Video Finish

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Same (also PV/summer league official), + 1. Every once in a blue moon — very rarely!! — I have been on deck when an official flat out got it wrong, would not back down, and video evidence would have been useful. This happened in a summer league Divisionals several years back when one of the top swimmers swam a clean race, but the referee marked the wrong swimmer as false starting. Video evidence showed the referee got the wrong lane, but the summer league (leaving this vague on purpose) said it was too late. I was on deck and it was clear the referee got the wrong lane, but nothing was done. The swimmer probably would have won All Stars. It’s summer league, though. So really, it’s not a huge deal. That same swimmer will likely still be successful in years to come.

False starts require dual confirmation from both the Referee and Starter. They both would have to get it wrong.

That's true, but it sounds like whoever filled out the DQ slip put the wrong lane. This happened at metros several years ago and the wrong relay was DQ'd. Clear video evidence disputed it, yet the DQ stood. That's just how swimming works except at the highest levels, so certainly OP shouldn't use video evidence to dispute a time at time trials

[Anonymous]

OP’s kid has an entire season to improve and come in first. This seems to be more about OP.

[Anonymous]

I'm assuming this a 8u parent

[Anonymous]

So this is just for an A meet spot, not for 1st place? As in, your kid came in 4th and you’re going to this level? SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this is just for an A meet spot, not for 1st place? As in, your kid came in 4th and you’re going to this level? SMH.

imagine doing this over time trials? Have teams even had time trials yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suppose a coveted A-meet spot was on the line and you had just happened to have recorded your DD finishing and touching the wall first before the swimmer who had a recorded time .01 ahead (though the video showed the other swimmer actually above the water and not near the wall at the time. She looked like she might have touched earlier but had to go through a whole cycle. What would you do if anything? Only thing I can think of is maybe showing the coach. Or maybe just share it with my buddies on the team and chuckle about A-meet people.

The “chuckle about A-meet people” is my favorite part of this post given OP wants to show a coach her video as proof that her kid should be in the, wait for it……A meet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:talking about timing error... for club swimming, i knew one of my son's team mates got gifted 10 seconds in one event, maybe because the people entering times made an error... i am pretty sure the kid's parents knew it, the kid knew it too... with this mistaken time, the kid qualified invitational or championship events.... i don't see anybody has a problem with it, including coaches.... the kid kept competing those qualifying events, only finished last every time...

This same meet featured a swimmer that recorded a time 12seconds faster than the MCSL. Record, I'm pretty sure it was an oops, maybe a wrong birthday or something.

[Anonymous]

I once videoed my daughter in a relay. The video showed the girl in the next lane entering while her teammate was still at least 5 feet from the wall. There was no DQ in the race.

What did I do? I showed the video to my wife and we laughed. It's summer swim. It's imperfect. That's all part of the fun of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this is just for an A meet spot, not for 1st place? As in, your kid came in 4th and you’re going to this level? SMH.

imagine doing this over time trials? Have teams even had time trials yet?

If you look in MM, you can see Colonial League and a few leagues in Maryland have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Same (also PV/summer league official), + 1. Every once in a blue moon — very rarely!! — I have been on deck when an official flat out got it wrong, would not back down, and video evidence would have been useful. This happened in a summer league Divisionals several years back when one of the top swimmers swam a clean race, but the referee marked the wrong swimmer as false starting. Video evidence showed the referee got the wrong lane, but the summer league (leaving this vague on purpose) said it was too late. I was on deck and it was clear the referee got the wrong lane, but nothing was done. The swimmer probably would have won All Stars. It’s summer league, though. So really, it’s not a huge deal. That same swimmer will likely still be successful in years to come.

False starts require dual confirmation from both the Referee and Starter. They both would have to get it wrong.

That's true, but it sounds like whoever filled out the DQ slip put the wrong lane. This happened at metros several years ago and the wrong relay was DQ'd. Clear video evidence disputed it, yet the DQ stood. That's just how swimming works except at the highest levels, so certainly OP shouldn't use video evidence to dispute a time at time trials

If true, the coaches must have botched the protest procedure. In such a case, video evidence would not be needed if the coach were competent. Assuming the ref is not totally corrupt.

Though at metros I guess they don't have to answer to anyone and may (or may not) lack a robust protest policy. Also a relay at metros if not a top 5 is unlikely to be important to anyone. Also, no meet has more room for improvement than metros. The venue is way too small and remote. The weather is invariably the most frigid and windy and awful day of winter. The internet signal sucks in and near the facility. It really has almost no redeeming qualities and I say this after 4 years of driving my kid to that remote outpost.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Same (also PV/summer league official), + 1. Every once in a blue moon — very rarely!! — I have been on deck when an official flat out got it wrong, would not back down, and video evidence would have been useful. This happened in a summer league Divisionals several years back when one of the top swimmers swam a clean race, but the referee marked the wrong swimmer as false starting. Video evidence showed the referee got the wrong lane, but the summer league (leaving this vague on purpose) said it was too late. I was on deck and it was clear the referee got the wrong lane, but nothing was done. The swimmer probably would have won All Stars. It’s summer league, though. So really, it’s not a huge deal. That same swimmer will likely still be successful in years to come.

False starts require dual confirmation from both the Referee and Starter. They both would have to get it wrong.

That's true, but it sounds like whoever filled out the DQ slip put the wrong lane. This happened at metros several years ago and the wrong relay was DQ'd. Clear video evidence disputed it, yet the DQ stood. That's just how swimming works except at the highest levels, so certainly OP shouldn't use video evidence to dispute a time at time trials

This is actually easy to fix and the DQ would not stand because they would go back to the starter and deck ref paperwork to confirm that the right lane was written down on the slip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:talking about timing error... for club swimming, i knew one of my son's team mates got gifted 10 seconds in one event, maybe because the people entering times made an error... i am pretty sure the kid's parents knew it, the kid knew it too... with this mistaken time, the kid qualified invitational or championship events.... i don't see anybody has a problem with it, including coaches.... the kid kept competing those qualifying events, only finished last every time...

+1. I have seen that happened as well. There was no time from the touchpad, they used the timer's time. Somewhere along the way, someone wrote incorrectly on the paper or it was entered incorrectly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Suppose a coveted A-meet spot was on the line and you had just happened to have recorded your DD finishing and touching the wall first before the swimmer who had a recorded time .01 ahead (though the video showed the other swimmer actually above the water and not near the wall at the time. She looked like she might have touched earlier but had to go through a whole cycle. What would you do if anything? Only thing I can think of is maybe showing the coach. Or maybe just share it with my buddies on the team and chuckle about A-meet people.

There are 3 timers per lane and the middle time is the one used so you are essentially saying that all 3 timers got it wrong….orrrr maybe your kid did actually get 2nd….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suppose a coveted A-meet spot was on the line and you had just happened to have recorded your DD finishing and touching the wall first before the swimmer who had a recorded time .01 ahead (though the video showed the other swimmer actually above the water and not near the wall at the time. She looked like she might have touched earlier but had to go through a whole cycle. What would you do if anything? Only thing I can think of is maybe showing the coach. Or maybe just share it with my buddies on the team and chuckle about A-meet people.

There are 3 timers per lane and the middle time is the one used so you are essentially saying that all 3 timers got it wrong….orrrr maybe your kid did actually get 2nd….

I was a timer one lane over, on occasion I have recorded a discrepancy of up to a second between the other two timers in an unrelated event. Some timers just weren't paying attention very much. I'd say for the naive timer, 1/100 of a second is much less than you could reasonably expect in precision. I also had to only record two times on a number of occasions the one timer held it up and I couldn't see it, too low with glare, then cleared immediately without looking at it. Another the starter started the time before we could all three record the next time. This lady just didn't seem to know how to say numbers in English. One sixen six no seven tworee two no three<- had no idea what she was saying.

But keep reaching for an excuse for why your swimmer deserves that time trial time for all summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:talking about timing error... for club swimming, i knew one of my son's team mates got gifted 10 seconds in one event, maybe because the people entering times made an error... i am pretty sure the kid's parents knew it, the kid knew it too... with this mistaken time, the kid qualified invitational or championship events.... i don't see anybody has a problem with it, including coaches.... the kid kept competing those qualifying events, only finished last every time...

+1. I have seen that happened as well. There was no time from the touchpad, they used the timer's time. Somewhere along the way, someone wrote incorrectly on the paper or it was entered incorrectly.

Yes. It’s funny though