Dark Chain of Events to Your Kid's Ivy League Rejection

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Anonymous wrote:People from ivy leagues are not like able?

And you fear that ivies will make your kids unlike able? An ivy would undo all the years of training and work your family did?

You sound foolish.

You really think a school makes people unlike able?

Perhaps you should check your insecurities and small minded generalizations.

When a school tells you time and time again that you are the best of the best, that you are cream of the crop, you start to get a big head. Just like when a parent tells their kid the same thing, the kid gets a big head and is not likable. I have seen that, yes.

What insecurities are you referring to?

Everything we say here is a generalization. People make generalizations all the time. It's how we have a frame of reference and make judgement calls. I'm sure you've done it once or twice in your life.

It is true that I/my classes were repeatedly told that we are the cream of the crop. But ITS TRU

It's TRUE! We ARE part of an elite group that not everyone can get into.

Which insecurities? The one that says you must negatively stereotype those in the Ivy League to make yourself feel better about not being apart of it.

Do Ivy grads not negatively stereotype poor, uneducated, black/hispanic or even smart Asians? We all stereotype. It comes from some experience, not just out of thin air. I'm sure there are some Ivy grads that are great people. It just seems the majority are a-holes. Hence, people's generalization.

I'm not insecure. I'm quite proud of the fact that I graduated from a no-name uni with little help and 0 debt and was able to make six figures in a few years.

No one who's proud of themselves projects feelings of superiority on another group.

No one who's proud of themselves has to put down a group of people--who, by the way, are advantaged over them in some way--in order to feel better about their no name uni.

Do ivy grads negatively stereotype the poor, uneducated, etc? You're truly showing how OUT OF TOUCH you are with the ivy experience with that one. That's so laughable I won't even touch it. Maybe someone else will come in and do me the favor.

One thing I CAN tell you about ivy leaguers is that our minds are trained to think critically, deeply and analytically. I cannot imagine one ivy league grad lumping and stereotyping an entire group for any reason. Even if they walked through the ivy gates with a limited worldview and prejudices, they would've been gone by the time they left. Such is the benefit of an ivy education.

It is VERY obvious from your posts that you graduated from a no name, subpar school. I've never seen such stupidity in my life.

And just stop it: We all know there are more ivy grads leaving school debt free and blazing trails throughout the world making much more money than those from 'no name unis'.

I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously.

You seem like a very sad, unhappy, insecure person.

And jealousy has to be debilitating and painful.

Didn't good ol' GWBush go to an Ivy? I wouldn't call him a deep critical thinker, or analytical either. You're right. We shouldn't lump people together. GWB can't be lumped into a group of intellectuals.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. Asian mom of a magnet Junior here.

This should burn me up because my kid has these same things stacked against him (limiting college quota, more competition in school etc., needing higher GPA and SAT scores than other racial groups) - But it does not.

For two reasons -

1) I do not buy into this whole Ivy hype that if you do not get into it, you are doomed. In fact - I have been a big supporter of public schools and I am a big supporter of state universities. Can my kid get a great STEM education in other colleges? A resounding yes! An example of a Blair HS SMACS kid who went to UMD and have gotten national recognition.
http://www.umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/umd-junior-selected-prestigious-truman-scholarship-0

2) My kids have been given good enough advantages in their lives that they can make something out of their lives.
They have had enough enrichment and the best of what public school education can offer. They have solid family support. All of their college (undergrad, masters, Phd, medical school, law school - whatever they choose) - will be financed by us. Which means that they solid advantage over many many students who will start their professional lives after college with crippling student debt.

And having said that I do believe that there is no way disadvantaged communities can come up until the playing field is evened. If it means something as small as my kid's Ivy League rejection - so be it.

And why would I want the underrepresented minorities to do well? Mainly because you want your kids to live in a stable and functional society. Income, education, achievement gaps also create imbalance and instability in the society. We all suffer when that happens - even Ivy League graduates.

I would marry you if I wasn't already taken.

I'm a straight female, so marriage is out, but I want to be PP's BFF. Awesome post. I am the white mom of white sons and I feel exactly the same about my own children and their futures, and about the success of URMs.

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It is the general attitude of the student body. I guess you took exception to the statement since you went there and now your DC is. I am sure I would be offended, too. You are probably likable to each other. If you are one of the few who don't have this superiority complex, then great. I actually know someone who went to Harvard for undergrad. He is great person. But he also complained people there were snobs, and he hated every minute of his experience there. He went onto a different grad school for his Law degree, not Ivy. He's much happier.

If most of your friends are also Ivy grads, then you probably can't tell whether you are all likable or not to the general public, and actually, you probably don't care. But as I said, if you are one of the few that is likable, then that's great.

As I said, everything we say is a generalization since no one has absolute knowledge or authority over any subject matter. But my general opinion of Ivy grads is that they are snobby, hence not likable IMO.

You should be embarrassed by this. Seriously, none of this makes sense. You can't proclaim on Ivy student body traits if you never attended an Ivy. Then, you combine your acquaintance with maybe 5-10 Ivy grads with your overweaning confidence that this limited familiarity entitles you to made broad over-generalizations, and so you go ahead and assume that I, my DC and my friends are all unlikable. Really? Guess what, your post with these silly over-generalizations make you seem extremely silly, and unlikable.

That poster sounds so simpleminded it would be funny if she wasn't an adult.

Her posts ooze with envy and insecurity. She has to make ivy leaguers unlikable in her mind in order to feel better about the fact she will never be one.

And with her flawed logic and inability to reason, one can easily see why.

This oozes snoby to me.

I'd rather be snobby, confident, arrogant, whatever...

Than insecure and envious of those who are able to attain that which I am not.

I'd rather ooze snobbiness than insecurity and jealousy. And please never let me be STUPID!

Yawn.

Are you finished now? You are boring us.

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Didn't good ol' GWBush go to an Ivy? I wouldn't call him a deep critical thinker, or analytical either. You're right. We shouldn't lump people together. GWB can't be lumped into a group of intellectuals.

Stop it now, for your own sake. Find something else to do before we all form an even worse opinion of the sad institution (if any) that educated you. I'm not a fan of GWB, but if you have any sort of education at all, you know that one person doesn't represent an entire institution.

So funny this 'graduate' from a no name school thinks she's in the position to criticize an IVY GRAD and former US President. HA! A guy who's doing so much better than she'll ever do as a working stiff who has to work her fingers to the bone to be able to brag about a 6 figure income . Her greatest life accomplishment is graduating from a cheap no name school with no debt. Whoooo I'm soooo impressed.

NOT!

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It is the general attitude of the student body. I guess you took exception to the statement since you went there and now your DC is. I am sure I would be offended, too. You are probably likable to each other. If you are one of the few who don't have this superiority complex, then great. I actually know someone who went to Harvard for undergrad. He is great person. But he also complained people there were snobs, and he hated every minute of his experience there. He went onto a different grad school for his Law degree, not Ivy. He's much happier.

If most of your friends are also Ivy grads, then you probably can't tell whether you are all likable or not to the general public, and actually, you probably don't care. But as I said, if you are one of the few that is likable, then that's great.

As I said, everything we say is a generalization since no one has absolute knowledge or authority over any subject matter. But my general opinion of Ivy grads is that they are snobby, hence not likable IMO.

You should be embarrassed by this. Seriously, none of this makes sense. You can't proclaim on Ivy student body traits if you never attended an Ivy. Then, you combine your acquaintance with maybe 5-10 Ivy grads with your overweaning confidence that this limited familiarity entitles you to made broad over-generalizations, and so you go ahead and assume that I, my DC and my friends are all unlikable. Really? Guess what, your post with these silly over-generalizations make you seem extremely silly, and unlikable.

That poster sounds so simpleminded it would be funny if she wasn't an adult.

Her posts ooze with envy and insecurity. She has to make ivy leaguers unlikable in her mind in order to feel better about the fact she will never be one.

And with her flawed logic and inability to reason, one can easily see why.

This oozes snoby to me.

I'd rather be snobby, confident, arrogant, whatever...

Than insecure and envious of those who are able to attain that which I am not.

I'd rather ooze snobbiness than insecurity and jealousy. And please never let me be STUPID!

Yawn.

Are you finished now? You are boring us.

Who engages a bore ?

You're beyond dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:They are mostly private schools and thankfully look to have diverse student bodies, even if Jews and Asians think they rightfully should dominate every selective institution of higher learning.

If school wish to do this they should as a trade-off be required to report acceptance statistics based on demographics.

I.E.

Cohorts= legacy, athletic recruit, white, black, hispanic, asian, foreign national, male, female.

attributes = gpa, class rank, sat's, sat 2's, ap/ib exam scores.

A simple crosstab chart should be published just so parents/students can accurately judge their chances and be realistic.

Simply put, if the black-box of admissions became transparent, I do not think society would be comfortable with it.

No. Private institutions should not be required to define as "attributes" only things like test scores that certain groups believe would inure to their advantage.

I didn't say that's ALL that private institutions had to use for admissions. However they should release the data after each cycle so we can see what the stats are.

I.E.

If I wanted to know what the acceptance rate AND admissions statistics for white, unhooked, females, from familes making 75-100k for regular decision at a given school - that should be made public.

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I'm not insecure. I'm quite proud of the fact that I graduated from a no-name uni with little help and 0 debt and was able to make six figures in a few years.

No one who's proud of themselves projects feelings of superiority on another group.

No one who's proud of themselves has to put down a group of people--who, by the way, are advantaged over them in some way--in order to feel better about their no name uni.

Do ivy grads negatively stereotype the poor, uneducated, etc? You're truly showing how OUT OF TOUCH you are with the ivy experience with that one. That's so laughable I won't even touch it. Maybe someone else will come in and do me the favor.

One thing I CAN tell you about ivy leaguers is that our minds are trained to think critically, deeply and analytically. I cannot imagine one ivy league grad lumping and stereotyping an entire group for any reason. Even if they walked through the ivy gates with a limited worldview and prejudices, they would've been gone by the time they left. Such is the benefit of an ivy education.

It is VERY obvious from your posts that you graduated from a no name, subpar school. I've never seen such stupidity in my life.

And just stop it: We all know there are more ivy grads leaving school debt free and blazing trails throughout the world making much more money than those from 'no name unis'.

I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously.

You seem like a very sad, unhappy, insecure person.

And jealousy has to be debilitating and painful.

NP here.

This is childish. However, I found some contradictions in your claim of not being prejudiced?

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I'm not insecure. I'm quite proud of the fact that I graduated from a no-name uni with little help and 0 debt and was able to make six figures in a few years.

No one who's proud of themselves projects feelings of superiority on another group.

No one who's proud of themselves has to put down a group of people--who, by the way, are advantaged over them in some way--in order to feel better about their no name uni.

Do ivy grads negatively stereotype the poor, uneducated, etc? You're truly showing how OUT OF TOUCH you are with the ivy experience with that one. That's so laughable I won't even touch it. Maybe someone else will come in and do me the favor.

One thing I CAN tell you about ivy leaguers is that our minds are trained to think critically, deeply and analytically. I cannot imagine one ivy league grad lumping and stereotyping an entire group for any reason. Even if they walked through the ivy gates with a limited worldview and prejudices, they would've been gone by the time they left. Such is the benefit of an ivy education.

It is VERY obvious from your posts that you graduated from a no name, subpar school. I've never seen such stupidity in my life.

And just stop it: We all know there are more ivy grads leaving school debt free and blazing trails throughout the world making much more money than those from 'no name unis'.

I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously.

You seem like a very sad, unhappy, insecure person.

And jealousy has to be debilitating and painful.

NP here.

This is childish. However, I found some contradictions in your claim of not being prejudiced?

Who cares?

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I'm not insecure. I'm quite proud of the fact that I graduated from a no-name uni with little help and 0 debt and was able to make six figures in a few years.

No one who's proud of themselves projects feelings of superiority on another group.

No one who's proud of themselves has to put down a group of people--who, by the way, are advantaged over them in some way--in order to feel better about their no name uni.

Do ivy grads negatively stereotype the poor, uneducated, etc? You're truly showing how OUT OF TOUCH you are with the ivy experience with that one. That's so laughable I won't even touch it. Maybe someone else will come in and do me the favor.

One thing I CAN tell you about ivy leaguers is that our minds are trained to think critically, deeply and analytically. I cannot imagine one ivy league grad lumping and stereotyping an entire group for any reason. Even if they walked through the ivy gates with a limited worldview and prejudices, they would've been gone by the time they left. Such is the benefit of an ivy education.

It is VERY obvious from your posts that you graduated from a no name, subpar school. I've never seen such stupidity in my life.

And just stop it: We all know there are more ivy grads leaving school debt free and blazing trails throughout the world making much more money than those from 'no name unis'.

I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously.

You seem like a very sad, unhappy, insecure person.

And jealousy has to be debilitating and painful.

NP here.

This is childish. However, I found some contradictions in your claim of not being prejudiced?

Do you know what PREjudice is?

It means to PREjudge.

Did you see an overall judgement based on insecurity or a judgment based on ones stupidity?

You must've gone to a no name uni too.

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No. Private institutions should not be required to define as "attributes" only things like test scores that certain groups believe would inure to their advantage.

This. It's wrong to think that colleges should only value SATs and GPAs, for several reasons.

First, at the most selective universities, almost everyone has high SATs and GPAs. Across all races and ethnic groups, test scores are high. Most top universities could fill their incoming classes 5X or 10X with kids who scored over 2200 on the SAT. So, in a pool of thousands of applicants with SATs of 2200+, you need additional, non-scholatistic achievements outside of school just to stand out from the other applicants.

Second, colleges want future leaders and creators, and these things aren't measured by high ACTS and/or SATs. Basically, colleges want to be able to claim famous grads as their own, which leads to a better applicant pool, and the virtuous circle continues. So colleges will take promising artists and musicians and politically-active kids who show initiative and dedication ("passion"!) to something besides grinding it out at a desk for four years.

Of course, Asians can definitely play this game -- the "passion" game -- too. What's wrong is to think that *only* SATs and GPAs should count, either as a practical matter or for serving the colleges' own interests.

So you're implying that Asians only have a passion for test taking and studying? You should probably take a look at Cali's UC system. They've had no race based affirmative action or legacy for almost two decades now, but they can take into account anything else about a student including extracurriculars, economic background, and any number of soft factors that you seem to think that Asians systematically lack. Many UCs are over a quarter to a third Asian and some are even majority Asian. I highly doubt that the profile of Asian students that apply to the best UC's are all that different from the Asian students that apply to the Ivies and quasi-Ivies. Please stop spewing your racist garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

Wow, talk about making statements based on nothing. That's just not true. I am an ivy grad (though for graduate school, which is a different population than the undergrad crowd), married to an Ivy grad (for undergrad and grad school). You could not meet a more likable person than my DH. Really, everyone likes him, it's ridiculous. And his friends from his Ivy are some of the best, most fun, generous, altruistic, nice, funny people I know. And I grew up with ALL kinds -- most certainly not Ivy.
Are the ivies admitting based on likability? Not really. But lots of very smart people are also very intelligent socially. It's not an either/or. You must have a very limited data set to draw your false conclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

Geez, these are your "friends" who went to Ivies who you say are unlikable? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they just aren't very friendly to you because you're not very likable?

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I'm not insecure. I'm quite proud of the fact that I graduated from a no-name uni with little help and 0 debt and was able to make six figures in a few years.

No one who's proud of themselves projects feelings of superiority on another group.

No one who's proud of themselves has to put down a group of people--who, by the way, are advantaged over them in some way--in order to feel better about their no name uni.

Do ivy grads negatively stereotype the poor, uneducated, etc? You're truly showing how OUT OF TOUCH you are with the ivy experience with that one. That's so laughable I won't even touch it. Maybe someone else will come in and do me the favor.

One thing I CAN tell you about ivy leaguers is that our minds are trained to think critically, deeply and analytically. I cannot imagine one ivy league grad lumping and stereotyping an entire group for any reason. Even if they walked through the ivy gates with a limited worldview and prejudices, they would've been gone by the time they left. Such is the benefit of an ivy education.

It is VERY obvious from your posts that you graduated from a no name, subpar school. I've never seen such stupidity in my life.

And just stop it: We all know there are more ivy grads leaving school debt free and blazing trails throughout the world making much more money than those from 'no name unis'.

I really feel sorry for you.

Seriously.

You seem like a very sad, unhappy, insecure person.

And jealousy has to be debilitating and painful.

NP here.

This is childish. However, I found some contradictions in your claim of not being prejudiced?

Do you know what PREjudice is?

It means to PREjudge.

Did you see an overall judgement based on insecurity or a judgment based on ones stupidity?

You must've gone to a no name uni too.

Dear HS Senior (who has got admission to an Ivy League college),
Congratulations for getting in. Now please grow up. Go put some acne cream on your pimples...prom is around the corner. Ok?
Buh-bye!

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Anonymous wrote:People from ivy leagues are not like able?

And you fear that ivies will make your kids unlike able? An ivy would undo all the years of training and work your family did?

You sound foolish.

You really think a school makes people unlike able?

Perhaps you should check your insecurities and small minded generalizations.

When a school tells you time and time again that you are the best of the best, that you are cream of the crop, you start to get a big head. Just like when a parent tells their kid the same thing, the kid gets a big head and is not likable. I have seen that, yes.

What insecurities are you referring to?

Everything we say here is a generalization. People make generalizations all the time. It's how we have a frame of reference and make judgement calls. I'm sure you've done it once or twice in your life.

It is true that I/my classes were repeatedly told that we are the cream of the crop. But ITS TRU

It's TRUE! We ARE part of an elite group that not everyone can get into.

Which insecurities? The one that says you must negatively stereotype those in the Ivy League to make yourself feel better about not being apart of it.

Do Ivy grads not negatively stereotype poor, uneducated, black/hispanic or even smart Asians? We all stereotype. It comes from some experience, not just out of thin air. I'm sure there are some Ivy grads that are great people. It just seems the majority are a-holes. Hence, people's generalization.

I'm not insecure. I'm quite proud of the fact that I graduated from a no-name uni with little help and 0 debt and was able to make six figures in a few years.

So, this part: "Do Ivy grads not negatively stereotype poor, uneducated, black/hispanic or even smart Asians? We all stereotype. It comes from some experience, not just out of thin air. I'm sure there are some Ivy grads that are great people. It just seems the majority are a-holes. Hence, people's generalization."

The answer is no. Ivy grads do not negatively stereotype those groups. At least not any more -- or I would say even as much as -- most other groups do. You'd be surprised, some Ivy grads even ARE from poor, uneducated backgrounds, and some even ARE Black, Hispanic, or Asian. I'd bet that the Ivy grad crowd does less of that sort of stereotyping than nearly any other group you could come up with.

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I have a friend who is very kind and a great person and they went to Harvard. I also have an ex who went to Penn and he is about the biggest jerk you will meet. Both Ivy grads but these two people are complete opposites. I can't even imagine them in the same room together. I assume that there are all kinds of different people who go to Ivys.