Ford dropping F-150 EV in $20 billion pivot back to gasoline

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Anonymous wrote:Smart move the transition from ICE vehicles will not be to traditional EVs like Teslas but to hydrogen powered vehicles.

It won’t happen as quickly as many would like to see late 2060s or early 2070s but it will eventually happen.

This is ridiculous. Look at the issues with getting charging stations for EVs up and running and multiply those by 1,000 for hydrogen. Not to mention there is only like one model being produced now.

I mean I could see some fleets using hydrogen but it will be forever before consumers are buying them.

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Ford's going to get curb stomped. The future is EVs. Easy to drive, less maintenance. China knows which way the wind is blowing and has heavily invested in EV tech. Everything Trump does cedes more and more power to China.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are refusing to sell EVs these tariffs have to go to zero.

I do understand why republicans will not allow us to buy EVs.

There are high-quality North American made and imported EVs available for you to buy. They are expensive because of R&D and battery costs and low sales volume.

You simply do not want to pay what the cars cost to make.

The best way to help the EV industry is to buy one from a reputable brand. If not interested in a European, American, or Japanese brand, I would choose a Korean brand over a Chinese brand since Korea (like Japan) has focused on 1st World export markets for far longer than China.

Republicans are not anti-EVs as much as pro ICE. They don't want to pay for people to buy them. And they don't value the environment very much if at all. And they are national security-focused. And their voters tend to support domestic jobs and live in areas where EVs aren't very convenient to use
So it's not surprising they aren't helping EVs. Everyone now is saying it's up to the consumers. So if you want an EV industry, buy one.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden tried to have a defacto mandate to produce more EVs. The manufacturers responded by investing more in the production of EVs. Now that Trump is in charge he doesn't give a shit about climate and loves oil so he undid everything Biden did (not that I completely agreed with that approach either). Trump doesn't want Chinese stuff here. Trump doesn't want China making any money much less on EVs. So we get more emissions, less consumer choice and more expensive gas and cars.

Above is completely accurate from my perspective as an automotive industry employee.

Chinese cars do not conform with American safety standards. Their structure and guts are cheaped out. It's like the early days of import cars in America even though they look nice and shiny.

Also, I'm aware nobody white collar has any pity for American manufacturing workers. However, I hope you'll give some thought to to the many social problems created by the loss of good-paying American jobs with benefits to other countries. Also, having domestic manufacturing of complex products is truthfully a major national security issue. You might enjoy your $20K car without an consequences to you personally but in aggregate there might be grave risks and long-term consequences for the broader economy. Cheap, junky products lead to more consumption. Quicker replacements, more trash, etc.

Americans think they are entitled to everything. The best jobs at the highest pay, the newest technology at no increase in price from anywhere in the world, control the world's politics without spending more and ensuring domestic manufacturing capability, etc. But that's not realistic.

If you want to help the electric vehicle industry, just buy an electric vehicle. Believe me, everyone is looking for signs of sustainable consumer interest.

You know nothing about Chinese manufacturing or Chinese EVs. Tesla manufactures the majority of their cars in China. Their cars are cheaper because of superior manufacturing(automation, integrated supply lines, etc). The Chinese will easily surpass US safety standards with a product that is superior to any car made in the US and for 1/2 the cost. China passenger car market is 40% of the world market. The US is only 16% of the market. Now the Chinese are moving in to EV semi trucks.

You are like most people in the industry- totally clueless what is going in the largest car market in the world. China is the global leader in car design and manufacturing. Yet you think they can not meet US safety standards? BDY one car manufacturer in China has 110,000 engineers. Ford has 11,000 worldwide. There are over 300 car manufacturers in China. Chinese cars and EVs meet EU safety standards which are a lot more stringent vs the US

It's easy for you to take cheap shots at me. Relatively few Chinese models are exported to Europe. Especially not lots of the cheaper cars that you would like access to. EU safety standards are fairly similar to US safety standards, but are not harmonized.

It is sad for me that you lack faith in American ingenuity, American engineering, and American manufacturing.

Students from all over the world come to American universities to study STEM here, H1B visa holders want to move here permanently, and Tesla products were designed by Americans/people in America. But you just want to continue the tired narrative of how inferior the domestic industry must be because it doesn't give you personally exactly what you want to buy at the exact low price that you want to pay for it. You are intellectually blinded by your own consumer self-interest and low faith in American workers.

I can assure you that people in the US industry are quite well-informed about China. Most global companies have JVs there. Tesla produces there but is starting to struggle since it doesn't have the funds to keep innovating rapidly. There is a lot of product choice because many startup companies have goverment or private investment similar to Tesla during its early massive money-losing years.

This reads like MAGA PR post.

Actually I'm a well-informed former Obama campaign worker and donor. The person I responded to didn't even spell BYD's name right.

If you think China's so great, feel free to take your life savings and move there. You can undoubtedly buy several Chinese cars with that. Enjoy driving in Shanghai. If you can afford the registration fees.

Meanwhile my Chinese STEM friends are all trying to permanently immigrate because they'd rather live here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they are refusing to sell EVs these tariffs have to go to zero.

I do understand why republicans will not allow us to buy EVs.

When Democrats went after Tesla they killed the EV market.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are refusing to sell EVs these tariffs have to go to zero.

I do understand why republicans will not allow us to buy EVs.

When Democrats went after Tesla they killed the EV market.

Did Democrats go after Tesla?

Or did various consumers decide to stop funding Elon Musk's reign of terror because they didn't agree with his politics?

Elon Musk's craziness was out of control until it started impacting his businesses and he took some notice.

Even Susie Wiles openly commented about it.

None of us can afford to have that kind of billionaire wacko involved in politics on top of what's already going on with elected officials.

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Anonymous wrote:Smart move the transition from ICE vehicles will not be to traditional EVs like Teslas but to hydrogen powered vehicles.

It won’t happen as quickly as many would like to see late 2060s or early 2070s but it will eventually happen.

This is ridiculous. Look at the issues with getting charging stations for EVs up and running and multiply those by 1,000 for hydrogen. Not to mention there is only like one model being produced now.

I mean I could see some fleets using hydrogen but it will be forever before consumers are buying them.

Oil companies will transition to hydrogen production and distribution. Existing gas stations will phase into hydrogen charging stations.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden tried to have a defacto mandate to produce more EVs. The manufacturers responded by investing more in the production of EVs. Now that Trump is in charge he doesn't give a shit about climate and loves oil so he undid everything Biden did (not that I completely agreed with that approach either). Trump doesn't want Chinese stuff here. Trump doesn't want China making any money much less on EVs. So we get more emissions, less consumer choice and more expensive gas and cars.

Above is completely accurate from my perspective as an automotive industry employee.

Chinese cars do not conform with American safety standards. Their structure and guts are cheaped out. It's like the early days of import cars in America even though they look nice and shiny.

Also, I'm aware nobody white collar has any pity for American manufacturing workers. However, I hope you'll give some thought to to the many social problems created by the loss of good-paying American jobs with benefits to other countries. Also, having domestic manufacturing of complex products is truthfully a major national security issue. You might enjoy your $20K car without an consequences to you personally but in aggregate there might be grave risks and long-term consequences for the broader economy. Cheap, junky products lead to more consumption. Quicker replacements, more trash, etc.

Americans think they are entitled to everything. The best jobs at the highest pay, the newest technology at no increase in price from anywhere in the world, control the world's politics without spending more and ensuring domestic manufacturing capability, etc. But that's not realistic.

If you want to help the electric vehicle industry, just buy an electric vehicle. Believe me, everyone is looking for signs of sustainable consumer interest.

Agree with your points on this thread, and no, I am not MAGA. "Let me buy my cheap Chinese EV" just seems so short-sighted. I would not opt for a Kia or Hyundai, either, but if it came down to it, I would buy one over a Chinese vehicle.

[Anonymous]

I have an EV and I would never buy one again. First, it has sent our electric bill through the roof - with electricity going up all the time, I'm not sure it's that much less than gasoline! Second, the car needs a lot more maintenance than a regular gas vehicle, and its all much more expensive. The tires must be replaced 2x a year. The battery hasn't needed replacing yet but when it does, it will cost a fortune. Third, the risk of fire is really scary - once they start burning, it's really hard to put them out. For me, I'm counting the months until I can trade it in on a gas vehicle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an EV and I would never buy one again. First, it has sent our electric bill through the roof - with electricity going up all the time, I'm not sure it's that much less than gasoline! Second, the car needs a lot more maintenance than a regular gas vehicle, and its all much more expensive. The tires must be replaced 2x a year. The battery hasn't needed replacing yet but when it does, it will cost a fortune. Third, the risk of fire is really scary - once they start burning, it's really hard to put them out. For me, I'm counting the months until I can trade it in on a gas vehicle.

Would love to see statistics on how many EV buyers are repeat EV buyers. EVs have been on the market long enough to have those statistics available.

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I have an EV and I would never buy one again. First, it has sent our electric bill through the roof - with electricity going up all the time, I'm not sure it's that much less than gasoline! Second, the car needs a lot more maintenance than a regular gas vehicle, and its all much more expensive. The tires must be replaced 2x a year. The battery hasn't needed replacing yet but when it does, it will cost a fortune. Third, the risk of fire is really scary - once they start burning, it's really hard to put them out. For me, I'm counting the months until I can trade it in on a gas vehicle.


Would love to see statistics on how many EV buyers are repeat EV buyers. EVs have been on the market long enough to have those statistics available.

+1 I have an EV and will never by a gas car again. Of course we have solar panels so don't have an electricity bill that goes up. The car does not need any maintenance (2 years and zero maintenance). We have not replaced the tires yet. Not worried about fire. So far it's a really safe car. We have about 17K miles on it. Maybe the PP is putting on a lot of miles??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have an EV and I would never buy one again. First, it has sent our electric bill through the roof - with electricity going up all the time, I'm not sure it's that much less than gasoline! Second, the car needs a lot more maintenance than a regular gas vehicle, and its all much more expensive. The tires must be replaced 2x a year. The battery hasn't needed replacing yet but when it does, it will cost a fortune. Third, the risk of fire is really scary - once they start burning, it's really hard to put them out. For me, I'm counting the months until I can trade it in on a gas vehicle.

Troll. There is nowhere in the country where it costs more to operate an EV than a gas car. And no one needs to replace tires 2x a year. And virtually no one is replacing the battery. There are tens of thousands of Tesla that are over 10 years old on the road and yet you’d struggle to find a few scattered stories of people replacing the battery.

EV maintenance is a fraction of ICE maintenance because the car doesn’t depends on constant explosions to run. Arguing otherwise is just not serious.

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People should do whatever makes them happy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have an EV and I would never buy one again. First, it has sent our electric bill through the roof - with electricity going up all the time, I'm not sure it's that much less than gasoline! Second, the car needs a lot more maintenance than a regular gas vehicle, and its all much more expensive. The tires must be replaced 2x a year. The battery hasn't needed replacing yet but when it does, it will cost a fortune. Third, the risk of fire is really scary - once they start burning, it's really hard to put them out. For me, I'm counting the months until I can trade it in on a gas vehicle.

Would love to see statistics on how many EV buyers are repeat EV buyers. EVs have been on the market long enough to have those statistics available.

It’s about 95% of EV owners will buy another EV. 1% say they will return to a ICE power car. Interesting the younger people who have learned to drive on a EV will never go back. The cost to charge an EV in Washington DC the equivalent of 350 miles or a full tank of gas is $14-$15.

It is just a superior product. The Chinese by next year will have EVs with 800-1000 miles between charges. They have doubled the energy density and cut the cost of the battery by 40%. So you can get a car(priced in the $20-$30k equivalent to the top Tesla or Porsche Marcan) with 800-1000 miles or the same car with 1/2 the battery size with 20% more range and a lower price. The Chinese seem more concerned with quick charging times(under 5 minutes) vs longer range. I think in the US with home chargers and outdated electrical grid people will focus on range.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an EV and I would never buy one again. First, it has sent our electric bill through the roof - with electricity going up all the time, I'm not sure it's that much less than gasoline! Second, the car needs a lot more maintenance than a regular gas vehicle, and its all much more expensive. The tires must be replaced 2x a year. The battery hasn't needed replacing yet but when it does, it will cost a fortune. Third, the risk of fire is really scary - once they start burning, it's really hard to put them out. For me, I'm counting the months until I can trade it in on a gas vehicle.

lol everything you have posted is a lie.