Video Finish

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Suppose a coveted A-meet spot was on the line and you had just happened to have recorded your DD finishing and touching the wall first before the swimmer who had a recorded time .01 ahead (though the video showed the other swimmer actually above the water and not near the wall at the time. She looked like she might have touched earlier but had to go through a whole cycle. What would you do if anything? Only thing I can think of is maybe showing the coach. Or maybe just share it with my buddies on the team and chuckle about A-meet people.

There are 3 timers per lane and the middle time is the one used so you are essentially saying that all 3 timers got it wrong….orrrr maybe your kid did actually get 2nd….

I was a timer one lane over, on occasion I have recorded a discrepancy of up to a second between the other two timers in an unrelated event. Some timers just weren't paying attention very much. I'd say for the naive timer, 1/100 of a second is much less than you could reasonably expect in precision. I also had to only record two times on a number of occasions the one timer held it up and I couldn't see it, too low with glare, then cleared immediately without looking at it. Another the starter started the time before we could all three record the next time. This lady just didn't seem to know how to say numbers in English. One sixen six no seven tworee two no three<- had no idea what she was saying.

But keep reaching for an excuse for why your swimmer deserves that time trial time for all summer.

My pool’s meets are not even particularly well run, but we have never had any issues like this at all. We had one timer not paying enough attention, with inconsistent times. She was relieved of her stopwatch. There are protocols to follow, and it sounds like your pool doesn’t follow any of them.

This is a problem with your team reps/ chief timer/ table workers and down the line.

-Any times over .3/.4 (I forget which) consistently off are supposed to be monitored by the table workers.
-Timers should not clear their watches until instructed to do so.
-If you can’t read a stopwatch, you should be asking kids their names and someone else should write the times down

[Anonymous]

Our pool had a similar DQ issue during an A meet last year. It was a stroke that requires a two-hand touch during the turn. The video clearly showed one swimmer come to the wall, both hands out of the water and firmly planted on the wall, then the turn. Next swimmer came in, one hand grazed the wall during the turn while the other hand flailed through the air. Clear as day which swimmer missed the two-hand touch.

S&T wrote down the wrong lane. Team rep challenged it with the video, but the ref wouldn't change it. Two-hand swimmer lived with the DQ. Oh well ... she won it the following week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:S&T wrote down the wrong lane. Team rep challenged it with the video, but the ref wouldn't change it. Two-hand swimmer lived with the DQ. Oh well ... she won it the following week.

Unfortunately, this was the correct action. As noted above, referees are instructed to not rely on video evidence.

[Anonymous]

You are all nuts to give so much care to something so pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our pool had a similar DQ issue during an A meet last year. It was a stroke that requires a two-hand touch during the turn. The video clearly showed one swimmer come to the wall, both hands out of the water and firmly planted on the wall, then the turn. Next swimmer came in, one hand grazed the wall during the turn while the other hand flailed through the air. Clear as day which swimmer missed the two-hand touch.

S&T wrote down the wrong lane. Team rep challenged it with the video, but the ref wouldn't change it. Two-hand swimmer lived with the DQ. Oh well ... she won it the following week.

Do you know how many calls are missed or mistaken by refs in kids' team sports? A lot. This is like that. Human error is just part of the deal. It stinks when your kid is on the losing end of it, but it's just something that is unfortunately going to be part of the deal unless or until we have robots/AI doing these jobs. And I don't think we want that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:talking about timing error... for club swimming, i knew one of my son's team mates got gifted 10 seconds in one event, maybe because the people entering times made an error... i am pretty sure the kid's parents knew it, the kid knew it too... with this mistaken time, the kid qualified invitational or championship events.... i don't see anybody has a problem with it, including coaches.... the kid kept competing those qualifying events, only finished last every time...

The case where I think bringing video to the coach makes sense is if it’s your own kid who, through an egregious data error, shaves 5-10 seconds they don’t deserve. I wouldn’t want my kid to lose a couple years worth of excitement improving their PR gradually just because a time was recorded wrong (I know, we could track it ourselves but I’d rather it was scrubbed from the record)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our pool had a similar DQ issue during an A meet last year. It was a stroke that requires a two-hand touch during the turn. The video clearly showed one swimmer come to the wall, both hands out of the water and firmly planted on the wall, then the turn. Next swimmer came in, one hand grazed the wall during the turn while the other hand flailed through the air. Clear as day which swimmer missed the two-hand touch.

S&T wrote down the wrong lane. Team rep challenged it with the video, but the ref wouldn't change it. Two-hand swimmer lived with the DQ. Oh well ... she won it the following week.

Do you know how many calls are missed or mistaken by refs in kids' team sports? A lot. This is like that. Human error is just part of the deal. It stinks when your kid is on the losing end of it, but it's just something that is unfortunately going to be part of the deal unless or until we have robots/AI doing these jobs. And I don't think we want that.

PP here - exactly. My point in telling that story is that it happens all the time, it's not something to get upset over. It's just part of the deal in playing sports - sometimes you're on the wrong end of a bad call. When my kids complain about a bad call, I remind them of how often they've also benefited from a wrong call - it all evens out in the end.

If we forced refs to consider videos after the fact, they'd be flooded with videos of every single race. We need to keep things moving, and that means living with the call on the deck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are all nuts to give so much care to something so pointless.

These are the people who still swaddle children when they are sixteen.