Ford dropping F-150 EV in $20 billion pivot back to gasoline

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Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

[Anonymous]

EVs will be remembered as an interesting diversion in automotive history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

You're correct, electric F150's is not the way right now. F150 owners are still getting used to the idea that Ford are making them some with 6 cylinder engines, they want their trucks to be 8 cylinders, for the sound and the power.

There's nothing wrong with electric trucks, but it will take many years for a majority of truckers to come around to the idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

You're correct, electric F150's is not the way right now. F150 owners are still getting used to the idea that Ford are making them some with 6 cylinder engines, they want their trucks to be 8 cylinders, for the sound and the power.

There's nothing wrong with electric trucks, but it will take many years for a majority of truckers to come around to the idea.

Other than having terrible range when towing and extended time charging. Depending on the size/aerodynamics of the trailer, a F150 Lightning might only go 100 miles compared to 350 for a gas/hybrid F150. That’s a huge difference. You also often need to unhitch the trailer to charge; another huge PITA since you can pull through a gas station with a trailer. So, if you’re going to use it for towing, there’s a lot wrong with an electric truck. The majority of F150s sold have turbo V6; the coyote V8 is less than a quarter of sales.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

You're correct, electric F150's is not the way right now. F150 owners are still getting used to the idea that Ford are making them some with 6 cylinder engines, they want their trucks to be 8 cylinders, for the sound and the power.

There's nothing wrong with electric trucks, but it will take many years for a majority of truckers to come around to the idea.

Other than having terrible range when towing and extended time charging. Depending on the size/aerodynamics of the trailer, a F150 Lightning might only go 100 miles compared to 350 for a gas/hybrid F150. That’s a huge difference. You also often need to unhitch the trailer to charge; another huge PITA since you can pull through a gas station with a trailer. So, if you’re going to use it for towing, there’s a lot wrong with an electric truck. The majority of F150s sold have turbo V6; the coyote V8 is less than a quarter of sales.

PP here. I figure that people are buying electric trucks, are not really buying them for their towing power. They are buying them because they like trucks and feel that they are being good people by buying them. I have a coworker that has leased one and he doesn't have anything to tow.

Do you know a lot about trucks? If so, I would like your thoughts on the Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost. I hear that they have plastic oil pans that are prone to leaking. I do like Chevy Silverados too, but I can't get my mind around them making a 4 cylinder full size truck.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

You're correct, electric F150's is not the way right now. F150 owners are still getting used to the idea that Ford are making them some with 6 cylinder engines, they want their trucks to be 8 cylinders, for the sound and the power.

There's nothing wrong with electric trucks, but it will take many years for a majority of truckers to come around to the idea.

Other than having terrible range when towing and extended time charging. Depending on the size/aerodynamics of the trailer, a F150 Lightning might only go 100 miles compared to 350 for a gas/hybrid F150. That’s a huge difference. You also often need to unhitch the trailer to charge; another huge PITA since you can pull through a gas station with a trailer. So, if you’re going to use it for towing, there’s a lot wrong with an electric truck. The majority of F150s sold have turbo V6; the coyote V8 is less than a quarter of sales.

PP here. I figure that people are buying electric trucks, are not really buying them for their towing power. They are buying them because they like trucks and feel that they are being good people by buying them. I have a coworker that has leased one and he doesn't have anything to tow.

Do you know a lot about trucks? If so, I would like your thoughts on the Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost. I hear that they have plastic oil pans that are prone to leaking. I do like Chevy Silverados too, but I can't get my mind around them making a 4 cylinder full size truck.

That’s reasonable. If I didn’t tow an electric truck would work very well for me.
I think the 2.7 ecoboost is probably the best engine in the f150 line. It’s plenty powerful and most issues have been worked out. I think most of these oil pan issues were taken care of with a gasket change. The issues I see are generally with the Gen1 2.7. Know several people with rock solid 2.7s with lots of miles. A friend of mine has a 3.5 getting near 300k with no issues.

I also question a turbo 4 in a full size truck, but it’s a 2.7 liter; same size as the smaller eco boost. It’s fairly new, so it’s hard to know for sure about reliability. I read mixed reviews, no personal experience with it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

You're correct, electric F150's is not the way right now. F150 owners are still getting used to the idea that Ford are making them some with 6 cylinder engines, they want their trucks to be 8 cylinders, for the sound and the power.

There's nothing wrong with electric trucks, but it will take many years for a majority of truckers to come around to the idea.

Other than having terrible range when towing and extended time charging. Depending on the size/aerodynamics of the trailer, a F150 Lightning might only go 100 miles compared to 350 for a gas/hybrid F150. That’s a huge difference. You also often need to unhitch the trailer to charge; another huge PITA since you can pull through a gas station with a trailer. So, if you’re going to use it for towing, there’s a lot wrong with an electric truck. The majority of F150s sold have turbo V6; the coyote V8 is less than a quarter of sales.

PP here. I figure that people are buying electric trucks, are not really buying them for their towing power. They are buying them because they like trucks and feel that they are being good people by buying them. I have a coworker that has leased one and he doesn't have anything to tow.

Do you know a lot about trucks? If so, I would like your thoughts on the Ford F150 2.7 Ecoboost. I hear that they have plastic oil pans that are prone to leaking. I do like Chevy Silverados too, but I can't get my mind around them making a 4 cylinder full size truck.

That’s reasonable. If I didn’t tow an electric truck would work very well for me.
I think the 2.7 ecoboost is probably the best engine in the f150 line. It’s plenty powerful and most issues have been worked out. I think most of these oil pan issues were taken care of with a gasket change. The issues I see are generally with the Gen1 2.7. Know several people with rock solid 2.7s with lots of miles. A friend of mine has a 3.5 getting near 300k with no issues.

I also question a turbo 4 in a full size truck, but it’s a 2.7 liter; same size as the smaller eco boost. It’s fairly new, so it’s hard to know for sure about reliability. I read mixed reviews, no personal experience with it.

Thanks for your response. I'm leaning towards a used 2.7 Ecoboost. I was at one point favoring the 3.5's, but I have read and heard that the 2.7 is a better built engine and also doesn't have as many cam phaser issues as the 3.5. I don't have anything to tow either. Once in a blue moon a might rent a U-Haul trailer, but that's it.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden tried to have a defacto mandate to produce more EVs. The manufacturers responded by investing more in the production of EVs. Now that Trump is in charge he doesn't give a shit about climate and loves oil so he undid everything Biden did (not that I completely agreed with that approach either). Trump doesn't want Chinese stuff here. Trump doesn't want China making any money much less on EVs.
Trump is an idiot.
Everything he thinks is the wrong way.

"Trump doesn't want Chinese stuff here. Trump doesn't want China making any money much less on EVs. " Direct cause from Trump policies that suck.

Thank you MAGA fools.

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Anonymous wrote:EVs will be remembered as an interesting diversion in automotive history.

No it will be remembered as a smart idea.

And Trump's policies will kill us all.

[Anonymous]

Data centers need all the electricity. Need to switch back to gas for autos.

Global cooling is intensifying

Trump was way ahead of the curve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Data centers need all the electricity. Need to switch back to gas for autos.

Global cooling is intensifying

Trump was way ahead of the curve.

He always is. Long live the ICE!

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Anonymous wrote:Data centers need all the electricity. Need to switch back to gas for autos.

Global cooling is intensifying

Trump was way ahead of the curve.

He always is. Long live the ICE!

As this is the Cars and Transportation section, I hope the ICE you are referring to stands for Internal Combustion Engine?

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Data centers need all the electricity. Need to switch back to gas for autos.

Global cooling is intensifying

Trump was way ahead of the curve.[/quote]

He always is. Long live the ICE![/quote] As this is the Cars and Transportation section, I hope the ICE you are referring to stands for Internal Combustion Engine? [/quote]

Yes of course the internal combustion engine. Let’s face it by the time there is enough nuclear power generation and charging stations to support widespread use of EVs a better solution will have come along.

Major auto manufacturers have seen the light and are returning to ICE production for now. People want to hear the roar of the engine, fill-up in less than 5 minutes and have AC in the summer and heat in the winter without drastically reducing range.

Yes, a small market 10-15% for EVs will exist in the US and maybe as high as 25% world-wide but that is as high as it goes.

But that is what is great about America. It provides an opportunity for new ideas to be tried and eventually be accepted or rejected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Data centers need all the electricity. Need to switch back to gas for autos.

Global cooling is intensifying

Trump was way ahead of the curve.

Global cooling is not intensifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Electric F-150s just isn't the way... maybe someday, but not now.

You're correct, electric F150's is not the way right now. F150 owners are still getting used to the idea that Ford are making them some with 6 cylinder engines, they want their trucks to be 8 cylinders, for the sound and the power.

There's nothing wrong with electric trucks, but it will take many years for a majority of truckers to come around to the idea.

Other than having terrible range when towing and extended time charging. Depending on the size/aerodynamics of the trailer, a F150 Lightning might only go 100 miles compared to 350 for a gas/hybrid F150. That’s a huge difference. You also often need to unhitch the trailer to charge; another huge PITA since you can pull through a gas station with a trailer. So, if you’re going to use it for towing, there’s a lot wrong with an electric truck. The majority of F150s sold have turbo V6; the coyote V8 is less than a quarter of sales.

The F150 is the single best selling vehicle in the U.S. most years. Do you think most people buying them are using them to tow? Or do any kind of actual work?