lahoma Fraternity Caught Gleefully Singing a Racist Chant

[Anonymous]

It's interesting that one of the first rules we learn as kids is that you don't do or say something just because others do. However, when it comes to the use of the N word, that lesson is thrown away. I guess some people just really want to find a reason to use it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dumb kids. Suspend the frat for a semester.

Does anyone monitor the hate speech of black youths with similar intensity or do we only play "gotcha" with white boys these days?

Only whites can be racist

To clarify (though I am not the PP) --

Anybody can hate anybody.
Anybody can be bigoted against anybody.
Anybody can be racist against minorities.
There is no such thing as racism against whites.

I am so glad someone else posted this. I always feel like I'm the only one explaining the differences between racism, prejudice, and discrimination.

Chase yourself in definitional circles as long as you wish, but anyone who is honest knows there is racism, prejudica and discrimination against whites by some non-whites.

Racism is distinguished from the other concepts because it denotes power to harm, oppress, and devalue. There is none of this against whites in this country.

[Anonymous]

Back to the topic at hand:

An AA former football player tweeted this morning that he recognized some guys on the tape and that these same guys would congratulate him on campus and in class on good games. He said that like it or not, the athletic programs (and some of the AA student athletes) are asked to be the faces of OU and they bring in money to OU that benefits students as a whole. He said he bleeds OU colors but it difficult to know that the school that you risk your body for still has places on campus where you are not welcome. Thoughtful set of tweets. If I can find a way to post them, I will.

[Anonymous]

It's horrifying and sickening. It surprised me a great deal and I went to college in the actual deep South. Oklahoma is not the south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb kids. Suspend the frat for a semester.

Does anyone monitor the hate speech of black youths with similar intensity or do we only play "gotcha" with white boys these days?

Only whites can be racist

To clarify (though I am not the PP) --

Anybody can hate anybody.
Anybody can be bigoted against anybody.
Anybody can be racist against minorities.
There is no such thing as racism against whites.

I am so glad someone else posted this. I always feel like I'm the only one explaining the differences between racism, prejudice, and discrimination.

Chase yourself in definitional circles as long as you wish, but anyone who is honest knows there is racism, prejudica and discrimination against whites by some non-whites.

Racism is distinguished from the other concepts because it denotes power to harm, oppress, and devalue. There is none of this against whites in this country.

Really, so during the Ferguson riots a white immigrant was killed by black youths because he was, that's not racism? Mob violence, when blacks attack and target people solely because of the color of their skin, thats not racism? The most guilty party of racism in the present is by black leaders, black preachers, and black people.

[Anonymous]

For crying out loud- there is racism against whites by non-whites. But that's not really the issue here. The biggest for me was "hang him from a tree". Seriously, making light of lynching and singing how they'll never let a black guy join their little group is disturbing and really indefensible.

For me, its not really the use of the N-word. Happily defending institutional racism and making light of lynching is by far more offensive.

To anyone defending this- you realize this is specifically why there are "black fraternities" in the first place, right?

[Anonymous]

I find it interesting that this incident is now up to page 4 for discussions vs. the UCLA discrimination thread that pretty much died.
Also good the fraternity got suspended, so far I know the UCLA students are still in student government and it was "just a teaching moment"/

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/453996.page

Obviously people of all ethnicity and groups can be racist.

FYI I find both incidents repulsive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that this incident is now up to page 4 for discussions vs. the UCLA discrimination thread that pretty much died.
Also good the fraternity got suspended, so far I know the UCLA students are still in student government and it was "just a teaching moment"/

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/453996.page

Obviously people of all ethnicity and groups can be racist.

FYI I find both incidents repulsive.

I don't find it that surprising. I never read the College forum. I would never have even seen that other discussion had you not linked to it in your post.

[Anonymous]

why are some of you concerned with the tit for tat? cant you take this episode in isolation and just say its bad without having to wonder aloud about why another episode didnt supposedly get attention?

when you do that, you come across as being ok and/or justifying that its ok for a group of frat guys can sing a song about lynching blacks and using the n word. this is and should not be ok on any level. why do you feel the need to find some counter to this for the hell of it?

take it in isolation, say its bad, and move on. if you think its acceptable to call black the n word to to chant about lynching them, just say youre ok with it. you are already anonymous. nobody knows who you really are and you dont have to claim you have a black friend or that you arent racist. fess up and say you are cool with it and try to defend it. dont try to have it both ways

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why are some of you concerned with the tit for tat? cant you take this episode in isolation and just say its bad without having to wonder aloud about why another episode didnt supposedly get attention?

when you do that, you come across as being ok and/or justifying that its ok for a group of frat guys can sing a song about lynching blacks and using the n word. this is and should not be ok on any level. why do you feel the need to find some counter to this for the hell of it?

take it in isolation, say its bad, and move on. if you think its acceptable to call black the n word to to chant about lynching them, just say youre ok with it. you are already anonymous. nobody knows who you really are and you dont have to claim you have a black friend or that you arent racist. fess up and say you are cool with it and try to defend it. dont try to have it both ways

Overreaction. Noone said anything of that sort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely appalling.

The South terrifies me. I know there is racism everywhere, but there's a really gross combination of overtness, and Southern politeness, that freaks me out.

Oklahoma is not in the south.

Yes it is.

No it's not. Just because a gross thing happened there and you already hate the south doesn't magically make it the south. It's the midwest.

[Anonymous]

David Boren, the former Senator and governor of Oklahoma who is now president of OU, had this to say:

To those who have misused their free speech in such a reprehensible way, I have a message for you. You are disgraceful. You have violated all that we stand for. You should not have the privilege of calling yourselves "Sooners." Sooners are not racist. Real Sooners are not bigots. Real Sooners believe in equal opportunity. Real Sooners treat all people with respect. Real Sooners love each other take care of each other like family members.

Effective immediately, all ties and affiliations between this University and the local SAE chapter are hereby severed. I direct that the house be closed and that members will remove their personal belongings from the house by midnight tomorrow. Those needing to make special arrangements for positions shall contact the Dean of Students.

All of us will redouble our efforts to create the strongest sense of family and community. We vow that we will be an example to the entire country of how to deal with this issue. There must be a zero tolerance for racism everywhere in our nation.

President Boren

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dumb kids. Suspend the frat for a semester.

Does anyone monitor the hate speech of black youths with similar intensity or do we only play "gotcha" with white boys these days?

Only whites can be racist

To clarify (though I am not the PP) --

Anybody can hate anybody.
Anybody can be bigoted against anybody.
Anybody can be racist against minorities.
There is no such thing as racism against whites.

I am so glad someone else posted this. I always feel like I'm the only one explaining the differences between racism, prejudice, and discrimination.

Chase yourself in definitional circles as long as you wish, but anyone who is honest knows there is racism, prejudica and discrimination against whites by some non-whites.

Racism is distinguished from the other concepts because it denotes power to harm, oppress, and devalue. There is none of this against whites in this country.

Thanks for clarifying this for the bolded PP. Such a drain of energy repeating this over and over again to people who choose not to actually listen and understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:David Boren, the former Senator and governor of Oklahoma who is now president of OU, had this to say:

To those who have misused their free speech in such a reprehensible way, I have a message for you. You are disgraceful. You have violated all that we stand for. You should not have the privilege of calling yourselves "Sooners." Sooners are not racist. Real Sooners are not bigots. Real Sooners believe in equal opportunity. Real Sooners treat all people with respect. Real Sooners love each other take care of each other like family members.

Effective immediately, all ties and affiliations between this University and the local SAE chapter are hereby severed. I direct that the house be closed and that members will remove their personal belongings from the house by midnight tomorrow. Those needing to make special arrangements for positions shall contact the Dean of Students.

All of us will redouble our efforts to create the strongest sense of family and community. We vow that we will be an example to the entire country of how to deal with this issue. There must be a zero tolerance for racism everywhere in our nation.

President Boren

Strong. I like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's interesting that one of the first rules we learn as kids is that you don't do or say something just because others do. However, when it comes to the use of the N word, that lesson is thrown away. I guess some people just really want to find a reason to use it.

that is naive. I'm a white male in my 40s. When I was in my early 20s, all of my favorite songs and movies were littered with the N word. Talking about Snoop, Dre, NWA, Cube for music. Maybe some Ghetto Boys and Bushwhack Bill. And for movies - maybe Pulp Fiction, etc.

It was a huge part of my vocabulary only because I mimicked what I heard constantly.