Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe there are people (I assumed most ppl who read this board are educated) who are DEFENDING this crap. What planet are you on? That "obituary" is sick. They have ceased to be parents. They are the Kardashian family with 80s hairdos and tater tot casseroles. They are nothing but whores who are cashing in on their kids and Michelle's uterus. Here's an idea:pay attention to the children you do have. Ick.

I agree.

media whores only

The more I read this forum, the more I realize that one can be degreed out the ass w/o having any common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here and I disagree that this thread is mean-spirited. I follow the Duggars, watch their show, have an odd (to me) fascination with them. I felt so sad for them when Michelle had this miscarriage.

I am perfectly comfortable posting this PUBLIC news, however. 100% comfortable. When you turn your "private" grief into a publicity moment with People magazine (updating every several hours with news on this turn of events), you open yourself up for criticism.

To ANNOUNCE that you are having a celebration of life/funeral for a 3-inch fetus that never knew sentience, along with an obituary is absurd. I find JB&M's actions insulting to life, not supportive of it. If they really want to support life, they could start with paying some attention to and getting some services for their developmentally delayed toddler.

This latest publicity is all about the TLC gravy train, fame whoring, and right to life propaganda. This is going to be all over the right to life websites in no time.

I have several friends and a family member who have grieved miscarriages too, but they did so privately. JB&M need to study that word in a home school lesson at their dining room table. Then they should have a real life lesson where they apply the meaning of the word, which is seemingly unfamiliar to them.

An obituary is an ANNOUNCEMENT. That's what people do, they put it in the paper. And the fact that you don't get having a funeral for a miscarriage is not their problem, it's yours.

You complain about the fact that this is all going on in public, but then YOU are the reason for the publicity. You and all of the viewers who watch their show with an odd fascination. [b]Now there is nothing they do which will not be public.[/b]

Who made them public? certainly not the viewer

They signed on with TLC, agreeing to air their daily lifestyles. If someone hops onto Metro naked, are the other passengers to blame for his 5 minutes of "fame," too?

You make no sense.

[Anonymous]

It never ceases to amaze me how some people passionately defend the Duggar family as if they were your own family. Hell, you probably aren't that nice to your own family (as evidenced by other threads). It's TELEVISION. When you allow a camera into your home, to invade your child's privacy before they can even consent, that is wrong. And an OBIT for a miscarriage. Let's mourn Jim Bob's goo in the kleenex while we're at it.

[Anonymous]

Maybe a dingo ate that bayebee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP you are pretty nasty.

Those parents can mourn whichever way they want and considering their strong religious views, any moron can figure out that they consider this the death of their baby and not a simple miscarriage.

Like another poster said, NOBODY would have noticed the obit "Negative Nancy" had not posted it.

You have clearly never had a miscarriage. There is no such thing as a simple miscarriage. Anybody who has felt the thrill of getting two lines on a pregnancy test and started imagining what the future would be like feels the loss of a that possibility, whether or not they would use the words "death of their baby."

The Duggars can do what they like for their own reasons, but it is not unreasonable for the rest of us to notice that their actions go against societal norms.

[Anonymous]

Obituary is to keep themselves in the news limelight
They are using this baby

[Anonymous]

Am I the only person who finds it odd/bordering on inappropriate when non-Jewish people use Hebrew words for things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person who finds it odd/bordering on inappropriate when non-Jewish people use Hebrew words for things?

I find it inappropriate as well, but the Duggars tend to adopt Jewish practices for some reason (e.g. they don't eat pork, they don't have sex for X days after a birth of a boy or Y days after the birth of a girl, a couple of their daughters wear Star of David necklaces...).

[Anonymous]

If you think this is outrageous, just wait until they inevitably air the memorial service on a very special episode of their TLC show. I do not for one second put that past them.

Can the PP who mentioned Josie's developmental delays elaborate? How do you know about them? From what I've seen the Duggars insist she is fine- what leads you think she has developmental delays? (Not doubting you, she was a VERY young preemie, just wondering how you know.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a horrible thing to say! I work with SN children and I can't imagine anyone who has a heart saying that a disabled child is "trouble". This is sickening to me!

I just hope all this horrible people are not part of my circle.

Are any of you the co-worker who called the autistic kid dumb on his face during a family friendly office party last week? - from the SN forum if you're familiar with it.

A premie that size would be severly disabled. There is a world of difference between a special needs and a kid that must be fed on tubes for the rest of his life
Do people really bring autistic kids to office parties?
My kids are loud and noisy and there are not that many places I would take them to. Office party is not one of them

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you think this is outrageous, just wait until they inevitably air the memorial service on a very special episode of their TLC show. I do not for one second put that past them.

Can the PP who mentioned Josie's developmental delays elaborate? How do you know about them? From what I've seen the Duggars insist she is fine- what leads you think she has developmental delays? (Not doubting you, she was a VERY young preemie, just wondering how you know.)

I don't know anything more than anyone else, but from observing Josie on the 19K and Counting show, it seems pretty clear that she is not where she should be (notwithstanding the Duggars' insistence that she is just fine). She just turned two years old. On the most recent episodes (filmed in July/August), Josie's talking is literally just babble, not even attempting to string words together like 'want milk' or something simple. She doesn't seem to be properly taking in her environment; when she came back from Israel I know she was ill but there was no sense that she even recognized Dad or any of the other caregivers. She blows kisses and hits her face repeatedly (self-stimulation?).

She might have had some kind of brain damage with her premature birth, or else she is very far behind on her cognitive development (even allowing for adjusted age given her prematurity). I'm sure she'd benefit from therapy, but I guess either the Duggars don't believe in it or else they don't want us to know about it. They make it seem as if they can care for Josie and that she has no special needs other than being on oxygen (even the fact that this is ongoing leads me to believe Josie might have a permanent problem with her lungs). The longer the show goes on, however, the Duggars will eventually have to address Josie's issues. Then again, they don't seem to notice that Jordyn can barely talk, and that Jennifer also appears to be speech delayed.

I know that we get a heavily edited version of their lives, but really, in the chaos of that household I don't see how some of these kids are getting proper attention for development-based issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think this is outrageous, just wait until they inevitably air the memorial service on a very special episode of their TLC show. I do not for one second put that past them.

Can the PP who mentioned Josie's developmental delays elaborate? How do you know about them? From what I've seen the Duggars insist she is fine- what leads you think she has developmental delays? (Not doubting you, she was a VERY young preemie, just wondering how you know.)

I don't know anything more than anyone else, but from observing Josie on the 19K and Counting show, it seems pretty clear that she is not where she should be (notwithstanding the Duggars' insistence that she is just fine). She just turned two years old. On the most recent episodes (filmed in July/August), Josie's talking is literally just babble, not even attempting to string words together like 'want milk' or something simple. She doesn't seem to be properly taking in her environment; when she came back from Israel I know she was ill but there was no sense that she even recognized Dad or any of the other caregivers. She blows kisses and hits her face repeatedly (self-stimulation?).

She might have had some kind of brain damage with her premature birth, or else she is very far behind on her cognitive development (even allowing for adjusted age given her prematurity). I'm sure she'd benefit from therapy, but I guess either the Duggars don't believe in it or else they don't want us to know about it. They make it seem as if they can care for Josie and that she has no special needs other than being on oxygen (even the fact that this is ongoing leads me to believe Josie might have a permanent problem with her lungs). The longer the show goes on, however, the Duggars will eventually have to address Josie's issues. Then again, they don't seem to notice that Jordyn can barely talk, and that Jennifer also appears to be speech delayed.

I know that we get a heavily edited version of their lives, but really, in the chaos of that household I don't see how some of these kids are getting proper attention for development-based issues.

Oh I see... I haven't watched the show since she was born, so I haven't seen how she behaves as a toddler. I didn't realize Jordyn and Jennifer weren't speaking either. That's pretty unusual in a house full of kids... usually, children who are born into a family with a couple kids are early talkers since they hear their siblings do so much of it. You'd think with 18+ other kids running around they'd be quick to talk (maybe not Josie since she was a preemie, but the others). That's sad. However, I suppose it doesn't surprise me. The rest of their kids don't seem that bright either after withering away under the "education" they've received. I don't think it's a high priority for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP you are pretty nasty.

Those parents can mourn whichever way they want and considering their strong religious views, any moron can figure out that they consider this the death of their baby and not a simple miscarriage.

Like another poster said, NOBODY would have noticed the obit "Negative Nancy" had not posted it.

You have clearly never had a miscarriage. There is no such thing as a simple miscarriage. Anybody who has felt the thrill of getting two lines on a pregnancy test and started imagining what the future would be like feels the loss of a that possibility, whether or not they would use the words "death of their baby."

The Duggars can do what they like for their own reasons, but it is not unreasonable for the rest of us to notice that their actions go against societal norms.

Actually, I've had 3.

You need to critically read. Posters before me were referring to this as a simply miscarriage, but with much less sensitivity, referring to it as a 3inch fetus (or embryo).

Their actions might go against YOUR societal norms, but if you have ever watched the show then you would already know that the Duggars do everything outside of society's norms. Your lights are on, anyone home? In case you were not aware, they are Christian Fundamentalists. I'm not sure why people are so shocked that the Duggars are treating this pregnancy loss just the same as the death of a baby. Have any of you EVER taken an anthropology class or do you just think that we live in an homogenous culture?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, OP you are pretty nasty.

Those parents can mourn whichever way they want and considering their strong religious views, any moron can figure out that they consider this the death of their baby and not a simple miscarriage.

Like another poster said, NOBODY would have noticed the obit "Negative Nancy" had not posted it.

You have clearly never had a miscarriage. There is no such thing as a simple miscarriage. Anybody who has felt the thrill of getting two lines on a pregnancy test and started imagining what the future would be like feels the loss of a that possibility, whether or not they would use the words "death of their baby."

The Duggars can do what they like for their own reasons, but it is not unreasonable for the rest of us to notice that their actions go against societal norms.

Actually, I've had 3.

You need to critically read. Posters before me were referring to this as a simply miscarriage, but with much less sensitivity, referring to it as a 3inch fetus (or embryo).

Their actions might go against YOUR societal norms, but if you have ever watched the show then you would already know that the Duggars do everything outside of society's norms. Your lights are on, anyone home? In case you were not aware, they are Christian Fundamentalists. I'm not sure why people are so shocked that the Duggars are treating this pregnancy loss just the same as the death of a baby. Have any of you EVER taken an anthropology class or do you just think that we live in an homogenous culture?

Female genital mutilation is also cultural. Does that make it right?

[Anonymous]

This thread makes me think of the way people who are thought to be possessed react to holy water: repulsed.

They named their daughter "celebration of peace.". I think back to my miscarriages (whom I named), and the very name they chose for her makes me cry and come to a deeper understanding of my own loss, after all these years. Their daughter is at peace, but they still miss her, always will, and through her name, they say "The Lord has given, the Lord has taken away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.". What a beautiful expression of faith. I wish I had been that strong--I hated God when I lost my babies.

This thread also reminds me of all the commentary about Tim Tebow lately. It's fascinating. Such vitriol, such ugliness: they're trash! Probably hypocrites! Stupid! Attention hogs! Disgusting displays! Fake love!

The divide between faith and cynicism grows. These are Christians, and they are witnessing to their faith, as fervent Christians have always done, just by living what they believe. And that drives people insane. Why? Because they take it personally. Why? Because they can't help comparing themselves to these people.

I asked the same questions when my husband and I left the Ivy League for a grad program at a Catholic school. Why are these people so happy? Why are they so much in love? Why are they always peaceful, even under great stress? Why are they helping me? What's in it for them? What do they care?

The nastiness here does not reflect poorly on the Duggars. It opens a window to the soul of the poster.

Rest in peace, Jubilee Shalom.