How can you call yourself a Christian if you have an "Christmas Tree"
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
Oh stop it. Nobody is going to take your bait. Find something more productive to do. |
Anonymous
http://www.christmasarchives.com/trees.html In the mid 16th century, Christmas markets were set up in German towns, to provide everything from Christmas presents, food and more practical things such as a knife grinder to sharpen the knife to carve the Christmas Goose! At these fairs, bakers made shaped gingerbreads and wax ornaments for people to buy as souvenirs of the fair, and take home to hang on their Christmas Trees. The best record we have is that of a visitor to Strasbourg in 1601. He records a tree decorated with "wafers and golden sugar-twists (Barleysugar) and paper flowers of all colours". The early trees were biblically symbolic of the Paradise Tree in the Garden of Eden. The many food items were symbols of Plenty, the flowers, originally only red (for Knowledge) and White (for Innocence). Tinsel Tinsel was invented in Germany around 1610. At that time real silver was used, and machines were invented which pulled the silver out into the wafer thin strips for tinsel. Silver was durable, but tarnished quickly, especially with candlelight. Attempts were made to use a mixture of lead and tin, but this was heavy and tended to break under its own weight so was not so practical. So silver was used for tinsel right up to the mid-20th century. The First English Trees The Christmas Tree first came to England with the Georgian Kings who came from Germany. At this time also, German Merchants living in England decorated their homes with a Christmas Tree. The British public were not fond of the German Monarchy, so did not copy the fashions at Court, which is why the Christmas Tree did not establish in Britain at that time. A few families did have Christmas trees however, probably more from the influence of their German neighbours than from the Royal Court. The decorations were Tinsels, silver wire ornaments, candles and small beads. All these had been manufactured in Germany and East Europe since the 17th century. The custom was to have several small trees on tables, one for each member of the family, with that persons gifts stacked on the table under the tree. The Victorian and Albert Tree In 1846, the popular Royals, Queen Victoria and her German Prince, Albert, were illustrated in the Illustrated London News. They were standing with their children around a Christmas Tree. Unlike the previous Royal family, Victoria was very popular with her subjects, and what was done at Court immediately became fashionable - not only in Britain, but with fashion-conscious East Coast American Society. The English Christmas Tree had arrived! |
Anonymous
WTF? I don't like what the thread is implying. It's not bait, it's how I feel. I don't like when religious idiots tell me how to live my life and I don't have to stand for it. Buzz off if you don't like it. |
Anonymous
WTF right back. Nobody on this thread has even suggested they take the bible literally. Nor has anybody on this thread told you how to live your life. So your haranguing us about bible literalism comes as a total non sequitur. However it sure is consistent with trolling. Buzz off, troll. |
Anonymous
|
Seems like saying "I'm Christian" is enough to get 21:18 all upset about what you're "implying" and how you're a "religious idiot who is telling her how to live her life."
21:18, you may not be religious, but you're definitely hearing voices that don't exist on this thread. |
Anonymous
| You religious people are ridiculous. You seriously would label someone as inferior to you because they have a christmas tree? Who the heck would want to go to heaven if it is full of judgemental souls like this? |
Anonymous
WTF? The only person here quoting scripture about christmas trees (and incorrectly, it's been pointed out) is a pagan. And learn how to spell "judgmental." |
Anonymous
Learn out not to be a bitch. So sick of the spelling jerk-offs on here. |
Anonymous
| silly religious people. Look at them fight!! |
Anonymous
Given that biblical scholars say he was born between 4 and 6 BC (Before Christ!) ie we were off by 4-6 years, it is highly improbable that we got the day right. I'm not your PP but I thought this was common Sunday school knowledge. |
Anonymous
I took the bait, because I agree. And I don't think she is a troll. I am agreeable to all faith traditions, and how they practice their faiths. Unless they tell me I am wrong in not believing. Then I get pissed. |
Anonymous
|
Op, will Santa still be able to find my house and give me presents if I don't have a tree? I worry about that.
|
Anonymous
|
I've never met a pagan who celebrates pagan holidays. Where are they?
|
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure that's because they don't want to draw attention and get harassed. With so few willing to be public about their beliefs that doesn't result in much visible celebration. in other words, our bigotry ruins their holidays. |
Anonymous
Hey, me too! 
|