Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP you are pretty nasty.

Those parents can mourn whichever way they want and considering their strong religious views, any moron can figure out that they consider this the death of their baby and not a simple miscarriage.

Like another poster said, NOBODY would have noticed the obit "Negative Nancy" had not posted it.

You have clearly never had a miscarriage. There is no such thing as a simple miscarriage. Anybody who has felt the thrill of getting two lines on a pregnancy test and started imagining what the future would be like feels the loss of a that possibility, whether or not they would use the words "death of their baby."

The Duggars can do what they like for their own reasons, but it is not unreasonable for the rest of us to notice that their actions go against societal norms.

Actually, I've had 3.

You need to critically read. Posters before me were referring to this as a simply miscarriage, but with much less sensitivity, referring to it as a 3inch fetus (or embryo).

Their actions might go against YOUR societal norms, but if you have ever watched the show then you would already know that the Duggars do everything outside of society's norms. Your lights are on, anyone home? In case you were not aware, they are Christian Fundamentalists. I'm not sure why people are so shocked that the Duggars are treating this pregnancy loss just the same as the death of a baby. Have any of you EVER taken an anthropology class or do you just think that we live in an homogenous culture?

Female genital mutilation is also cultural. Does that make it right?

There is no such thing as absolute truth. So who are you to judge what is right and what is wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP you are pretty nasty.

Those parents can mourn whichever way they want and considering their strong religious views, any moron can figure out that they consider this the death of their baby and not a simple miscarriage.

Like another poster said, NOBODY would have noticed the obit "Negative Nancy" had not posted it.

You have clearly never had a miscarriage. There is no such thing as a simple miscarriage. Anybody who has felt the thrill of getting two lines on a pregnancy test and started imagining what the future would be like feels the loss of a that possibility, whether or not they would use the words "death of their baby."

The Duggars can do what they like for their own reasons, but it is not unreasonable for the rest of us to notice that their actions go against societal norms.

Actually, I've had 3.

You need to critically read. Posters before me were referring to this as a simply miscarriage, but with much less sensitivity, referring to it as a 3inch fetus (or embryo).

Their actions might go against YOUR societal norms, but if you have ever watched the show then you would already know that the Duggars do everything outside of society's norms. Your lights are on, anyone home? In case you were not aware, they are Christian Fundamentalists. I'm not sure why people are so shocked that the Duggars are treating this pregnancy loss just the same as the death of a baby. Have any of you EVER taken an anthropology class or do you just think that we live in an homogenous culture?

Female genital mutilation is also cultural. Does that make it right?

There is no such thing as absolute truth. So who are you to judge what is right and what is wrong?

Anyone with common sense is a good judge as to what's right and what's wrong.

[Anonymous]

Regarding late talkers:

Take the book Late-Talking Children out of the library. Late-talkers in large families are not uncommon. Little ones often have an older "translator," so they do not have the same pressing need to refine oral communication, especially when they are always together, as the Duggars are. Also, there are certain cognitive profiles (often correlated with exceptional intelligence in certain areas) that tend to late oral skills.

I have seen this extensively within my very large extended family. There are lots of engineers and musicians, mathematicians and designers, and many talked very late. My brother who had spina bifida occulta was a very late talker, but he had plenty of people who understood him, and he's a brilliant computer scientist and composer as an adult. My own late talker is a chatterbox when the spirit moves him now, and he seems to be following in the path of his grandfather and his uncles through his love of math and design.

Observers may see neglect, but members of the family who actually KNOW the child may simply have patience and greater insight. Observation and consultation and possibly intervention might be explored, but loving parents usually do what they think is best. There is no way a heavily edited TV show gives an accurate developmental picture.

But for those looking for something negative to say, they will find it anywhere. Even in the loss of a child, apparently. Same tactic as the Westboro Baptist "Church," really--seizing on someome's tragedy to advance their own agenda. Shame on you mean people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP you are pretty nasty.

Those parents can mourn whichever way they want and considering their strong religious views, any moron can figure out that they consider this the death of their baby and not a simple miscarriage.

Like another poster said, NOBODY would have noticed the obit "Negative Nancy" had not posted it.

You have clearly never had a miscarriage. There is no such thing as a simple miscarriage. Anybody who has felt the thrill of getting two lines on a pregnancy test and started imagining what the future would be like feels the loss of a that possibility, whether or not they would use the words "death of their baby."

The Duggars can do what they like for their own reasons, but it is not unreasonable for the rest of us to notice that their actions go against societal norms.

Actually, I've had 3.

You need to critically read. Posters before me were referring to this as a simply miscarriage, but with much less sensitivity, referring to it as a 3inch fetus (or embryo).

Their actions might go against YOUR societal norms, but if you have ever watched the show then you would already know that the Duggars do everything outside of society's norms. Your lights are on, anyone home? In case you were not aware, they are Christian Fundamentalists. I'm not sure why people are so shocked that the Duggars are treating this pregnancy loss just the same as the death of a baby. Have any of you EVER taken an anthropology class or do you just think that we live in an homogenous culture?

Female genital mutilation is also cultural. Does that make it right?

There is no such thing as absolute truth. So who are you to judge what is right and what is wrong?

Anyone with common sense is a good judge as to what's right and what's wrong.

Define "common sense."

[Anonymous]

While I sympathize with those who have experienced miscarriage, to those of us outside the extreme Christian world, a miscarriage is the end of a potential life. It is certainly understandable that affected parents grieve and feel sorrow for the loss of potential life, but it is quite different from experiencing the loss of a child.

Writing an obituary for the loss of a non-viable fetus is a logical extension of the "personhood" movement and, as such, it is a political act. Carried to its logical conclusion, we may soon be seeing obituaries for embryos and even fertilized eggs. If you truly believe that a fertilized egg is a human being with full moral and legal rights, there is no reason not to write an obituary or even hold a funeral for Baby Evangelica, stillborn at 7 days gestation, 0.014 inches long and 150 cells of development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel for anyone who has a miscarriage, no matter what I think of her personally and no matter how many kids she already has, but really, this is over the top fame-mongering.

TONTITOWN — Jubilee Shalom Duggar entered into the presence of Jesus Dec. 2, 2011. She was stillborn at 11:46 p.m. on Dec. 11, 2011, weighing 4 oz. and was 6 cm. in length.

She is survived by her parents, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar; grandma, Mary Duggar; siblings, Josh, Jana, John, Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy, Jedidiah, Jeremiah, Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah, Jennifer, Jordyn and Josie; sister-in-love, Anna Duggar; niece, Mackynzie; nephew, Michael; and lots of cousins and extended family members.

She is joined in heaven by both of her maternal grandparents, Garrett and Ethel Ruark; and her paternal grandfather, J.L. Duggar.

The Duggar family is so grateful for the outpouring of love shown to them and they will be celebrating Jubilee’s life in a private memorial service with family and friends. Jubilee will be buried at Fairview Memorial Gardens in Fayetteville.

I completely disagree. This is a normal obit. Nothing over the top about it.

[Anonymous]

I think it's sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While I sympathize with those who have experienced miscarriage, to those of us outside the extreme Christian world, a miscarriage is the end of a potential life. It is certainly understandable that affected parents grieve and feel sorrow for the loss of potential life, but it is quite different from experiencing the loss of a child.

Writing an obituary for the loss of a non-viable fetus is a logical extension of the "personhood" movement and, as such, it is a political act. Carried to its logical conclusion, we may soon be seeing obituaries for embryos and even fertilized eggs. If you truly believe that a fertilized egg is a human being with full moral and legal rights, there is no reason not to write an obituary or even hold a funeral for Baby Evangelica, stillborn at 7 days gestation, 0.014 inches long and 150 cells of development.

So it all goes back to access to abortion, abortifacient contraception, and unfettered reproductive technologies. In order to protect one's ability to destroy, obstruct, hinder, end, enhance--to wit, "control" one's reproduction, one must dehumanize the products of conception so completely that no one is allowed to respect the inherent value of life from conception to birth.

So true. So logical.

[Anonymous]

This thread is just a glimpse of the fact that the world is coming to an end very soon.

The level of hypocrisy, hate, anger and prejudice is just unbelievable!

All of you who criticize the folks who let the Chinese run over toddler to die on the street now are saying this horrible things about a family grieving the loss of a child (yes, for them it was a child).

What kind of parameters, values and morals do you have? - if any at all.

Just gross!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:dehumanize the products of conception so completely that no one is allowed to respect the inherent value of life from conception to birth.

So true. So logical.

If you would like to write an obituary and hold a funeral for the loss of a one-week pregnancy, you may. No one is stopping you. You don't need my permission. Perhaps this will soon be the norm in our society.

[Anonymous]

Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?

Don't you think about names during the entire pregnancy???????

"Saying hello, goodbye, and making memories:
After the tests are completed, you will usually have the choice to spend time alone with your baby. You can find comfort in looking at, touching, and talking to your baby. Most parents find it helpful to make memories of this precious time that will last a lifetime. Here are a few ways you can make memories with your baby:

You can give your baby a bath and dress them in a special outfit. Before leaving the hospital you can take the a piece of this clothing to have as a keepsake.
You can take pictures of your baby.
The hospital staff can give you an imprint of handprints and/or footprints.
You may want to take a lock of your baby’s hair.
It may seem odd at first but you can read a story or sing a lullaby to your baby.
If you would like, the nurse can record your baby’s measurements.
You probably have also named your baby by now. Be sure to tell the hospital staff as soon as possible so all documents can have your baby’s name listed.
You can have your baby christened or blessed while in the hospital.
A baptism certificate will also be given to you to keep."

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyloss/sbsurvivingemotionally.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?

Most people who have a stillborn have chosen a name already and give the baby the name it would have had had it lived. Though, I'm sure the Duggars would also give the embryo a name if she found out she was pregnant at 6 weeks and miscarried at 8. That's just how they are.

[Anonymous]

Wow I hadn't realized there were so many rules about how people must mourn a miscarriage, stillborn, death of a child, death of a fetus. What a world we live in where each person must experience loss in the same way. Or rather, where people who lose a "fetus" are not allowed to mourn versus those who lose a "child." Unbelievable.


I wonder what those barking about the Duggar's behavior would teach and do teach their own kids about judging others. So many threads about how we have to be accepting of each and every child and yet when adults behave in a way that perhaps makes us a bit uncomfortable, well then we need to reproach them immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a stillborn fetus given a name?

Most people who have a stillborn have chosen a name already and give the baby the name it would have had had it lived. Though, I'm sure the Duggars would also give the embryo a name if she found out she was pregnant at 6 weeks and miscarried at 8. That's just how they are.

We didn't settle on a name until the last month of pregnancy. Wouldn't have wanted to jinx the pg.