Superintendent spending $70M for developers

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Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

They asked them to leave 15 years ago. Then let MCPS build an entire EV charging station compound.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

They asked them to leave 15 years ago. Then let MCPS build an entire EV charging station compound.

This is crazy to expect them to move all that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

They asked them to leave 15 years ago. Then let MCPS build an entire EV charging station compound.

Yeah that's really dumb. Still not MCPS's land. Taylor is not giving any money to developers. The county is allocating funding to move the bus depot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

They asked them to leave 15 years ago. Then let MCPS build an entire EV charging station compound.

Yeah that's really dumb. Still not MCPS's land. Taylor is not giving any money to developers. The county is allocating funding to move the bus depot.

But the County can’t tell Taylor how to spend education funding. The decision to use $70M for bus depots instead of HVAC repair or replacement is entirely Taylor’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

They asked them to leave 15 years ago. Then let MCPS build an entire EV charging station compound.

Yeah that's really dumb. Still not MCPS's land. Taylor is not giving any money to developers. The county is allocating funding to move the bus depot.

But the County can’t tell Taylor how to spend education funding. The decision to use $70M for bus depots instead of HVAC repair or replacement is entirely Taylor’s.

The CIP is different from the operating budget. The council does make these decisions. That being said, certainly Taylor would have raised a stink about this tradeoff if he didn't agree with it. The reality is they need to put the buses somewhere though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn't Taylor's idea, this was a county council priority, since that bus depot is right next to a Metro station.

Then let the developers pay to move the depot. Taylor has decided to use MCPS Capital Budget money.

Gross! Yet Taylor is targeting to cut social workers, english teaching assistants, special ed teachers and lots of other positions who help students. The more I hear about Taylor, the less I like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This wasn't Taylor's idea, this was a county council priority, since that bus depot is right next to a Metro station.

Then let the developers pay to move the depot. Taylor has decided to use MCPS Capital Budget money.

Gross! Yet Taylor is targeting to cut social workers, english teaching assistants, special ed teachers and lots of other positions who help students. The more I hear about Taylor, the less I like.

This has nothing to do with the bus depot. Taylor isn't involved in the deal with the developers. Developers don't give things for free. If they pay $70 million for the bus depot then they wouldn't be paying for something else. Land swaps only work if the developer has land suitable for a depot and that same developer wants to develop the shady grove site

[Anonymous]

The Wootton ES #7 site is a non-starter. The access in and out is all wrong. Plus the bus drivers who don't have a car can't get out there and even if they do have a car, not sure if the 12 acres will be big enough. Access in and out is bad. No logistical sense at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's be clear here.

We can legitimately argue about the appropriate location of a bus depot. But this isn't Taylor choosing to spend money on developers. It is not, at all.

This is MCPS having no choice to pay for a bus depot elsewhere because the county is no longer allowing it to remain at the current location.

Let's be clear here.

Taylor chose to spend $70M in THIS budget.

Taylor chose to hide the spending deep in the documents so that the Board of Education would vote on it without any public notice, opportunity to be heard or discussion of feasibility.

The search for a new bus depot has been gong on for over 15 years. There is no emergency that forced poor Taylor to hide this $70M outlay in the MCPS Capital Budget. He did that all by himself.

Taylor has also established a clear disdain for any public process, feasibility studies, transportation studies or data analysis in any of this plans.

DP

I agree with you that Taylor often acts with disdain for the community and this is certainly an example of that. However, the need for a new bus depot is real. The fact that the search has been going on for so long underscores the fact that a publicly owned property located close to transit has been underutilized for a very long time. That's really wasteful.

The issue is nobody wants a bus depot near them. It has nothing to do with Taylor spending money on developers, which is just false. The money is for space to park buses.

The money is ONLY being spent to appease developers. MCPS already has a bus depot for school buses.

No, the buses are essentially squatting on county-owned land that the county wants to use for another purpose.

LOL the county gave MCPS permits to build massive charging stations on the property.

Which cost $ to build, so why build it if it’s only going to be used for a limited amount of time? Seems wasteful! Permits don’t equal free construction. Everyone on here claims to be a financial watchdog but not sure they really are

That does seem dumb and also irrelevant to the fact that the county owns the land, not MCPS, and has asked MCPS to leave after letting them use it for free for years.

They asked them to leave 15 years ago. Then let MCPS build an entire EV charging station compound.

Yeah that's really dumb. Still not MCPS's land. Taylor is not giving any money to developers. The county is allocating funding to move the bus depot.

But the County can’t tell Taylor how to spend education funding. The decision to use $70M for bus depots instead of HVAC repair or replacement is entirely Taylor’s.

The CIP is different from the operating budget. The council does make these decisions. That being said, certainly Taylor would have raised a stink about this tradeoff if he didn't agree with it. The reality is they need to put the buses somewhere though.

Not true. Taylor snuck this in the Capital Budget and got the Board of Education to approve it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Wootton ES #7 site is a non-starter. The access in and out is all wrong. Plus the bus drivers who don't have a car can't get out there and even if they do have a car, not sure if the 12 acres will be big enough. Access in and out is bad. No logistical sense at all.

And it's smack in the middle of a residential neighborhood on environmentally protected land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This wasn't Taylor's idea, this was a county council priority, since that bus depot is right next to a Metro station.

Then let the developers pay to move the depot. Taylor has decided to use MCPS Capital Budget money.

Gross! Yet Taylor is targeting to cut social workers, english teaching assistants, special ed teachers and lots of other positions who help students. The more I hear about Taylor, the less I like.

This has nothing to do with the bus depot. Taylor isn't involved in the deal with the developers. Developers don't give things for free. If they pay $70 million for the bus depot then they wouldn't be paying for something else. Land swaps only work if the developer has land suitable for a depot and that same developer wants to develop the shady grove site

Oh goody--i'm sure it will do MCPS a lot of good that it allocates its Capital Budget so that the developers can build a new condo complex, while declaring no school age children will live in it and schools can become more overcrowded with less funding allocated to them.