When do you leave the sinking ship

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where you going?

This. There's really nowhere to go, unless you already have dual citizenship somewhere. Anywhere that will take just anybody has a set of reasons why, the politics of most other places are nearly as messy as ours (some are worse, a few are marginally better without guarantee of that continuing much longer). Even with financial means, it's not that easy.

I'm committed to staying here and making myself a problem, should the need arise. If everyone who can fight chooses to flee instead, well, there goes America.

I'm going to Canada. We need our closest ally to remain that way. The world needs to know not all Americans are MAGA, so there's cultural preservation too. There are many other Americans like us engaging in diaspora activism, providing financial support and awareness outside of the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny all the elites in DC leave every chance they get.

Why is DC and the close suburbs such an undesirable place to spend time during the Holidays?

It's not like they don't control just about every lever.

Are you just learning about the existence of vacations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking about this too. My mind is like this “where are my keys. Should we leave the country? Need to pick up the kids from school. I wonder if I get get a passport in Ireland? Should I paint my living room or don’t bother because we won’t be staying here…”

THIS EXACTLY

[Anonymous]

I'm European and I'm waiting for my green card. You think it's great elsewhere in the world? Not really, economically speaking. The US is still the richest country by far, and the one with the most economic opportunities. OK, most countries don't have an absolutely crazy leadership like the US does right now... but I am confident that the next elections are going to be held correctly and that there will be a changing of the guard to someone a lot more reasonable (right or left, who cares - just someone SANE).

So hang in there, people. Grassroots movements is what you need to do right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Naturalized citizen here. Sadly, the US has no history of meaningful civil protest, except for the Vietnam Era, and even that was not successful. So people have no clue how to protest, and their first thought is leaving.

NP. Did you miss all of 2020 somehow?

[Anonymous]

As Greenland goes, so too the future of the US. We will be hated even if feared. Of these, I'd actually rather not be hated. Without allies, without NATO, without morality on our side, good luck making a stand PP - this country is not ours it's our government who owns it. It hasn't been the people running it for decades. Anyone telling you different is lying or a fool. There is no actual democracy. Socialist state yes but democracy + capitalism is not ever ever ever ever going to be a democracy. The money will run the govt. 1000000% of the time - be logical not emotional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cabo Verde. Warm. Stable. Far away. At least this is what ChatGPT has recommended…

Seriously? There are more Cape Verdeans living outside the country than inside. It is more stable than some of the other lusophone countries, but it is very isolated and the landscape is fairly denuded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm European and I'm waiting for my green card. You think it's great elsewhere in the world? Not really, economically speaking. The US is still the richest country by far, and the one with the most economic opportunities. OK, most countries don't have an absolutely crazy leadership like the US does right now... but I am confident that the next elections are going to be held correctly and that there will be a changing of the guard to someone a lot more reasonable (right or left, who cares - just someone SANE).

So hang in there, people. Grassroots movements is what you need to do right now.

+1

[Anonymous]

head to Great Falls VA, or Mclean VA or Bethesda VA.

everyone is walled off from each other, fully armed in VA, and anonymous.

No one cares about anyone but themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cabo Verde. Warm. Stable. Far away. At least this is what ChatGPT has recommended…

DC resident here. F U OP! You privileged POS.

[Anonymous]

The irony is that if the us does become stronger and more national, then anywhere else you flee to will be worse because the US no longer subsidizes their military or medical costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As Greenland goes, so too the future of the US. We will be hated even if feared. Of these, I'd actually rather not be hated. Without allies, without NATO, without morality on our side, good luck making a stand PP - this country is not ours it's our government who owns it. It hasn't been the people running it for decades. Anyone telling you different is lying or a fool. There is no actual democracy. Socialist state yes but democracy + capitalism is not ever ever ever ever going to be a democracy. The money will run the govt. 1000000% of the time - be logical not emotional.

Greenland is a such a sideshow. The characterization of an invasion is incorrect because there is no force there defending Greenland so no fight is possible and it’s already NATO territory. A deal will be signed where the US explores adding bases, Trump declares victory, does a little dance, and this will fade into the background where it belongs. The Europeans want this because they want keep the status quo of US troops in harms way in Europe in case the Russians show up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm European and I'm waiting for my green card. You think it's great elsewhere in the world? Not really, economically speaking. The US is still the richest country by far, and the one with the most economic opportunities. OK, most countries don't have an absolutely crazy leadership like the US does right now... but I am confident that the next elections are going to be held correctly and that there will be a changing of the guard to someone a lot more reasonable (right or left, who cares - just someone SANE).

So hang in there, people. Grassroots movements is what you need to do right now.

What has europe ever done for the US?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The irony is that if the us does become stronger and more national, then anywhere else you flee to will be worse because the US no longer subsidizes their military or medical costs.

There is no chance that the US becomes stronger.

[Anonymous]

You people are snivelling cowards! Donald Trump and his MAGA Maggot administration have not won! Get off your feather pillows and join demonstrations against trump and ICE! To all you Chicken Littles the SKY IS NOT FALLING!

If you are unwilling to fight for your country then, by all means, pack up and go but don't expect to be welcomed back because those of us willing to fight for our country do not want or need whining cowards.