NYT on How Biden Lost the Election due to Immigration Policy

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Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

By traditional measures if not contemporary ones, I have always been a liberal Democrat. But I have come to recognize that unchecked, unmanaged immigration, both legal and illegal, has had a terrible effect on our society. A little immigration is healthy, interesting, and economically useful, especially when immigrants are thoroughly vetted to ensure that they will quickly assimilate and contribute. A lot of immigration, especially when it comes from countries that do not share our western traditions and values, simply dilutes and overwhelms a culture.

I now recognize that I was badly mistaken on the issue of immigration. Democrats need to hold themselves similarly accountable for these errors.

Mighty quick of you. It only took a second Trump presidency with millions of people's lives and rights on the line for you to care to figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats have learned their lesson and have shut their traps about immigration. They’re focusing on affordability.

They tried that one last time. Biden didn't run on the border, but there he was issuing more EO's about the border than anything else, they tried to get amnesty numerous times, and they tried to give H-1B's green cards numerous times amongst many other things.

I'm afraid ignoring it and hoping it will go away won't work this time.

We're going to need to see concrete actions. Rolling back sanctuary city laws, cooperation with federal agents (ICE) etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Articles like this fill me with even more contempt for the Democratic Party and stupid rags like the New York Times.

Throughout the election, the New York Times gaslighted voters and ran near-daily articles characterizing concerns about Biden's immigration policy as overblown and everything from Russian disinformation to uninformed MAGA talking points. They had all sorts of dubious graphics and charts showing the immigration problem was not that bad or was not Biden's fault. Meanwhile, people were seeing with their own eyeballs in major cities just how bad things were getting and were told their eyes were lying to them.

Now, they and the Democratic machine confess that they knew the whole time that Biden's immigration policies worsened the problem, but they did nothing but lie to and name call voters. Screw these people.

Is this a joke? Look at the link on page 1. They lambasted Hillary, but not Trump. They’ve never known how to report on Trump, to the Dems detriment for TEN YEARS.

How is what you wrote a response to what I wrote?

Because you’re talking about feelings, not facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Articles like this fill me with even more contempt for the Democratic Party and stupid rags like the New York Times.

Throughout the election, the New York Times gaslighted voters and ran near-daily articles characterizing concerns about Biden's immigration policy as overblown and everything from Russian disinformation to uninformed MAGA talking points. They had all sorts of dubious graphics and charts showing the immigration problem was not that bad or was not Biden's fault. Meanwhile, people were seeing with their own eyeballs in major cities just how bad things were getting and were told their eyes were lying to them.

Now, they and the Democratic machine confess that they knew the whole time that Biden's immigration policies worsened the problem, but they did nothing but lie to and name call voters. Screw these people.

Is this a joke? Look at the link on page 1. They lambasted Hillary, but not Trump. They’ve never known how to report on Trump, to the Dems detriment for TEN YEARS.

How is what you wrote a response to what I wrote?

Because you’re talking about feelings, not facts.

Um. OK? Well, back to the thread then.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. How rich, coming from MAGA NYT. That's a historical retelling.

Also, is there any reason this shoddy paper won't focus on the tyrant with dementia who is bankrupting America for his personal gain? Seriously, I'd line the cat box with this garbage, if I had either a subscription or a cat.

https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-inconsistent-narrative-selection-and-framing-that-tends-to-favor-republicans/

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why are they writing about ANYONE besides the fascist madman-in-chief????????????

Presumably any mainstream media sources do cover the awful deeds of the fascist madman and that's what I've observed. Otherwise, looking back to identify reasons a team, person, or entity lost in competition is the most logical thing to do in order to be more prepared in the future.

Looking back is pure folly, theatrics. The only way to look is forward. Nothing will ever be the same in our lifetimes and the NYT, if it was serious about reporting for the masses and not the party of one, would understand this. This should be evident to any thinking person…

Agreed

And yet not a single democrat has changed and advocated for less immigration

Not a single One

Hundreds of thousands of layoffs and the party of labor keeps pushing for more h1bs. Some democrats want to expand h1bs

Why do people lie with impunity. Look at Gallego.

Also, 59% of Dems wanted a tighter border in the middle of the Biden presidency. Many Dems wanted easier pathways, and now Trump and Vance are snatching immigrants at their hearings! So, clearly MAGA was lying about what they wanted: no immigrants, unless they’re white or billionaires.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/09/08/republicans-and-democrats-have-different-top-priorities-for-u-s-immigration-policy/

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What BS! ABOLISH ICE!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Two months into his term, Mr. Biden assigned Vice President Kamala Harris with reducing illegal migration, especially from Central America, by working on the “root causes” of that migration.

What did she do? anyone?

Biden was president. Harris was not. Biden was the Chief Executive who signed off on executive orders that reversed many of the band-aid immigration/southern border orders that were in place to stem the flow of new arrivals. Harris was not. Harris never had the power to do anything substantive. Misplaced blame.

But Biden was unable to do anything to slow illegal border crossing because only Congress has the power to pass an immigration bill.

His hands were tied.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have learned their lesson and have shut their traps about immigration. They’re focusing on affordability.

They tried that one last time. Biden didn't run on the border, but there he was issuing more EO's about the border than anything else, they tried to get amnesty numerous times, and they tried to give H-1B's green cards numerous times amongst many other things.

I'm afraid ignoring it and hoping it will go away won't work this time.

We're going to need to see concrete actions. Rolling back sanctuary city laws, cooperation with federal agents (ICE) etc.

+1 And which Democrats have strongly criticized what happened at the border?

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There were multiple phases of his border reactions. The first portion a massive failure. Some efforts were fantastic at the end.

The Harris job as border czar or whatever.. at the beginning.. was worth nothing. She is not necessarily to blame. He is more, she is partly. Overall, again, that portion was a failure. They didn’t do much of anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Anger over illegal migration helped return Mr. Trump to the presidency, and he has enacted even more aggressive policies than those Mr. Biden first campaigned against.

But a New York Times examination of Mr. Biden’s record found that he and his closest advisers repeatedly rebuffed recommendations that could have addressed the border crisis faster, and eased what became a potent issue for Mr. Trump as he sought to return to the White House and justify the aggressive tactics roiling American cities today.

Former Biden administration officials told The Times that Mr. Biden and his circle of close confidants — including Ron Klain, who was chief of staff during the president’s first two years, Mike Donilon, Jennifer O’Malley Dillon and Anita Dunn — made two crucial errors.

First, they underestimated the scale of migration that was coming. Second, they failed to appreciate the political reaction to that migration — believing that stronger enforcement would alienate Latino and progressive voters, and also that a border surge would not be an important issue to most voters. Those calculations would later prove to be mistaken, with many voters, including Latinos, citing immigration as a reason for supporting Mr. Trump in 2024.

This is the crux of the issue. They cared more about re-election, party power, than what is right by the American people.

Two wrongs still don't make a right. All of the political momentum Biden gifted the GOP has quickly been pissed away by Trump's careless immigration crackdown.

disagree

many many swing voters are happy with the immigration crackdown.

mayorkas and Biden screwed the US voters. now we have Trump and his chaos.

Lol... and this explains why Trump, in the first year of his second term, is already as unpopular as Biden was in 2024. Think before posting such nonsense.

Trump can’t run again, so his popularity doesn’t matter. And congress popularity has been in the toilet for decades.

So you think the GOP will be able to pivot away from Trump in time to have a chance in the 2028 election? I will believe that when I see it. Based on what we experienced in the 2020 and 2024 elections, it's very, very difficult for the incumbent party to separate themselves from their very unpopular sitting POTUS in time to win an election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump actually secured the border during his first term and Biden really screwed up by reversing action. Now, the courts did play a role, but the numbers don’t lie: the border was wide open and people flooded in…and voters not only noticed, but felt it in communities across the country.

I still can’t understand why Dems didn’t read the room and come up with a plan, or at the very least messaging. It’s like they decided to go all in to cater to a subset of voters without checking what they really wanted.

And now we are dealing with a big overreaction by voters and ultimately Trump.

FTR, I’m a Dem whose day job includes left-leaning advocacy (including immigration). Nobody should be surprised by any of this. Sure, the Admin’s efforts to destroy our democracy and the rule of law are shocking, but everything related to immigration could have been anticipated and handled better.

Fast forward to today: the issues have escalated to a new level with the Somalian fraud and the Admin’s response. I think this will shift the conversation to assimilation and self-sufficiency. Voters are watching, and while they don’t like seeing hardworking people tossed out of the country, they absolutely aren’t interested in tolerating fraud (or crime).

No clue why Dems can’t read the room and respond accordingly.

It’s a religion to them. Honestly, they are wannabe saviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL. How rich, coming from MAGA NYT. That's a historical retelling.

Also, is there any reason this shoddy paper won't focus on the tyrant with dementia who is bankrupting America for his personal gain? Seriously, I'd line the cat box with this garbage, if I had either a subscription or a cat.

https://css.seas.upenn.edu/new-york-times-a-case-study-in-inconsistent-narrative-selection-and-framing-that-tends-to-favor-republicans/

+1

why are they writing about ANYONE besides the fascist madman-in-chief????????????

Presumably any mainstream media sources do cover the awful deeds of the fascist madman and that's what I've observed. Otherwise, looking back to identify reasons a team, person, or entity lost in competition is the most logical thing to do in order to be more prepared in the future.

Looking back is pure folly, theatrics. The only way to look is forward. Nothing will ever be the same in our lifetimes and the NYT, if it was serious about reporting for the masses and not the party of one, would understand this. This should be evident to any thinking person…

You can’t move forward without examining the past. Otherwise you’ll repeat the mistakes. But it takes a certain level of mature observation and a willingness to swallow pride to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

By traditional measures if not contemporary ones, I have always been a liberal Democrat. But I have come to recognize that unchecked, unmanaged immigration, both legal and illegal, has had a terrible effect on our society. A little immigration is healthy, interesting, and economically useful, especially when immigrants are thoroughly vetted to ensure that they will quickly assimilate and contribute. A lot of immigration, especially when it comes from countries that do not share our western traditions and values, simply dilutes and overwhelms a culture.

I now recognize that I was badly mistaken on the issue of immigration. Democrats need to hold themselves similarly accountable for these errors.

It may be too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It really is baffling why the Biden Administration thought allowing the equivalent of the entire population of Haiti or Tunisia or Jordan just wander across the border unvetted and overwhelm all local services - from schools to housing to policing and so on- and not expect some political repercussions.

It is remarkable how out of touch Democrats are with the country.

The administration had the media in its pocket and really thought it could propagandize the American people into disbelieving their own eyes.

+1 Too many wealthy Democrats weren't significantly impacted by lax immigration policies and viewed those affected as ignorant, racist deplorables when they complained.

By traditional measures if not contemporary ones, I have always been a liberal Democrat. But I have come to recognize that unchecked, unmanaged immigration, both legal and illegal, has had a terrible effect on our society. A little immigration is healthy, interesting, and economically useful, especially when immigrants are thoroughly vetted to ensure that they will quickly assimilate and contribute. A lot of immigration, especially when it comes from countries that do not share our western traditions and values, simply dilutes and overwhelms a culture.

I now recognize that I was badly mistaken on the issue of immigration. Democrats need to hold themselves similarly accountable for these errors.

It may be too late.

Lol... Biden and his immigration policies are giggidy gigging gizzzone. Clean slate for Dems to work with. How's getting rid of the Trump stain going for the GOP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anger over illegal migration helped return Mr. Trump to the presidency, and he has enacted even more aggressive policies than those Mr. Biden first campaigned against.

But a New York Times examination of Mr. Biden’s record found that he and his closest advisers repeatedly rebuffed recommendations that could have addressed the border crisis faster, and eased what became a potent issue for Mr. Trump as he sought to return to the White House and justify the aggressive tactics roiling American cities today.

Former Biden administration officials told The Times that Mr. Biden and his circle of close confidants — including Ron Klain, who was chief of staff during the president’s first two years, Mike Donilon, Jennifer O’Malley Dillon and Anita Dunn — made two crucial errors.

First, they underestimated the scale of migration that was coming. Second, they failed to appreciate the political reaction to that migration — believing that stronger enforcement would alienate Latino and progressive voters, and also that a border surge would not be an important issue to most voters. Those calculations would later prove to be mistaken, with many voters, including Latinos, citing immigration as a reason for supporting Mr. Trump in 2024.

This is the crux of the issue. They cared more about re-election, party power, than what is right by the American people.

Two wrongs still don't make a right. All of the political momentum Biden gifted the GOP has quickly been pissed away by Trump's careless immigration crackdown.

disagree

many many swing voters are happy with the immigration crackdown.

mayorkas and Biden screwed the US voters. now we have Trump and his chaos.

Lol... and this explains why Trump, in the first year of his second term, is already as unpopular as Biden was in 2024. Think before posting such nonsense.

Trump can’t run again, so his popularity doesn’t matter. And congress popularity has been in the toilet for decades.

So you think the GOP will be able to pivot away from Trump in time to have a chance in the 2028 election? I will believe that when I see it. Based on what we experienced in the 2020 and 2024 elections, it's very, very difficult for the incumbent party to separate themselves from their very unpopular sitting POTUS in time to win an election.

We are operating on a new paradigm. Old customs and patterns are not reliable predictors.