Stanford professor dad - arrested and facing one year jail time because teens drank in his house

[Anonymous]

Anyway, this arrest is completely ridiculous. Remember the arrest and jailing of the pregnant mother who ate a sandwich at the Safeway and *forgot* to pay for it? I'd say this is an example of the same level of police overreach.

Just plain old stupid.

The letter of the law (if in fact the arrest is in accordance with the letter) and the spirit of the law might not be singing the same tune, here.

[Anonymous]

So if the neighbors figured it out and the cops figured it out, why didn't the parents figure it out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if the neighbors figured it out and the cops figured it out, why didn't the parents figure it out?

Our neighbors can see directly into our basement and garage. We don't have the same vantage point from upstairs in our house. Not excusing anything, just suggesting that it's not rocket science. Totally plausible the neighbors saw something they didn't like, called police, who just followed up on the call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:44 counts?! Please. You're buying his "I didn't know." Give me a break. I didn't know there were 44 kids drinking beer.

How old are your kids?

Parents can do everything right and kids can still get shit by. And BTW - kids don't typically drink beer- its usually vodka in water bottles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I highly doubt dad didn't know they were drinking.

And neither I or any of my siblings or any of our friends ever brought alcohol into our house. It is possible to raise kids that respect their parents and the house rules or to at least fear the repercussions to the point they they comply.

Raise a teenager. Then check back.

So true, PP! Good point!

Totally true- I wonder how many posters on here have teens. IT IS SO HARD NOW. You can do everything right and your kids can still get into sh*t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I highly doubt dad didn't know they were drinking.

And neither I or any of my siblings or any of our friends ever brought alcohol into our house. It is possible to raise kids that respect their parents and the house rules or to at least fear the repercussions to the point they they comply.

Raise a teenager. Then check back.

I do raise teens - through fostering. Not my own kids but still have experience raising teens. Of course nothing I say will matter as you already know for 100% that ALL teens will sneak in alcohol based on how you have raised your own kids - what you don't realize is that not all parents raise kids the way you do. It is the same as parents who say I let my kids have sex in my house because ALL teens have sex or ALL teens will drink and drive or ALL teens will do x or y. This black and white perspective shows ignorance that not all teens are identical and that not all parents raise teens to act the same way. It also ignores stats that show that not all kids drink/get drunk/have sex in high school. those kids have parents too - who have raised them to have different values, beliefs, morals, priorities etc..and hence different actions.

I actually think this is why people are taking exception with your comment - you are saying it is possible to make sure ALL teens do not do these things via effective parenting. You are the one with the "black and white perspective"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:44 counts?! Please. You're buying his "I didn't know." Give me a break. I didn't know there were 44 kids drinking beer.

How old are your kids?

Parents can do everything right and kids can still get shit by. And BTW - kids don't typically drink beer- its usually vodka in water bottles.

From what I have read, the father was being charged with 44 counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor becauset here were that many kids at the party. No one is saying that all of them were drinking, but just the fact that there was some kind of alcohol smuggled into the party meant that they were all exposed to possibly illegal behavior. NOT that they were all drinking.

[Anonymous]

Was just reading a thread the other day about having mature, responsible teens. Think the magic formula was to be checked out parents so the kids have to be that way. Helicopter parenting leads to future inept, irresponsible adults??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I highly doubt dad didn't know they were drinking.

And neither I or any of my siblings or any of our friends ever brought alcohol into our house. It is possible to raise kids that respect their parents and the house rules or to at least fear the repercussions to the point they they comply.

Raise a teenager. Then check back.

I do raise teens - through fostering. Not my own kids but still have experience raising teens. Of course nothing I say will matter as you already know for 100% that ALL teens will sneak in alcohol based on how you have raised your own kids - what you don't realize is that not all parents raise kids the way you do. It is the same as parents who say I let my kids have sex in my house because ALL teens have sex or ALL teens will drink and drive or ALL teens will do x or y. This black and white perspective shows ignorance that not all teens are identical and that not all parents raise teens to act the same way. It also ignores stats that show that not all kids drink/get drunk/have sex in high school. those kids have parents too - who have raised them to have different values, beliefs, morals, priorities etc..and hence different actions.

lol. if you think raising a foster kid for a few years with threats and fear is comparable to raising a child from infancy in a stable, loving family, you are sadly mistaken. And if your methodology manages to work in real life, I'll eat a placenta.

[Anonymous]

Mmm...placenta

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I highly doubt dad didn't know they were drinking.

And neither I or any of my siblings or any of our friends ever brought alcohol into our house. It is possible to raise kids that respect their parents and the house rules or to at least fear the repercussions to the point they they comply.

Raise a teenager. Then check back.

I do raise teens - through fostering. Not my own kids but still have experience raising teens. Of course nothing I say will matter as you already know for 100% that ALL teens will sneak in alcohol based on how you have raised your own kids - what you don't realize is that not all parents raise kids the way you do. It is the same as parents who say I let my kids have sex in my house because ALL teens have sex or ALL teens will drink and drive or ALL teens will do x or y. This black and white perspective shows ignorance that not all teens are identical and that not all parents raise teens to act the same way. It also ignores stats that show that not all kids drink/get drunk/have sex in high school. those kids have parents too - who have raised them to have different values, beliefs, morals, priorities etc..and hence different actions.

lol. if you think raising a foster kid for a few years with threats and fear is comparable to raising a child from infancy in a stable, loving family, you are sadly mistaken. And if your methodology manages to work in real life, I'll eat a placenta.

Oh please. Have you ever met foster kids? If she raises foster kids, she knows more about handling teen problems than you will ever know. She has seen it all. Give it a rest.

[Anonymous]

We have 4 kids -- 2 teens, one college student and one newly-minted college grad. They're good kids and so are their friends, but from years of experience I can say that supervising a teen party requires hawk-like alertness. It's not enough to just be present in the home. You really need to be circulating through the party at frequent intervals, looking kids in the eye and talking to them to check whether they've been drinking or doing drugs. Nobody gets in a car without your checking them out very carefully. Your kid needs to be totally on board with this or no party. For a party with 40 kids, you need at least two adults, preferably 3 or 4. Having said this, my reaction to the article is "there but for the grace of God . . . "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:44 counts?! Please. You're buying his "I didn't know." Give me a break. I didn't know there were 44 kids drinking beer.

How old are your kids?

Parents can do everything right and kids can still get shit by. And BTW - kids don't typically drink beer- its usually vodka in water bottles.

vodka in water bottles wouldn't attract the kind of attention that led to this arrest, m' kay?

there must have been some sort of probable cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have 4 kids -- 2 teens, one college student and one newly-minted college grad. They're good kids and so are their friends, but from years of experience I can say that supervising a teen party requires hawk-like alertness. It's not enough to just be present in the home. You really need to be circulating through the party at frequent intervals, looking kids in the eye and talking to them to check whether they've been drinking or doing drugs. Nobody gets in a car without your checking them out very carefully. Your kid needs to be totally on board with this or no party. For a party with 40 kids, you need at least two adults, preferably 3 or 4. Having said this, my reaction to the article is "there but for the grace of God . . . "

This this this. Congrats on getting one through college! We have a freshman in college and it's always amazing to me how you never ever stop worrying about them and praying for their safety. We have two more at home and I consider myself to be vigilant about drinking, drugs, etc. But I still can't sleep until I know they're home and in bed and while they're out I get an odd feeling when the phone rings or the door bell rings or if I see the sight/sounds of an ambulance or police car. I'm pretty normal otherwise! I did buy myself an iPhone just to better keep in communication with them.

[Anonymous]

Wish I could talk to his lawyer. Would tell the lawyer to tell judge that if this is what te law intended, then every school principle in America should be arrested on how ever many children are enrolled in that school, that many accounts of underage drinking or drugs. This is just another example of the government going completely overboard and being rediculous. I'm not saying that undrage drinking is good but its also something that has been going on since alcolhol and drugs were invented and will continue to go on until the end of time. The cops should get off their lazy butts and find out who brought the alcohol and arrest them, not the father!