Dark Chain of Events to Your Kid's Ivy League Rejection

[Anonymous]

We had a draft from 1940 to 1970. It only started to split the country apart over the Vietnam War. However, I do think the fact that so many served in those years did three things: 1) it created common bonds across class and racial lines: 2) shared the sacrifice across families; and 3) made it more difficult for our leaders to engage in dangerous and reckless military adventures overseas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mandatory military service for all - like we used to have - would change that. Think of the "Greatest Generation." The men and women who fought the Second World War and defeated fascism and then brought the U.S. to the heights of greatness all served. The Ivy Leager stood in the same ranks as the kid from the working class. He learned he was no better or no worse. He was equally capable of taking a bullet for his country as was the working class kid. It should be the same today.

Do you maggots understand that?

Heh heh. Although the Greatest Generation also invented the word "Ivy League" (in 1954, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League) College life in the 1950s conjures up images, to me at least, of Boston Brahmins lounging around in tennis whites and thinking about how to exclude everyone else. Colleges, Ivy League and otherwise, were pretty class-ridden in those days.

Signed, Ivy Leaguer with kid in an Ivy now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mandatory military service for all - like we used to have - would change that. Think of the "Greatest Generation." The men and women who fought the Second World War and defeated fascism and then brought the U.S. to the heights of greatness all served. The Ivy Leager stood in the same ranks as the kid from the working class. He learned he was no better or no worse. He was equally capable of taking a bullet for his country as was the working class kid. It should be the same today.

Do you maggots understand that?

Heh heh. Although the Greatest Generation also invented the word "Ivy League" (in 1954, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League) College life in the 1950s conjures up images, to me at least, of Boston Brahmins lounging around in tennis whites and thinking about how to exclude everyone else. Colleges, Ivy League and otherwise, were pretty class-ridden in those days.

Signed, Ivy Leaguer with kid in an Ivy now

PS, should add that a LOT has changed since then. Much more diversity, of people and views.

[Anonymous]

Here's a link to a story I heard on NPR a couple of days ago. The researchers sent 6500 "impeccably written" letters to over 6000 professors at 250 top universities claiming to be students requesting mentoring. The letters were identical but the student names were different. What they found was that white male students had the most success getting a response. The women and minorities had the least success. The group with the lowest success rate: Asian students.

Here's a quote from the story transcript:
"I spoke to Katherine Milkman at The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. She conducted the study with Modupe Akinola and Dolly Chugh. And Milkman told me she was especially struck by the experience of Asian students. Here she is.

KATHERINE MILKMAN: We see tremendous bias against Asian students and that's not something we expected. So a lot of people think of Asians as a model minority group. We expect them to be treated quite well in academia, and at least in the study and in this context we see more discrimination against Indian and Chinese students that against other groups"

As the parent of a hard-working and high-performing Asian (female) student, I find this very discouraging.

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/22/305814367/evidence-of-racial-gender-biases-found-in-faculty-mentoring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a link to a story I heard on NPR a couple of days ago. The researchers sent 6500 "impeccably written" letters to over 6000 professors at 250 top universities claiming to be students requesting mentoring. The letters were identical but the student names were different. What they found was that white male students had the most success getting a response. The women and minorities had the least success. The group with the lowest success rate: Asian students.

Here's a quote from the story transcript:
"I spoke to Katherine Milkman at The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. She conducted the study with Modupe Akinola and Dolly Chugh. And Milkman told me she was especially struck by the experience of Asian students. Here she is.

KATHERINE MILKMAN: We see tremendous bias against Asian students and that's not something we expected. So a lot of people think of Asians as a model minority group. We expect them to be treated quite well in academia, and at least in the study and in this context we see more discrimination against Indian and Chinese students that against other groups"

As the parent of a hard-working and high-performing Asian (female) student, I find this very discouraging.

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/22/305814367/evidence-of-racial-gender-biases-found-in-faculty-mentoring

Boo hoo hoo hoo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's a link to a story I heard on NPR a couple of days ago. The researchers sent 6500 "impeccably written" letters to over 6000 professors at 250 top universities claiming to be students requesting mentoring. The letters were identical but the student names were different. What they found was that white male students had the most success getting a response. The women and minorities had the least success. The group with the lowest success rate: Asian students.

Here's a quote from the story transcript:
"I spoke to Katherine Milkman at The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. She conducted the study with Modupe Akinola and Dolly Chugh. And Milkman told me she was especially struck by the experience of Asian students. Here she is.

KATHERINE MILKMAN: We see tremendous bias against Asian students and that's not something we expected. So a lot of people think of Asians as a model minority group. We expect them to be treated quite well in academia, and at least in the study and in this context we see more discrimination against Indian and Chinese students that against other groups"

As the parent of a hard-working and high-performing Asian (female) student, I find this very discouraging.

http://www.npr.org/2014/04/22/305814367/evidence-of-racial-gender-biases-found-in-faculty-mentoring

Small setbacks on the path to global domination. Cry me a river.

[Anonymous]

“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”


? John G. Roberts Jr.

You can't begin to heal until you stop the bleeding.

[Anonymous]

I'm hearing that Asian admissions (mainly for abroad) are likely to be dramatically lower in the wake of the cheating scandals of last summer. Here is one report:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/sat-cheating-scandal/

There were similar reports out of China and schools are finding massive organized cheating in all aspects of college admission: standardized test, transcripts, recommendations. and "personal" essays. Schools have been looking the other way to keep the inflow of "full pay" students, but the large number of students who continue to cheat in college and make no effort to participate in class discussion is drawing complaints from other students. My sister's DC experienced this at UCLA and I've heard similar stories from children at Cal, USC and Stanford - all of which have a high % of students from Asia. It's hard to kick the habit of bringing in these "full pay" students of questionable merits, but schools will be scrutinizing applicants from Asia much more going forward.

[Anonymous]

Other links discussing Asian cheating:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/fraud-fears-rocket-as-chinese-seek-a-place-at-any-price/2004704.article


http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/thailand/120103/US-college-application-fraud-asia-elite-economy-china

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/09/world/asia/south-korea-exam-scandal/


http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/fraud-fears-rocket-as-chinese-seek-a-place-at-any-price/2004704.article

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonma/2012/02/13/how-to-stop-chinese-kids-from-cheating-on-college-apps/

90% of recommendation letters are fake
70% of essays are not written by the applicant
50% of high school transcripts are falsified.

Chinese applicants typically cheat in five major categories: recommendation letters, essays, high school transcripts, financial aid applications, and awards

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm hearing that Asian admissions (mainly for abroad) are likely to be dramatically lower in the wake of the cheating scandals of last summer. Here is one report:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/sat-cheating-scandal/

There were similar reports out of China and schools are finding massive organized cheating in all aspects of college admission: standardized test, transcripts, recommendations. and "personal" essays. Schools have been looking the other way to keep the inflow of "full pay" students, but the large number of students who continue to cheat in college and make no effort to participate in class discussion is drawing complaints from other students. My sister's DC experienced this at UCLA and I've heard similar stories from children at Cal, USC and Stanford - all of which have a high % of students from Asia. It's hard to kick the habit of bringing in these "full pay" students of questionable merits, but schools will be scrutinizing applicants from Asia much more going forward.

In addition, there are the press reports this week that Chinese intelligence services are using "students" to build up spying networks in American universities.

[Anonymous]

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Didn't good ol' GWBush go to an Ivy? I wouldn't call him a deep critical thinker, or analytical either. You're right. We shouldn't lump people together. GWB can't be lumped into a group of intellectuals.

Stop it now, for your own sake. Find something else to do before we all form an even worse opinion of the sad institution (if any) that educated you. I'm not a fan of GWB, but if you have any sort of education at all, you know that one person doesn't represent an entire institution.

So funny this 'graduate' from a no name school thinks she's in the position to criticize an IVY GRAD and former US President. HA! A guy who's doing so much better than she'll ever do as a working stiff who has to work her fingers to the bone to be able to brag about a 6 figure income . Her greatest life accomplishment is graduating from a cheap no name school with no debt. Whoooo I'm soooo impressed.

NOT!

Maybe Gee Dubya Bush after all should have gone to art school instead!

[Anonymous]

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Didn't good ol' GWBush go to an Ivy? I wouldn't call him a deep critical thinker, or analytical either. You're right. We shouldn't lump people together. GWB can't be lumped into a group of intellectuals.

Stop it now, for your own sake. Find something else to do before we all form an even worse opinion of the sad institution (if any) that educated you. I'm not a fan of GWB, but if you have any sort of education at all, you know that one person doesn't represent an entire institution.

So funny this 'graduate' from a no name school thinks she's in the position to criticize an IVY GRAD and former US President. HA! A guy who's doing so much better than she'll ever do as a working stiff who has to work her fingers to the bone to be able to brag about a 6 figure income . Her greatest life accomplishment is graduating from a cheap no name school with no debt. Whoooo I'm soooo impressed.

NOT!

Maybe Gee Dubya Bush after all should have gone to art school instead!

No fan of W, but, let's be honest, Obama isn't the brightest bulb on the Ivy either. At least we've seen W's grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:


Didn't good ol' GWBush go to an Ivy? I wouldn't call him a deep critical thinker, or analytical either. You're right. We shouldn't lump people together. GWB can't be lumped into a group of intellectuals.

Stop it now, for your own sake. Find something else to do before we all form an even worse opinion of the sad institution (if any) that educated you. I'm not a fan of GWB, but if you have any sort of education at all, you know that one person doesn't represent an entire institution.

So funny this 'graduate' from a no name school thinks she's in the position to criticize an IVY GRAD and former US President. HA! A guy who's doing so much better than she'll ever do as a working stiff who has to work her fingers to the bone to be able to brag about a 6 figure income . Her greatest life accomplishment is graduating from a cheap no name school with no debt. Whoooo I'm soooo impressed.

NOT!

Maybe Gee Dubya Bush after all should have gone to art school instead!

The future spies are the ones who can actually communicate and assimilate. The sons and daughters of the elite are there to get a degree with no desire to assimilate.

[Anonymous]

Hello, moderator? Hello? Might be time to put an end to this one, or move it to a Heritage Foundation website.

[Anonymous]

The Asian cheating uncovered in recent years is almost entirely related to foreign born students, not American born Asian students.