Extreme Breast Feeding ( until 7)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The flaw in your logic, pp, is comparing starving a child to nursing a 7 year old. They are not the same thing.

I don't have a problem with judgment at all. I do it all the time.

But I try to make sure my judgments are based on fact, not on uninformed prejudice.

What part of "obviously this is different" do you not understand? The analogy was to judging other parents, not what the judgement was based on. Do you understand now?

I understand completely. I said judgments in general should be based on facts and measurable criteria--not on the "ewww" factor. It is a fact and there are measurable criteria that starving your child is universally wrong-morally, ethically, legally. Easy to judge based on those criteria. Where is the measurable criteria for judging extended breastfeeding, outside of an opinion that cannot be backed up by fact or evidence? There is no moral, legal, or ethical evidence that contra indicates extended breastfeeding, outside of people who say "I have the right to judge and I say it's bad." Too bad there is no evidence to back up that argument.

There is no evidence that it is wrong to defacate on a consenting adult. I still judge it as gross and I find the practice as offensive to my sensibilities. Who know? Maybe in 50 years we will all be pooping on each other in bed?

[Anonymous]

I have a 5 yr old son, who at 4 was already interested in "boobies"--and I think in a sexual way. He use to try and touch mine, as well as the nanny's before we taught him those were our privates and were to be left alone. He has seen my bra catalogues and when they come he certainly takes a look at them.

There is no way I would still be nursing him! I know he isn't the only 5 yr old boy who is like this. I think the eww factor kicks in when you know the kids start thinking about stuff in a sexual way.

[Anonymous]

please - your five year old doesn't think about sex in the way that adults do. Read some basic child development books or talk to your pediatrician. You are sexualizing your child, your child isn't sexualizing your breasts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:please - your five year old doesn't think about sex in the way that adults do. Read some basic child development books or talk to your pediatrician. You are sexualizing your child, your child isn't sexualizing your breasts.

New Poster here. Not like adults do, but I know my 5yr old is starting to get crushes. He had one on a girl in his class and was giggling about marrying her so he could kiss her. I've seen where he has had other crushes on pretty women. I'm not sure though if he would know what a boob really was. I also go nude around the house and am not modest at all. For the very first time he asked me to put my clothes on, he said he "likes me better with my clothes on". I think it is the very first sign of him being feeling ever so slightly uncomfortable with seeing mom nude.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people are crazy. It's not normal or healthy. I feel more than confident saying that. I don't really care what you say. I find it utterly obnoxious for people to act like this is OK. There comes a point where it's OK to say, "yeah, this is just wrong." Why not just admit that it's so far beyond the bounds of normal. If it were normal and "acceptable," why are they being spotlighted? Why is it of interest if it's just par for the course and live and let live. We have a responsibility not to do harm to our children. This is harm. Sorry.

Agreed!

Ditto. What's creepy about it to me is that I think it has absolutely ZERO to do with the kids and everything to do with the mothers and their emotional need to still have a child hanging off their breast at 7, 8, 9. It's not sexual but it smacks of warped emotions, lacking emotions, etc. And for some I'm sure there is a sexual element. Nipples have nerve endings that charge the sexual response. Now I'm not saying these moms are molesters but if the BF didn't feel good would they be doing past the point of nutritional needs? if it hurt would they still be allowing it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've seen this clip again and again - and each time I'm still shocked by the situation.

My son is 3; he did indeed self-wean at 6 months. My daughter is 7. I nursed her for three months. I look at her and cannot IMAGINE pulling out my breast for her comfort. It's absolutely disgusting. The mother in the clip is abusive, in my opinion.

As one PP said, we have clean water and a fairly good food supply. There's no need to go to these lengths to justify extended breastfeeding.

PP, this is sad and I mean that truly. If you want to be more successful nursing your next possibly child (if you have another), I hope you will consider examining your attitudes and misperceptions about nursing. They may be contributing to your stumbling blocks here.

Why do you think she was not successful? Ever occur to you that some women don't feel they have to nurse longer than a few days, weeks, or months?

She is not asking for nursing advice, she is just commenting on the very obvious surrounding these bizarre behavior of putting a breast in a grown child's mouth

The woman in the video was not asking for weaning advice, or advice on what a bunch of harpy housewives think is "normal," either. You have a right to pontificate, and I have the right to observe that a woman who thinks "pulling out her breast for her daughters comfort" is "disgusting" and she just "can't imagine" it, who also did not breastfeed past six months, probably has some hang ups that contributed to the truncated nursing relationship she had with her children.

So let me get this straight. It's not okay for breastfeeding advocates to encourage longer nursing, (even the benign, one year length recommended as the minimum by every reputable health organization out there), but it is perfectly okay for those creeped out by breastfeeding, generally, to pontificate on how abusive it is to breastfeed past a year or so?

Such a sad double standard. I've been part of the DCUM community for a long time. As much as formula feeders claim to be subject to breastfeeding zealots (or nazis, or lactivists, or whatever you preferred insulting nomenclature may be), I nearly always observe formula feeders who are absolutely antagonistic towards nursing moms, demean the importance of nursing, and call anyone who nurses past their own close-minded determination of an appropriate period of time freaks. You only further diminish your credibility by broadening your insults to include organic gardening, etc. Why do you have so much hate in your heart for people who do something different? It just seems so defensive.

I'll be perfectly honest that I was making a point at this woman's expense, pointing out her nursing shortcomings as I see them. I wouldn't have opened my mouth about it, though, had she not so aggressively attacked what I do (nursing my two year old, sometimes for "comfort") without stopping to think about how *I* might feel. It's not okay to be so nasty. You may think it is because you're right, but you're not. It's not okay.

Ah well. People are who they are, and many of you are nasty pieces of work.

For the record, I can guarantee I won't be nursing my kiddo at 7 years, but if it works for a handful of families, it's okay with me. (Of course, it doesn't have to be okay with me, or any of you, for them to do it, and thank goodness for that). Fortunately, your opinions about this don't matter, so I suppose I shouldn't be wasting my time trying to educate you. Blech.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people are crazy. It's not normal or healthy. I feel more than confident saying that. I don't really care what you say. I find it utterly obnoxious for people to act like this is OK. There comes a point where it's OK to say, "yeah, this is just wrong." Why not just admit that it's so far beyond the bounds of normal. If it were normal and "acceptable," why are they being spotlighted? Why is it of interest if it's just par for the course and live and let live. We have a responsibility not to do harm to our children. This is harm. Sorry.

Agreed!

Ditto. What's creepy about it to me is that I think it has absolutely ZERO to do with the kids and everything to do with the mothers and their emotional need to still have a child hanging off their breast at 7, 8, 9. It's not sexual but it smacks of warped emotions, lacking emotions, etc. And for some I'm sure there is a sexual element. Nipples have nerve endings that charge the sexual response. Now I'm not saying these moms are molesters but if the BF didn't feel good would they be doing past the point of nutritional needs? if it hurt would they still be allowing it?

New poster. Agree. There's something wrong with the mothers. And there will be something wrong with their kids. It's a vicious cycle, like any other kind of abuse or mental disease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen this clip again and again - and each time I'm still shocked by the situation.

My son is 3; he did indeed self-wean at 6 months. My daughter is 7. I nursed her for three months. I look at her and cannot IMAGINE pulling out my breast for her comfort. It's absolutely disgusting. The mother in the clip is abusive, in my opinion.

As one PP said, we have clean water and a fairly good food supply. There's no need to go to these lengths to justify extended breastfeeding.

PP, this is sad and I mean that truly. If you want to be more successful nursing your next possibly child (if you have another), I hope you will consider examining your attitudes and misperceptions about nursing. They may be contributing to your stumbling blocks here.

Why do you think she was not successful? Ever occur to you that some women don't feel they have to nurse longer than a few days, weeks, or months?

She is not asking for nursing advice, she is just commenting on the very obvious surrounding these bizarre behavior of putting a breast in a grown child's mouth

The woman in the video was not asking for weaning advice, or advice on what a bunch of harpy housewives think is "normal," either. You have a right to pontificate, and I have the right to observe that a woman who thinks "pulling out her breast for her daughters comfort" is "disgusting" and she just "can't imagine" it, who also did not breastfeed past six months, probably has some hang ups that contributed to the truncated nursing relationship she had with her children.

So let me get this straight. It's not okay for breastfeeding advocates to encourage longer nursing, (even the benign, one year length recommended as the minimum by every reputable health organization out there), but it is perfectly okay for those creeped out by breastfeeding, generally, to pontificate on how abusive it is to breastfeed past a year or so?

Such a sad double standard. I've been part of the DCUM community for a long time. As much as formula feeders claim to be subject to breastfeeding zealots (or nazis, or lactivists, or whatever you preferred insulting nomenclature may be), I nearly always observe formula feeders who are absolutely antagonistic towards nursing moms, demean the importance of nursing, and call anyone who nurses past their own close-minded determination of an appropriate period of time freaks. You only further diminish your credibility by broadening your insults to include organic gardening, etc. Why do you have so much hate in your heart for people who do something different? It just seems so defensive.

I'll be perfectly honest that I was making a point at this woman's expense, pointing out her nursing shortcomings as I see them. I wouldn't have opened my mouth about it, though, had she not so aggressively attacked what I do (nursing my two year old, sometimes for "comfort") without stopping to think about how *I* might feel. It's not okay to be so nasty. You may think it is because you're right, but you're not. It's not okay.

Ah well. People are who they are, and many of you are nasty pieces of work.

For the record, I can guarantee I won't be nursing my kiddo at 7 years, but if it works for a handful of families, it's okay with me. (Of course, it doesn't have to be okay with me, or any of you, for them to do it, and thank goodness for that). Fortunately, your opinions about this don't matter, so I suppose I shouldn't be wasting my time trying to educate you. Blech.

I am (one of) the posters who has been arguing the same side as you this whole time, and I think I love you. We can be friends ANY TIME.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen this clip again and again - and each time I'm still shocked by the situation.

My son is 3; he did indeed self-wean at 6 months. My daughter is 7. I nursed her for three months. I look at her and cannot IMAGINE pulling out my breast for her comfort. It's absolutely disgusting. The mother in the clip is abusive, in my opinion.

As one PP said, we have clean water and a fairly good food supply. There's no need to go to these lengths to justify extended breastfeeding.

PP, this is sad and I mean that truly. If you want to be more successful nursing your next possibly child (if you have another), I hope you will consider examining your attitudes and misperceptions about nursing. They may be contributing to your stumbling blocks here.

Why do you think she was not successful? Ever occur to you that some women don't feel they have to nurse longer than a few days, weeks, or months?

She is not asking for nursing advice, she is just commenting on the very obvious surrounding these bizarre behavior of putting a breast in a grown child's mouth

The woman in the video was not asking for weaning advice, or advice on what a bunch of harpy housewives think is "normal," either. You have a right to pontificate, and I have the right to observe that a woman who thinks "pulling out her breast for her daughters comfort" is "disgusting" and she just "can't imagine" it, who also did not breastfeed past six months, probably has some hang ups that contributed to the truncated nursing relationship she had with her children.

So let me get this straight. It's not okay for breastfeeding advocates to encourage longer nursing, (even the benign, one year length recommended as the minimum by every reputable health organization out there), but it is perfectly okay for those creeped out by breastfeeding, generally, to pontificate on how abusive it is to breastfeed past a year or so?

Such a sad double standard. I've been part of the DCUM community for a long time. As much as formula feeders claim to be subject to breastfeeding zealots (or nazis, or lactivists, or whatever you preferred insulting nomenclature may be), I nearly always observe formula feeders who are absolutely antagonistic towards nursing moms, demean the importance of nursing, and call anyone who nurses past their own close-minded determination of an appropriate period of time freaks. You only further diminish your credibility by broadening your insults to include organic gardening, etc. Why do you have so much hate in your heart for people who do something different? It just seems so defensive.

I'll be perfectly honest that I was making a point at this woman's expense, pointing out her nursing shortcomings as I see them. I wouldn't have opened my mouth about it, though, had she not so aggressively attacked what I do (nursing my two year old, sometimes for "comfort") without stopping to think about how *I* might feel. It's not okay to be so nasty. You may think it is because you're right, but you're not. It's not okay.

Ah well. People are who they are, and many of you are nasty pieces of work.

For the record, I can guarantee I won't be nursing my kiddo at 7 years, but if it works for a handful of families, it's okay with me. (Of course, it doesn't have to be okay with me, or any of you, for them to do it, and thank goodness for that). Fortunately, your opinions about this don't matter, so I suppose I shouldn't be wasting my time trying to educate you. Blech.

What an awful judgmental cow you are.

[Anonymous]

I immediately started laughing in shock when I watched the video, but when I got to the end I decided I think it's kind of sweet. I would not make those choices for my family, but I can respect that they seem relatively happy with their choices.
I love the little girl on the swing describing breast being better than mango. Truly fascinating.

[Anonymous]

I don't think it is wrong because it is sexual in that sense - I agree with the psoters who said it has nothing to do with the child and everything to do with the mother's needs. Holding your child back from progressing developmentally is wrong. I would feel the same way if the 7 year old was still using a highchair, wearing a bib, having monm changer her diapers, using a paci and bottle - so it isn't the breastfeeding - it is trying to keep the child as a baby who needs you, depends on you for basic needs . Job as parents is to help kids grow up not keep them babies forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I immediately started laughing in shock when I watched the video, but when I got to the end I decided I think it's kind of sweet. I would not make those choices for my family, but I can respect that they seem relatively happy with their choices.
I love the little girl on the swing describing breast being better than mango. Truly fascinating.

for a f-ing therapist!

[Anonymous]

OK - fair enough, as I do buy organic as much as possible!

Coo-koo is right on, sister!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen this clip again and again - and each time I'm still shocked by the situation.

My son is 3; he did indeed self-wean at 6 months. My daughter is 7. I nursed her for three months. I look at her and cannot IMAGINE pulling out my breast for her comfort. It's absolutely disgusting. The mother in the clip is abusive, in my opinion.

As one PP said, we have clean water and a fairly good food supply. There's no need to go to these lengths to justify extended breastfeeding.

PP, this is sad and I mean that truly. If you want to be more successful nursing your next possibly child (if you have another), I hope you will consider examining your attitudes and misperceptions about nursing. They may be contributing to your stumbling blocks here.

oh Jesus

Go munch on your granola and tend to your organic garden.

My kids are just fine - and two's the limit, thank you.

Don't insult organic gardners by lumping us with this nutcase, please!

Seh is a special breed of coo-koo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it is wrong because it is sexual in that sense - I agree with the psoters who said it has nothing to do with the child and everything to do with the mother's needs. Holding your child back from progressing developmentally is wrong. I would feel the same way if the 7 year old was still using a highchair, wearing a bib, having monm changer her diapers, using a paci and bottle - so it isn't the breastfeeding - it is trying to keep the child as a baby who needs you, depends on you for basic needs . Job as parents is to help kids grow up not keep them babies forever.

I really don't see it this way at all. I am nursing my 16-month-old son and I agree with some of the PPs who say it's the right decision for the family.

Us? I will let my son decide for the most part. I don't really see myself nursing him much past school age (i.e., 5 years old) but who knows? I know it won't be frequent by then, but if he still finds comfort in it, then I just might. Although I would never say breastfeeding has been "easy" or "comfortable" for me, I do appreciate the benefits (both physical and emotional) for my son and our relationship enough to persevere even when it has been tough (and there are still times at 16 months when it is tough for me!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've seen this clip again and again - and each time I'm still shocked by the situation.

My son is 3; he did indeed self-wean at 6 months. My daughter is 7. I nursed her for three months. I look at her and cannot IMAGINE pulling out my breast for her comfort. It's absolutely disgusting. The mother in the clip is abusive, in my opinion.

As one PP said, we have clean water and a fairly good food supply. There's no need to go to these lengths to justify extended breastfeeding.

PP, this is sad and I mean that truly. If you want to be more successful nursing your next possibly child (if you have another), I hope you will consider examining your attitudes and misperceptions about nursing. They may be contributing to your stumbling blocks here.

Why do you think she was not successful? Ever occur to you that some women don't feel they have to nurse longer than a few days, weeks, or months?

She is not asking for nursing advice, she is just commenting on the very obvious surrounding these bizarre behavior of putting a breast in a grown child's mouth

The woman in the video was not asking for weaning advice, or advice on what a bunch of harpy housewives think is "normal," either. You have a right to pontificate, and I have the right to observe that a woman who thinks "pulling out her breast for her daughters comfort" is "disgusting" and she just "can't imagine" it, who also did not breastfeed past six months, probably has some hang ups that contributed to the truncated nursing relationship she had with her children.

So let me get this straight. It's not okay for breastfeeding advocates to encourage longer nursing, (even the benign, one year length recommended as the minimum by every reputable health organization out there), but it is perfectly okay for those creeped out by breastfeeding, generally, to pontificate on how abusive it is to breastfeed past a year or so?

Such a sad double standard. I've been part of the DCUM community for a long time. As much as formula feeders claim to be subject to breastfeeding zealots (or nazis, or lactivists, or whatever you preferred insulting nomenclature may be), I nearly always observe formula feeders who are absolutely antagonistic towards nursing moms, demean the importance of nursing, and call anyone who nurses past their own close-minded determination of an appropriate period of time freaks. You only further diminish your credibility by broadening your insults to include organic gardening, etc. Why do you have so much hate in your heart for people who do something different? It just seems so defensive.

I'll be perfectly honest that I was making a point at this woman's expense, pointing out her nursing shortcomings as I see them. I wouldn't have opened my mouth about it, though, had she not so aggressively attacked what I do (nursing my two year old, sometimes for "comfort") without stopping to think about how *I* might feel. It's not okay to be so nasty. You may think it is because you're right, but you're not. It's not okay.

Ah well. People are who they are, and many of you are nasty pieces of work.

For the record, I can guarantee I won't be nursing my kiddo at 7 years, but if it works for a handful of families, it's okay with me. (Of course, it doesn't have to be okay with me, or any of you, for them to do it, and thank goodness for that). Fortunately, your opinions about this don't matter, so I suppose I shouldn't be wasting my time trying to educate you. Blech.

way too long. Please no manifestos-thanks!