Boycott Virginia - new abortion law, new personhood law..... War on woman

[Anonymous]

Virginia can't outlaw abortions because of Roe v Wade. What is the point of this bill? Has the governor made any mention of signing it?

A state will eventually pass it, but one would think the Supreme Court would reject it because of the Roe v Wade and Griswold v Connecticut rulings.

Am I missing something here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we get over the histrionics? Rape has nothing to do with putting anything in your vagina. Please know more about what rape is before Tossing it about.

Actually, forcible (or coercive) penetration with an object counts. Was the histrionic pun intended or was that just an accidental exposure of your misogyny?

As someone who has been forcibly raped, I can say that you have a CHOICE not to undergo these procedures in VA. I didn't have a choice to do anything when a stranger raped me at 17. Please stop comparing the two. You have no idea what you are talking about, and it is denigrating to women who have been held down against their will and violated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia can't outlaw abortions because of Roe v Wade. What is the point of this bill? Has the governor made any mention of signing it?

A state will eventually pass it, but one would think the Supreme Court would reject it because of the Roe v Wade and Griswold v Connecticut rulings.

Am I missing something here?

Yes. It's unconstitutional. I don't know why people are wasting so much time discussing it and getting heated about it.

[Anonymous]

republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control.

But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure.

I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

[Anonymous]

608 again, as long as this is the face of "experts" when it comes to vaginas, all women are in deep trouble.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/16/religious-leaders-obama-violates-basic-rights-by-requiring-contraceptive/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so an ultrasound is more invasive than sucking your baby's head out and then chopping it up? lol. why not help the consent process by showing the moms the life they are about to take? show the heartbeat ...

You have clearly been drinking. 88% of abortions take place at 12 weeks or before. Did you know that there is more than one kind of abortion? Did you know that dilation and extraction - or as the American Taliban have renamed it, partial birth abortion - is used only in late term pregnancy? Do you know that late term abortion isn't used for shits and giggles by loony pregnant womenthat many women who have to have late term abortions very much want to carry the pregnancy but their fetus is "incompatible with life"? You anti choicers hide behind your ignorance. It isn't provocative and it isn't cute.[/quote]


A 12 week fetus (life) still has a head and a brain. Both destroyed by whatever method is used to terminate.

And I adore how you attempt to generalize about the ignorance of every pro-lifer and about the intentions of every woman who has a late term abortion. It's just sooooooo cutteeeeeee. And ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control. But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure. I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

Go ahead, open the bottle of wine. Cause you need to relax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control.

But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure.

I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

If this is your argument, you need to reframe it. If abortion is to be treated as simply a GYN surgical procedure, and you do not see it as ending a life, you need to realize that GYN surguries almost always require an ultrasound of the very same nature. This is what helps a surgeon to plan incisions, etc. and helps reduce their liability. When you want to deviate from the norm, it would appear there is something about the visual of a "mass of cells" that you find troubling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control. But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure. I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

Go ahead, open the bottle of wine. Cause you need to relax.

How condescending. Are you a white republican male by any chance? Cuz that sounds like something you would say as you pat my on the ass and dismiss my opinion.

You just wait and see how many women "relax" about this on election day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control.

But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure.

I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

If this is your argument, you need to reframe it. If abortion is to be treated as simply a GYN surgical procedure, and you do not see it as ending a life, you need to realize that GYN surguries almost always require an ultrasound of the very same nature. This is what helps a surgeon to plan incisions, etc. and helps reduce their liability. When you want to deviate from the norm, it would appear there is something about the visual of a "mass of cells" that you find troubling.

Bullshit. If a woman and/or her doctor need an ultrasound, that is their option. The government does not get to intervene in the process.

And I DO see it as ending a life. I have had an unwanted pregnancy and did NOT opt for abortion. But that's MY choice. The VA state assembly has no right, no right, to legislate a wanding of anybody's vagina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Virginia can't outlaw abortions because of Roe v Wade. What is the point of this bill? Has the governor made any mention of signing it?

A state will eventually pass it, but one would think the Supreme Court would reject it because of the Roe v Wade and Griswold v Connecticut rulings.

Am I missing something here?


Yes. It's unconstitutional. I don't know why people are wasting so much time discussing it and getting heated about it.

Oh are you on the supreme court? One never knows how the supreme court will rule.

[Anonymous]

Why is the main argument here centering around abortion? That's just one facet of it. Millions of women in VA get pregnant every year. What percentage of them will want to terminate? I don't know precisely but it's got to be a fraction. What percentage will be affected by these laws? 100%. Can anyone here besides me see the implications for this beyond abortion?

Even if you are 100% against any and all forms of abortion, by creating fetal personhood the state is, by default, pinning fetal rights against mother's rights. Ugh...I'm being very articulate here and I have to go to work, but my larger point is that fetal personhood is so much bigger than the abortion debate. It's Pandor's Box personified...pun intended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Virginia can't outlaw abortions because of Roe v Wade. What is the point of this bill? Has the governor made any mention of signing it?

A state will eventually pass it, but one would think the Supreme Court would reject it because of the Roe v Wade and Griswold v Connecticut rulings.

Am I missing something here?


Yes. It's unconstitutional. I don't know why people are wasting so much time discussing it and getting heated about it.

Oh are you on the supreme court? One never knows how the supreme court will rule.

Mmmm, actually it isn't entirely impossible to predict. Do you know anything about the judicial branch darling?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control.

But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure.

I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

If this is your argument, you need to reframe it. If abortion is to be treated as simply a GYN surgical procedure, and you do not see it as ending a life, you need to realize that GYN surguries almost always require an ultrasound of the very same nature. This is what helps a surgeon to plan incisions, etc. and helps reduce their liability. When you want to deviate from the norm, it would appear there is something about the visual of a "mass of cells" that you find troubling.

Bullshit. If a woman and/or her doctor need an ultrasound, that is their option. The government does not get to intervene in the process.

And I DO see it as ending a life. I have had an unwanted pregnancy and did NOT opt for abortion. But that's MY choice. The VA state assembly has no right, no right, to legislate a wanding of anybody's vagina.

Not BS. In any other surgical procedure, there are standards that must be followed. Interesting that in this ONE circumstance, thorough care on a woman's health issue gets you so upset and you say the only standard that should exist is what the woman wants. Sounds like something other than standard medical care to any person who actually thinks it through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:republicans are screaming about the constitution and violation of rights because of the Obama rule that healthcare plans and healthcare institutions have to offer the OPTION of birth control.

But Republican government wants to pass a law that I must - MUST - undergo a vaginal probe before engaging in a legal procedure.

I am having difficulty finding a single word that expresses the depth of my outrage and anger over these mostly male government bureaucrats interfering with my uterus.

If this is your argument, you need to reframe it. If abortion is to be treated as simply a GYN surgical procedure, and you do not see it as ending a life, you need to realize that GYN surguries almost always require an ultrasound of the very same nature. This is what helps a surgeon to plan incisions, etc. and helps reduce their liability. When you want to deviate from the norm, it would appear there is something about the visual of a "mass of cells" that you find troubling.

Bullshit. If a woman and/or her doctor need an ultrasound, that is their option. The government does not get to intervene in the process.

And I DO see it as ending a life. I have had an unwanted pregnancy and did NOT opt for abortion. But that's MY choice. The VA state assembly has no right, no right, to legislate a wanding of anybody's vagina.

Not BS. In any other surgical procedure, there are standards that must be followed. Interesting that in this ONE circumstance, thorough care on a woman's health issue gets you so upset and you say the only standard that should exist is what the woman wants. Sounds like something other than standard medical care to any person who actually thinks it through.

Please give an example of another surgical procedure where a state assembly has passed a law that a patient MUST undergo some process as a part of the procedure.


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