Dark Chain of Events to Your Kid's Ivy League Rejection

[Anonymous]

Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

[Anonymous]

There was a press report in the last couple of days about how Chinese (PRC) intelligence has been setting up spy networks on major university campuses. Maybe that will give elite US colleges and universities some pause before they keep increasing the number of foreign Chinese admits, instead of admitting US students (of Asian, white, black, Latino or whatever race/ethnicity!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No. Private institutions should not be required to define as "attributes" only things like test scores that certain groups believe would inure to their advantage.

This. It's wrong to think that colleges should only value SATs and GPAs, for several reasons.

First, at the most selective universities, almost everyone has high SATs and GPAs. Across all races and ethnic groups, test scores are high. Most top universities could fill their incoming classes 5X or 10X with kids who scored over 2200 on the SAT. So, in a pool of thousands of applicants with SATs of 2200+, you need additional, non-scholatistic achievements outside of school just to stand out from the other applicants.

Second, colleges want future leaders and creators, and these things aren't measured by high ACTS and/or SATs. Basically, colleges want to be able to claim famous grads as their own, which leads to a better applicant pool, and the virtuous circle continues. So colleges will take promising artists and musicians and politically-active kids who show initiative and dedication ("passion"!) to something besides grinding it out at a desk for four years.

Of course, Asians can definitely play this game -- the "passion" game -- too. What's wrong is to think that *only* SATs and GPAs should count, either as a practical matter or for serving the colleges' own interests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

It wasn't until this site that I realized how prevalent ivy envy is in this area.

A school makes you unlike able? Yet those people were able to find spouses who find them to be true keepers.

Simply accept that you didn't have what it takes to make it in the big leagues instead of disparaging those who did.

The jealousy and insecurity are obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

Sorry your friends and family suck! Too bad you yourself can't rise above making simplistic generalizations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People from ivy leagues are not like able?

And you fear that ivies will make your kids unlike able? An ivy would undo all the years of training and work your family did?

You sound foolish.

You really think a school makes people unlike able?

Perhaps you should check your insecurities and small minded generalizations.

When a school tells you time and time again that you are the best of the best, that you are cream of the crop, you start to get a big head. Just like when a parent tells their kid the same thing, the kid gets a big head and is not likable. I have seen that, yes.

What insecurities are you referring to?

Everything we say here is a generalization. People make generalizations all the time. It's how we have a frame of reference and make judgement calls. I'm sure you've done it once or twice in your life.

It is true that I/my classes were repeatedly told that we are the cream of the crop. But ITS TRU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

Wherever you went to college, they clearly didn't teach you that "anecdata" is useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a school tells you time and time again that you are the best of the best, that you are cream of the crop, you start to get a big head. Just like when a parent tells their kid the same thing, the kid gets a big head and is not likable. I have seen that, yes.

What insecurities are you referring to?

Everything we say here is a generalization. People make generalizations all the time. It's how we have a frame of reference and make judgement calls. I'm sure you've done it once or twice in your life.

Seriously? Ivies don't "tell you time and time again that you are the best of the best." Do you really think the deans get up there in front of incoming freshman and make speeches like that, with recaps once a year for the next three years? No, the speeches from Ivy administrations and profs to students are all about your responsibilities to take advantage of the educational opportunities and hopefully use them for the societal good. That was my experience and is now DC's experience.

Perhaps you are referring to kids' own perceptions that getting in means they are the cream, instead of the truth which is that they basically won a lottery. In that case, it's failed parenting.

It is the general attitude of the student body. I guess you took exception to the statement since you went there and now your DC is. I am sure I would be offended, too. You are probably likable to each other. If you are one of the few who don't have this superiority complex, then great. I actually know someone who went to Harvard for undergrad. He is great person. But he also complained people there were snobs, and he hated every minute of his experience there. He went onto a different grad school for his Law degree, not Ivy. He's much happier.

If most of your friends are also Ivy grads, then you probably can't tell whether you are all likable or not to the general public, and actually, you probably don't care. But as I said, if you are one of the few that is likable, then that's great.

As I said, everything we say is a generalization since no one has absolute knowledge or authority over any subject matter. But my general opinion of Ivy grads is that they are snobby, hence not likable IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People from ivy leagues are not like able?

And you fear that ivies will make your kids unlike able? An ivy would undo all the years of training and work your family did?

You sound foolish.

You really think a school makes people unlike able?

Perhaps you should check your insecurities and small minded generalizations.

When a school tells you time and time again that you are the best of the best, that you are cream of the crop, you start to get a big head. Just like when a parent tells their kid the same thing, the kid gets a big head and is not likable. I have seen that, yes.

What insecurities are you referring to?

Everything we say here is a generalization. People make generalizations all the time. It's how we have a frame of reference and make judgement calls. I'm sure you've done it once or twice in your life.

It is true that I/my classes were repeatedly told that we are the cream of the crop. But ITS TRU

It's TRUE! We ARE part of an elite group that not everyone can get into.

Which insecurities? The one that says you must negatively stereotype those in the Ivy League to make yourself feel better about not being apart of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are mostly private schools and thankfully look to have diverse student bodies, even if Jews and Asians think they rightfully should dominate every selective institution of higher learning.

Oh right. Affirmative Action is wrong and unfair when it allows more blacks to displace whites, but it is only just and right when it allows whites to displace Asians and Jews. Got it.

Entrance to colleges should be merit based. You want to know why the US is no longer the dominant market for the sciences and engineering? Because we're letting less qualified and entitled whites who have a weaker work ethic into our colleges. We're graduating a group kids who feel entitled to high salaries and cushy jobs who don't have the work ethic to excel in their jobs. We're making the US workforce more and more mediocre and other first world nations are creating harder working college grads who excel rather than become complacent in their jobs. The same reason why the college drop-out rate is continuing to rise, because we're letting kids who feel entitled to college get in instead of allowing kids who will work hard to get in.

Make kids work to get into college, make them understand that they aren't entitled to a college education just because they're white upper class kids and maybe they'll actually appreciate getting into college, will work harder and will actually help strengthen the US work force instead of continuing to water down the work force of college grads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

It wasn't until this site that I realized how prevalent ivy envy is in this area.

A school makes you unlike able? Yet those people were able to find spouses who find them to be true keepers.

Simply accept that you didn't have what it takes to make it in the big leagues instead of disparaging those who did.

The jealousy and insecurity are obvious.

Oh dear. It's becomeIvy vs. non-Ivy like SAHM vs WOHM.

I'm pretty sure the divorce rate amongst ivy leaguers is pretty much the same as the general public. I don't think they have "true keepers" anymore than non-ivy leaguers do.

Do you REALLY think that everyone is jealous of those that went to Ivies? Um..no. You made a generalization, just like the rest of us did. It's not the school itself that makes the person unlikable, it's the general attitude that if you were educated anywhere else than an Ivy, your education was sub-par, or the attitude of "I'm superior to you". That makes you snobby. Honestly, that is the way most Ivy grads think, even if it is subconsciously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
It is the general attitude of the student body. I guess you took exception to the statement since you went there and now your DC is. I am sure I would be offended, too. You are probably likable to each other. If you are one of the few who don't have this superiority complex, then great. I actually know someone who went to Harvard for undergrad. He is great person. But he also complained people there were snobs, and he hated every minute of his experience there. He went onto a different grad school for his Law degree, not Ivy. He's much happier.

If most of your friends are also Ivy grads, then you probably can't tell whether you are all likable or not to the general public, and actually, you probably don't care. But as I said, if you are one of the few that is likable, then that's great.

As I said, everything we say is a generalization since no one has absolute knowledge or authority over any subject matter. But my general opinion of Ivy grads is that they are snobby, hence not likable IMO.

You should be embarrassed by this. Seriously, none of this makes sense. You can't proclaim on Ivy student body traits if you never attended an Ivy. Then, you combine your acquaintance with maybe 5-10 Ivy grads with your overweaning confidence that this limited familiarity entitles you to made broad over-generalizations, and so you go ahead and assume that I, my DC and my friends are all unlikable. Really? Guess what, your post with these silly over-generalizations make you seem extremely silly, and unlikable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

When a school tells you time and time again that you are the best of the best, that you are cream of the crop, you start to get a big head. Just like when a parent tells their kid the same thing, the kid gets a big head and is not likable. I have seen that, yes.

What insecurities are you referring to?

Everything we say here is a generalization. People make generalizations all the time. It's how we have a frame of reference and make judgement calls. I'm sure you've done it once or twice in your life.

Seriously? Ivies don't "tell you time and time again that you are the best of the best." Do you really think the deans get up there in front of incoming freshman and make speeches like that, with recaps once a year for the next three years? No, the speeches from Ivy administrations and profs to students are all about your responsibilities to take advantage of the educational opportunities and hopefully use them for the societal good. That was my experience and is now DC's experience.

Perhaps you are referring to kids' own perceptions that getting in means they are the cream, instead of the truth which is that they basically won a lottery. In that case, it's failed parenting.

It is the general attitude of the student body. I guess you took exception to the statement since you went there and now your DC is. I am sure I would be offended, too. You are probably likable to each other. If you are one of the few who don't have this superiority complex, then great. I actually know someone who went to Harvard for undergrad. He is great person. But he also complained people there were snobs, and he hated every minute of his experience there. He went onto a different grad school for his Law degree, not Ivy. He's much happier.

If most of your friends are also Ivy grads, then you probably can't tell whether you are all likable or not to the general public, and actually, you probably don't care. But as I said, if you are one of the few that is likable, then that's great.

As I said, everything we say is a generalization since no one has absolute knowledge or authority over any subject matter. But my general opinion of Ivy grads is that they are snobby, hence not likable IMO.

So you're just going to insist on sounding like an idiot huh?

It's the general attitude of the student body? Yet, you've never been part of an ivy league student body?

They're all snobby with superiority complexes. Except your one friend?

Sorry, but everyone does NOT make generalizations. Only idiots with limited life experience and intellect do that.

Instead of projecting what you THINK ivy leaguers MIGHT think, deal with your own insecurity and the fact that you feel inferior next to one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. People that graduate from an ivy are not likable. Hopefully it will change in the future but currently the graduates have a very low EQ. I do think they are trying to change this, but 30+year olds.. Not likable.

I have multiple friends/family who graduated a ivy. Thank god for their spouses ... I am not sure anybody would tolerate them alone.

It wasn't until this site that I realized how prevalent ivy envy is in this area.

A school makes you unlike able? Yet those people were able to find spouses who find them to be true keepers.

Simply accept that you didn't have what it takes to make it in the big leagues instead of disparaging those who did.

The jealousy and insecurity are obvious.

Oh dear. It's becomeIvy vs. non-Ivy like SAHM vs WOHM.

I'm pretty sure the divorce rate amongst ivy leaguers is pretty much the same as the general public. I don't think they have "true keepers" anymore than non-ivy leaguers do.

Do you REALLY think that everyone is jealous of those that went to Ivies? Um..no. You made a generalization, just like the rest of us did. It's not the school itself that makes the person unlikable, it's the general attitude that if you were educated anywhere else than an Ivy, your education was sub-par, or the attitude of "I'm superior to you". That makes you snobby. Honestly, that is the way most Ivy grads think, even if it is subconsciously.

It's the stupidity of some of the Ivy bashing that makes people think it's motivated by jealousy. For example, it's just dumb to say that all Ivy grads are snobby.

At some sub-conscious level you know that you're posting stupid BS. But, some emotion makes you keep doing it. When we see a cognitive disconnect like this, then the cause is likely to be some emotion -- like jealousy.

That, or give us a better reason why your claims seem so stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh dear. It's becomeIvy vs. non-Ivy like SAHM vs WOHM.

I'm pretty sure the divorce rate amongst ivy leaguers is pretty much the same as the general public. I don't think they have "true keepers" anymore than non-ivy leaguers do.

Do you REALLY think that everyone is jealous of those that went to Ivies? Um..no. You made a generalization, just like the rest of us did. It's not the school itself that makes the person unlikable, it's the general attitude that if you were educated anywhere else than an Ivy, your education was sub-par, or the attitude of "I'm superior to you". That makes you snobby. Honestly, that is the way most Ivy grads think, even if it is subconsciously.

It's the stupidity of some of the Ivy bashing that makes people think it's motivated by jealousy. For example, it's just dumb to say that all Ivy grads are snobby.

At some sub-conscious level you know that you're posting stupid BS. But, some emotion makes you keep doing it. When we see a cognitive disconnect like this, then the cause is likely to be some emotion -- like jealousy.

That, or give us a better reason why your claims seem so stupid.