duty police officers that were hired as security) were outside.

The shooters came up in a car. The participants in the event, the "right wingers" as you call them, were inside the building. So of course the security was the first line of defense.

Your rant doesn't even make sense.

Oh, for the love of....you are dead to anything but your own rhetoric.

It makes perfect sense, and the fact that the organizer was "required" to hire security is irrelevant. Evidently you are too obtuse to understand or accept the fact that the right wing gun rights movement's position is that we don't need security guards or police - that we just need more gun-carrying Americans as the solution to ending violence.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

"What did people expect?" Seriously?

I'll tell you what America expects:

We expect that we can publish a crass, tasteless cartoon like Cahlie Hebdo without the editorial staff being murdered in cold blood.

We expect that a woman on FaceBook can propose "Everybody Draw Mohamed Day" without being forced into hiding for over 4 years by constant death threats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

We expect that idiot neo nazis can lawfully apply to march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and they won't be denied their right to free speach, but only because an ACLU lawyer, a Jewish one at that, defends their rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

We expect that Westboro Baptist crazies will show up in an "insensitive" fashion, and we expect counter-demonstrations (I would hope so anyway).

THAT is what we expect, PP. Nothing less.

America is a diverse place. If you come to America, we demand you peacefully tolerate that diversity. If you don't like other people's views, then speak up. Get a permit and hold a peaceful demonstration. Write a letter to the editor. Start a blog.

But if your response to other people's viewpoint is to drive their with AK-47s, then I hope they shoot you dead before you hurt anybody.

NOW you KNOW what we expect, you intolerant, narrow-minded prick!

You guys are so wrapped up in your rhetoric, that you are toally missing the point. If violence happened in other Western countries becuase of stuff like this, why would you expect America to be immune to it? THAT is my point.

You seem comfortable with people bowing to terror by one religious group. Perhaps we should bow to terror by any group that feels offense.

Np here. Well, I am not comfortable with an anti-Islam organization intentionally having a contest that they know will be offensive and will provoke a reaction. Because I know that most Muslims are peaceful and it seems un-American to insult them. Sure, it is your right or the organization's right to have such an event. But if you have an event designed to provoke a reaction and an extreme variant of that reaction is what you get, you have not bowed to terror but you have helped create it by inflaming tensions on a whim. There is a reason this event was held in THAT neighborhood. Would you want an event like this at the school your kids attend? How about the neighborhood rec center?

Is it unamerican to insult Jews and Christians? No.It happens every day snd with increasing frequency. Islam is not s protected class just because it has radicals who chose to kill and terrorize.

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Dumbasses bait other dumbasses.

You just described 90% of the DCUM crowd.

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We can have a NEA partially sponsored Piss Christ and not be unamerican but cartoons about M are? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

. okay, I get it. We are all to bow to the extremists. Control by terror.

Nope. Did not say that anything about bowing down to terror. My point is that in France and other Western countries, certain Muslims have reacted violently in response to cartoons about their prophet. I am not saying it is right and most Muslims would not say it is right. But the fact that violence occurred is an indisputable fact. So...if it happened in another Western country, why is it a surprise that it could happen here? If you want to go to this organization's next event in a heavy Muslim community - be my guest. I will pass.

The US is founded on tolerance and religious diversity. France, not so much. It really is different here, or at least it should be.

I would agree with you EXCEPT this event undermines that tolerance. TBH, in certain parts of the country, the tide is turning more against Muslims everyday. Once again, I do not condone the shooting, but I would have expected some sort of altercation because this event. This is what it was intended to do.

Muslims who are throwing gay men off of buildings to their deaths are creating the turning of the tide.

Muslims who behead Christians en masse at the edge of the ocean are turning the tide.

Muslims who are kidnapping and raping you girls are turning the tide.

They should stop doing those things if they want to win friends and influence people.

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Anonymous wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/

(CNN)Two men who opened fire outside a contest for Prophet Mohammed cartoons in a Dallas suburb were shot dead by police Sunday night, authorities said.

The men drove up to the Culwell Event Center in North Garland, got out of their car and began shooting just as the "Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest" inside was coming to an end, Garland police spokesman Joe Harn said. [...] The event was sponsored by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, which is considered an anti-Muslim group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

The group said it specifically picked the venue, a public school-owned facility, because it was host to a event denouncing Islamophobia in January.

This is sad that this was done with the intent to cause the exact reaction it has. Michelle Malkin called a newspaper "cowards" after blacking out the offensive art.

Were they wearing short skirts, too?

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I think that the extreme Muslims need to chill. Look at the satire made of Jesus or the pope. If the Islamists have a problem with free speech and the first amendment, then there are plenty of hellhole countries where they might be happier, where "blasphemy" is punished as a crime.

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At least Texas knows how to deal with Islamofascist terrorists.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

"What did people expect?" Seriously?

I'll tell you what America expects:

We expect that we can publish a crass, tasteless cartoon like Cahlie Hebdo without the editorial staff being murdered in cold blood.

We expect that a woman on FaceBook can propose "Everybody Draw Mohamed Day" without being forced into hiding for over 4 years by constant death threats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

We expect that idiot neo nazis can lawfully apply to march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and they won't be denied their right to free speach, but only because an ACLU lawyer, a Jewish one at that, defends their rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

We expect that Westboro Baptist crazies will show up in an "insensitive" fashion, and we expect counter-demonstrations (I would hope so anyway).

THAT is what we expect, PP. Nothing less.

America is a diverse place. If you come to America, we demand you peacefully tolerate that diversity. If you don't like other people's views, then speak up. Get a permit and hold a peaceful demonstration. Write a letter to the editor. Start a blog.

But if your response to other people's viewpoint is to drive their with AK-47s, then I hope they shoot you dead before you hurt anybody.

NOW you KNOW what we expect, you intolerant, narrow-minded prick!

You guys are so wrapped up in your rhetoric, that you are toally missing the point. If violence happened in other Western countries becuase of stuff like this, why would you expect America to be immune to it? THAT is my point.

You seem comfortable with people bowing to terror by one religious group. Perhaps we should bow to terror by any group that feels offense.

Np here. Well, I am not comfortable with an anti-Islam organization intentionally having a contest that they know will be offensive and will provoke a reaction. Because I know that most Muslims are peaceful and it seems un-American to insult them. Sure, it is your right or the organization's right to have such an event. But if you have an event designed to provoke a reaction and an extreme variant of that reaction is what you get, you have not bowed to terror but you have helped create it by inflaming tensions on a whim. There is a reason this event was held in THAT neighborhood. Would you want an event like this at the school your kids attend? How about the neighborhood rec center?

Is it unamerican to insult Jews and Christians? No.It happens every day snd with increasing frequency. Islam is not s protected class just because it has radicals who chose to kill and terrorize.

PP here. I agree that they are not a "protected class" (although you are mis-using that word). But if you have event that is designed to provoke Muslims and to enflame tension with Muslims and certain radical Muslims ARE provoked, then I guess you have met your objective - even if that objective was not noble and arguably immoral.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

. okay, I get it. We are all to bow to the extremists. Control by terror.

Nope. Did not say that anything about bowing down to terror. My point is that in France and other Western countries, certain Muslims have reacted violently in response to cartoons about their prophet. I am not saying it is right and most Muslims would not say it is right. But the fact that violence occurred is an indisputable fact. So...if it happened in another Western country, why is it a surprise that it could happen here? If you want to go to this organization's next event in a heavy Muslim community - be my guest. I will pass.

The US is founded on tolerance and religious diversity. France, not so much. It really is different here, or at least it should be.

I would agree with you EXCEPT this event undermines that tolerance. TBH, in certain parts of the country, the tide is turning more against Muslims everyday. Once again, I do not condone the shooting, but I would have expected some sort of altercation because this event. This is what it was intended to do.

Muslims who are throwing gay men off of buildings to their deaths are creating the turning of the tide.

Muslims who behead Christians en masse at the edge of the ocean are turning the tide.

Muslims who are kidnapping and raping you girls are turning the tide.

They should stop doing those things if they want to win friends and influence people.

Are all Muslims doing this? Are the Muslims in the community in Texas where this event was held doing this? If the event holders want to prove a point, hold the event in one of the countries where one of those examples happened. Instead they hold the event in a community where by and large, the Muslims are law abiding and peaceful. It is their right, but it does not make it right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

"What did people expect?" Seriously?

I'll tell you what America expects:

We expect that we can publish a crass, tasteless cartoon like Cahlie Hebdo without the editorial staff being murdered in cold blood.

We expect that a woman on FaceBook can propose "Everybody Draw Mohamed Day" without being forced into hiding for over 4 years by constant death threats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

We expect that idiot neo nazis can lawfully apply to march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and they won't be denied their right to free speach, but only because an ACLU lawyer, a Jewish one at that, defends their rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

We expect that Westboro Baptist crazies will show up in an "insensitive" fashion, and we expect counter-demonstrations (I would hope so anyway).

THAT is what we expect, PP. Nothing less.

America is a diverse place. If you come to America, we demand you peacefully tolerate that diversity. If you don't like other people's views, then speak up. Get a permit and hold a peaceful demonstration. Write a letter to the editor. Start a blog.

But if your response to other people's viewpoint is to drive their with AK-47s, then I hope they shoot you dead before you hurt anybody.

NOW you KNOW what we expect, you intolerant, narrow-minded prick!

You guys are so wrapped up in your rhetoric, that you are toally missing the point. If violence happened in other Western countries becuase of stuff like this, why would you expect America to be immune to it? THAT is my point.

You seem comfortable with people bowing to terror by one religious group. Perhaps we should bow to terror by any group that feels offense.

Np here. Well, I am not comfortable with an anti-Islam organization intentionally having a contest that they know will be offensive and will provoke a reaction. Because I know that most Muslims are peaceful and it seems un-American to insult them. Sure, it is your right or the organization's right to have such an event. But if you have an event designed to provoke a reaction and an extreme variant of that reaction is what you get, you have not bowed to terror but you have helped create it by inflaming tensions on a whim. There is a reason this event was held in THAT neighborhood. Would you want an event like this at the school your kids attend? How about the neighborhood rec center?

When some hippie goes out a burns an American flag he "knows it will be offensive and provoke a reaction." Yet we consider it constitutionally protected speech. Why should be society then coddle Islamic reactionaries who probably hate our precious freedoms just because they take offense at something satirical?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

That's freedom of speech for ya.

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Who is coddling? Aren't the suspects dead? Or going to jail?

If someone takes offense at satire, they are allowed to take offense. What they are NOT allowed to do is shoot people. Muslim, Christian, or other.