Two shot dead after they open fire at Mohammed cartoon event in Texas

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

. okay, I get it. We are all to bow to the extremists. Control by terror.

[Anonymous]

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Dumbasses bait other dumbasses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

Not PP. No, actually I expect the US to be tolerant of obnoxious offensive people. I do not expect what happened in France to happen here, or at least I didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

I don't see people being so sensitive when it comes to their religions, Damn, on any given day it is open season on Jews and Christians here on DCUM alone. Yet, Islam is to be treated with special kid gloves. Interesting.

You are TOTALLY missing the point.

No. This is exactly the point. We have reached a point where it is perfectly acceptably to poke fun at religion EXCEPT Islam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

"What did people expect?" Seriously?

I'll tell you what America expects:

We expect that we can publish a crass, tasteless cartoon like Cahlie Hebdo without the editorial staff being murdered in cold blood.

We expect that a woman on FaceBook can propose "Everybody Draw Mohamed Day" without being forced into hiding for over 4 years by constant death threats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

We expect that idiot neo nazis can lawfully apply to march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and they won't be denied their right to free speach, but only because an ACLU lawyer, a Jewish one at that, defends their rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

We expect that Westboro Baptist crazies will show up in an "insensitive" fashion, and we expect counter-demonstrations (I would hope so anyway).

THAT is what we expect, PP. Nothing less.

America is a diverse place. If you come to America, we demand you peacefully tolerate that diversity. If you don't like other people's views, then speak up. Get a permit and hold a peaceful demonstration. Write a letter to the editor. Start a blog.

But if your response to other people's viewpoint is to drive their with AK-47s, then I hope they shoot you dead before you hurt anybody.

NOW you KNOW what we expect, you intolerant, narrow-minded prick!

You guys are so wrapped up in your rhetoric, that you are toally missing the point. If violence happened in other Western countries becuase of stuff like this, why would you expect America to be immune to it? THAT is my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

I don't see people being so sensitive when it comes to their religions, Damn, on any given day it is open season on Jews and Christians here on DCUM alone. Yet, Islam is to be treated with special kid gloves. Interesting.

You are TOTALLY missing the point.

No. This is exactly the point. We have reached a point where it is perfectly acceptably to poke fun at religion EXCEPT Islam.

No...you are STILL missing the point I was making although it appears that you are making your own point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

"What did people expect?" Seriously?

I'll tell you what America expects:

We expect that we can publish a crass, tasteless cartoon like Cahlie Hebdo without the editorial staff being murdered in cold blood.

We expect that a woman on FaceBook can propose "Everybody Draw Mohamed Day" without being forced into hiding for over 4 years by constant death threats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

We expect that idiot neo nazis can lawfully apply to march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and they won't be denied their right to free speach, but only because an ACLU lawyer, a Jewish one at that, defends their rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

We expect that Westboro Baptist crazies will show up in an "insensitive" fashion, and we expect counter-demonstrations (I would hope so anyway).

THAT is what we expect, PP. Nothing less.

America is a diverse place. If you come to America, we demand you peacefully tolerate that diversity. If you don't like other people's views, then speak up. Get a permit and hold a peaceful demonstration. Write a letter to the editor. Start a blog.

But if your response to other people's viewpoint is to drive their with AK-47s, then I hope they shoot you dead before you hurt anybody.

NOW you KNOW what we expect, you intolerant, narrow-minded prick!

You guys are so wrapped up in your rhetoric, that you are toally missing the point. If violence happened in other Western countries becuase of stuff like this, why would you expect America to be immune to it? THAT is my point.

You seem comfortable with people bowing to terror by one religious group. Perhaps we should bow to terror by any group that feels offense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Dumbasses bait other dumbasses.

You just described 90% of the DCUM crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

. okay, I get it. We are all to bow to the extremists. Control by terror.

Nope. Did not say that anything about bowing down to terror. My point is that in France and other Western countries, certain Muslims have reacted violently in response to cartoons about their prophet. I am not saying it is right and most Muslims would not say it is right. But the fact that violence occurred is an indisputable fact. So...if it happened in another Western country, why is it a surprise that it could happen here? If you want to go to this organization's next event in a heavy Muslim community - be my guest. I will pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

I don't see people being so sensitive when it comes to their religions, Damn, on any given day it is open season on Jews and Christians here on DCUM alone. Yet, Islam is to be treated with special kid gloves. Interesting.

You are TOTALLY missing the point.

No. This is exactly the point. We have reached a point where it is perfectly acceptably to poke fun at religion EXCEPT Islam.

No...you are STILL missing the point I was making although it appears that you are making your own point.

They are one in the same. Special status is to be afford one group because some of its members are called to terror. Any other group is open season for ridicule. Free speech is meaningless because certain radicals want to respond by terrorizing because it is Islam (and we have to be PC with this religion only) and we are supposed to ignore the response. Let's see how that flies if the fringes of another religion repeatedly respond in kind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

NP here, but I personally expect not to be shot at when I say or do something that's against someone's religion.

Well then you have not been paying attention to what happened in France, Germany and other parts of the world. Because given waht has happened in other parts of the world, if I attedended this event in an area with a subrantial Muslim population, I would expect some trouble.

. okay, I get it. We are all to bow to the extremists. Control by terror.

Nope. Did not say that anything about bowing down to terror. My point is that in France and other Western countries, certain Muslims have reacted violently in response to cartoons about their prophet. I am not saying it is right and most Muslims would not say it is right. But the fact that violence occurred is an indisputable fact. So...if it happened in another Western country, why is it a surprise that it could happen here? If you want to go to this organization's next event in a heavy Muslim community - be my guest. I will pass.

The US is founded on tolerance and religious diversity. France, not so much. It really is different here, or at least it should be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/draw-muhammad-shooting-who-was-behind-cartoon-contest-n353081

The event was sponsored by the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and attended by its president and co-founder, Pamela Geller — who is also president of Stop Islamization of America (SIOA). Both are listed as hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Geller, a prominent campaigner against plans for a mosque near Ground Zero, is author of "The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America." In 2013 she was reportedly barred from entering Britain, where she was due to speak at a rally organized by the far-right group English Defense League.

I'm not siding with the shooters in any way, but the person running this event was asking for and expecting violence. This was not a "free speech" event. It was an "insult Islam" event.

If your religion can't take a little criticism, maybe you should find a new religion.

Or move someplace less tolerant than the United States. Maybe someplace where insulting your religion is punished by death. I can think of several countries right now.

[Anonymous]

This is a good development. We can get the two groups who want to kill each other to kill each other and leave everyone else alone. Too bad the police got involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

"What did people expect?" Seriously?

I'll tell you what America expects:

We expect that we can publish a crass, tasteless cartoon like Cahlie Hebdo without the editorial staff being murdered in cold blood.

We expect that a woman on FaceBook can propose "Everybody Draw Mohamed Day" without being forced into hiding for over 4 years by constant death threats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Draw_Mohammed_Day

We expect that idiot neo nazis can lawfully apply to march through a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and they won't be denied their right to free speach, but only because an ACLU lawyer, a Jewish one at that, defends their rights:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie

We expect that Westboro Baptist crazies will show up in an "insensitive" fashion, and we expect counter-demonstrations (I would hope so anyway).

THAT is what we expect, PP. Nothing less.

America is a diverse place. If you come to America, we demand you peacefully tolerate that diversity. If you don't like other people's views, then speak up. Get a permit and hold a peaceful demonstration. Write a letter to the editor. Start a blog.

But if your response to other people's viewpoint is to drive their with AK-47s, then I hope they shoot you dead before you hurt anybody.

NOW you KNOW what we expect, you intolerant, narrow-minded prick!

You guys are so wrapped up in your rhetoric, that you are toally missing the point. If violence happened in other Western countries becuase of stuff like this, why would you expect America to be immune to it? THAT is my point.

You seem comfortable with people bowing to terror by one religious group. Perhaps we should bow to terror by any group that feels offense.

Np here. Well, I am not comfortable with an anti-Islam organization intentionally having a contest that they know will be offensive and will provoke a reaction. Because I know that most Muslims are peaceful and it seems un-American to insult them. Sure, it is your right or the organization's right to have such an event. But if you have an event designed to provoke a reaction and an extreme variant of that reaction is what you get, you have not bowed to terror but you have helped create it by inflaming tensions on a whim. There is a reason this event was held in THAT neighborhood. Would you want an event like this at the school your kids attend? How about the neighborhood rec center?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not condoning the gunmen showing up to shoot up the place, but this is the height of cultural and religous insenstivity.

Not only is there a "contest" to draw the prophet with everyone knowing full well the angst it causes among Muslims, but you have this "event" in a part of Texas that has substantial population of Somali Muslims. What did people expect to happen?

Yes, it is very insensitive to organize such an event.

But guess what? That still doesn't make it okay to try to kill the people who do that.

Didn't say it was "ok" did I? In fact I said that I am not condoning it - said that right there in the first line.

My point was given what has happened in other places in the wake of these types of cartoons, what did people expect to happen?

I don't see people being so sensitive when it comes to their religions, Damn, on any given day it is open season on Jews and Christians here on DCUM alone. Yet, Islam is to be treated with special kid gloves. Interesting.

You are TOTALLY missing the point.

No. This is exactly the point. We have reached a point where it is perfectly acceptably to poke fun at religion EXCEPT Islam.

No...you are STILL missing the point I was making although it appears that you are making your own point.

They are one in the same. Special status is to be afford one group because some of its members are called to terror. Any other group is open season for ridicule. Free speech is meaningless because certain radicals want to respond by terrorizing because it is Islam (and we have to be PC with this religion only) and we are supposed to ignore the response. Let's see how that flies if the fringes of another religion repeatedly respond in kind.

Actually they are not. You are using my point to bootstrap yours. My point was more factual. It happend elswhere, why do people expect that it could/would not happen here? I am not talking about ridiculing anyone or free speech.